On June 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:24 pm to 1:41 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 444-019 of the White House Tapes.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Hello?
Did you get a little memo from Rose?
I thought that was a line you probably already thought of yourself.
If I were my old investigator, that would be the way I'd go at it.
Yeah.
Right down the line.
You see, well, the point is, he was my counsel.
Take, for example, all the matters of whether he did or did not, whether he was a breakdown, if you recall, to me, to a lot of artists, to therapy or something like that.
Well, and that's what somebody, somebody in my department can do.
He is my counsel.
He's in contact with me.
I don't talk to people.
I sell his head.
I read his accounts.
And all the way down the line, I think the fact that he didn't report these things to the president.
He said, well, I reported them.
But the point is, Ernie wasn't in contact with Peterson either.
Except in one occasion, my point is, me, the only contact that I ever had was every few days with Peterson.
Huh?
Huh?
And with Graham.
And I put that in.
He said, did you report it to Graham?
Did you report it to Peterson?
You see?
And I just nailed right to the cross on that.
Yes, that's true.
You see, the point Craig says, his defense will be blinded by the presence of the world around him.
But, he has no defense with regard to grandkids.
He was talking to them regularly.
You see?
So I'd ask, how many times do you see, Greg?
How many times do you see?
He has to check his files on that.
That'll scare the hell out of him.
Huh?
Yeah.
And incidentally, if you have any way to get the number of times, you should have the number of times.
I get that.
Okay?
If the law is in that period of time, I imagine it's a scourge.
So, yeah.
Alright, I would get that.
Rick Dawson called me.
I don't know whether his calls me for a walk or any of mine.
But the grades I was out of here with, and Peterson's for a walk, for sure.
I just said, alright, if you talk to him 60 times, give me the opportunity to report that.
You know?
That's the way I could do it.
Basically, it gets him away in the back of the line.
He's just a little boy with a computer.
I also told her
Now, what is needed to deal with the fact that Frankie will leave is a very church-free room that I understand.
And that, in this case, would be striking.
I would say that here is a man that has been given the incentive to lie and untruth.
What I'm getting at is
I think that's what I had to say.
We have to have a Christian denial without waiting for any specificity.
Without saying, well, I didn't sing on the 14th, or I didn't sing on the 13th, or I didn't call on the 13th, or I didn't say that.
You get there at your death point.
Just a Christian general denial is the only way to handle it.
You agree?
No.
But that should be prepared in advance for you.
You should be working on it right now.
Regardless of what comes up, it'll whack
And then bring that up there.
And then back here.
And then back here.
And then back here.
It's not a special predicted problem at this point.
I don't know.
I wondered perhaps if I might have looked at, for example, right here in the middle of Spain, but for God's sake, no.
That probably is it.
For some reason, it was a pretty good indication of the fact that I didn't know what the hell was going on there.
There's no activity, for example, that he might try to hit us on this, whether or not the skull pump is made on this bit.
What's the other show on that?
Oh, long before.
Oh, oh, oh, you mean Hunt's demand, or Beckman's demand for Hunter to take place in January.
But Dean gave me the impression he just heard it.
The impression he had that day, when he first arrived, Dean had some talk about Mechel and Atlas working together.
I don't know what the hell it was about when he asked me that, sir.
In other words, I don't know why in the world would he be raising money in the market.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't believe there was anything about the bird in the market.
The reason that he and his, uh, Chuck McPherson deal with the attorney last week, tried to say from January on, and, and you don't see me in the program.
I'm asking, uh, I haven't asked my dictionary to recollect it.
I could have asked it on my phone, you know, explore it and see what the world would have known.
It's not that, you know, I've not been able to find it.
I'm confident I didn't, you know.
But, uh, well, it doesn't make a difference whether that was a good idea or not.
I don't know.
and anyhow you'll be ready for that first mark what you need to know there
You understand, all I have are the fragmentary notes.
They're not bad.
They're just different.
I've got more than I realize.
But it's like my thing.
I'll be glad to go.
You've got to wait.
You've got to wait.
I know.
And every question you can think of, be sure that you have run out of stickers and all the others.
I have raised a number of questions, you know, and I'm curious to find out if this is all or not.
This is coming to play here.
Let me just summarize it for you.
Off the 23rd of March, we came to talk about the cancer of the heart of the heart.
And throughout the conversation,
Dean never talked about his own problems.
He said, well, maybe I got a problem.
He'd say that, but he can't say what was.
He was already talking about what a girl's got a problem, what a boy's got a problem, what a girl's got a problem.
But he never talked about specifically what he was talking about.
Do you get my point?
Which is also what tells us something.
What about this?
What about that?
If you tell her, for example, that Lydia on June 19th told you everything that she has told the prostitute, did you not receive it?
You didn't tell me anything about it.
I didn't even know you talked to Lydia on June 19th.
What's that like?
Right?
June 19th, you see her say that Lydia told her everything on June 19th.
He has also said that he told that to her.
It later comes out that he told her.
He told her to him this year, not last year.
But he sure did tell me.
And Lily told him.
I don't know what Lily told him.
My guess is Lily did tell him.
You think Dean knew about it all this time?
Why would he tell somebody that?
Well that's alright, I don't... Yeah.
Yeah, but my point is that was action security and that's the line.
I don't blame Dean for that one bit.
Or our girls, our young, our girls.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
What's the average show on that?
Oh.
Oh, long before.
Oh, oh, oh.
You mean Hunt's demand, or Beckman's demand for $125,000 to take place?
You mean Hunt's demand, or Beckman's demand for $125,000 to take place?
I can't hear it.
But Dean gave me the impression he did.
I can't hear it.
But Dean gave me the impression he did hear it.
The impression he had that day, like, Thursday, Dean had some talk about it.
In other words, I don't know why in the world would he be raising money on our actual campus working together.
I don't know the reason that he and his, uh, what the hell is about looking back, because it's not a deal with him.
But if I was trying to say, how the hell January on,
In other words, I don't know why in the world, and you don't see me in the program.
What do you think?
Are you raising money?
I'm asking you.
I'm going to ask if I can kind of recollect it.
I could have said it on the phone.
in the world and have no much confidence in myself.
It's not because I'm starving.
It's my whole idea.
I need to sleep.
I need to do it.
I am confident I can do it, you know.
But, well, it doesn't make a difference if you think about the burden on which everything comes down to.
It's not that I need to do anything.
I don't care about anything.
And anyway, the reason that he and his shotgun company, and I've got here, you'll get a deal, right?
And then Thursday, March 30th, last week, trying to say from January on.
And do you have an email or something?
What do you do?
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
But, uh, well, it doesn't make a difference whether that was indicated or not.
But, uh, any, uh, if you haven't made it enough, uh, your advice is, uh, you'll be ready for that Thursday morning.
Yep.
But you need to know there, uh,
You understand, all I have are the fragmentary notes.
They're not bad.
They're just a secret.
I've only got more than I realize.
But, you've got to feel it.
That's my thing.
I already told a lot.
So, I'll be glad if you'll feel it, too.
You've got to feel it.
You've got to feel it.
I know.
And every question you can think of, be sure that you have run out of stickers and all the others.
I have raised a hundred questions.
Let me just summarize.
We're off the 23rd of March, and we came in front of a cancer party.
And you're out of time today.
Dean never talked about his own problems.
He said, Rob, maybe I got a problem.
He didn't say that.
But he kind of said, well, what?
He was already talking about what Bernie's got a problem, what Paul's got a problem, what Earl's got a problem.
But he never talked about specifically what he's got a problem.
Do you know what?
Which is also what must tell us something.
What about this?
What about that?
I think you'll tell her, for example, that you understand all I have are the fragmentary notes.
They're not bad.
They're just different.
Lydia, I got more than you.
It's not even real.
I can't tell you everything.
But she is totally trusted.
So I feel like I might have been already told a lot.
So I'll be glad if we'll get to see you.
You didn't tell me anything about it.
I mean, you don't even come to Lydia.
You've got clarity.
You've got clarity.
All right.
If you have any questions, you can ask me at the meeting.
Just to be sure that you have talked about this, and all the others.
I am afraid that they have other questions.
So remember, June 19th.
June 19th.
June 19th.
And he has also said that this fall, I was told that her mom didn't come.
Let me guess.
I don't think you told her anything like this.
All right.
We're off to 2030.
We're doing this.
We came in about this year.
We came through probably last year.
But if you're out, I'm sure this is going to be.
Dean never talked to me about it.
He said, Rob, maybe I don't remember.
I got a problem.
He didn't say that.
He was already talking to me about it.
But he never talked about it.
He knew about it.
that you've gone through, given all this time, which is also why we tell somebody else about this, because they don't know about that.
Think about, for example, when Lydia, June 19, told you everything that she has told the president about that.
Yeah, right.
June 19th, you see, is the living, I might tell you that was National Security, and that's the line.
I don't know the number, June 19th.
I mean, for that long, the ADS also said that, or, or, or, or, or.
It later came out that he told her everything, like he told her part of it.
That's what I mean.
They shot Peter last year.
But he sure did tell me.
They told him I heard things.
I guess that's what he did.
Okay.
Thank you.
Well, that's all right.
Yeah, but my point is that was National Security, and that's the line.
I don't blame them for that one bit.
Or, or, or, or.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.