{"conversationCode":"445-003","tapeNumber":445,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-445-003","startDateTime":"1973-06-13T15:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-13T15:36:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jun-1973","startTime":"11:33 AM","endDate":"13-Jun-1973","endTime":"11:36 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:33 am to 11:36 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 445-003 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 445-3\n\nDate: June 13, 1973\nTime: 11:33 am - 11:36 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 40-66]","filename":["445-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"445-002","nextCode":"445-004","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":8.32,"text":"Pain, love, and the void that was within Henry's accomplishment."},{"start":8.34,"end":8.76,"text":"Oh, I would think so."},{"start":13.15,"end":13.97,"text":"We shouldn't have to lose another battle."},{"start":30.57,"end":48.57,"text":"Well, they should, because we can't have it in a place like this, where everybody always says, like, you know, something's big."},{"start":48.88,"end":69.14,"text":"."},{"start":69.16,"end":69.18,"text":"."},{"start":69.2,"end":69.22,"text":"."},{"start":69.24,"end":69.26,"text":"."},{"start":69.28,"end":69.3,"text":"."},{"start":69.32,"end":69.34,"text":"."},{"start":81.44,"end":92.39,"text":"If you don't, you better act overrated, right?"},{"start":92.41,"end":93.67,"text":"Do you copy?"},{"start":94.46,"end":94.56,"text":"Yeah?"},{"start":94.58,"end":98.96,"text":"Well, we don't tell them that because of the technical markets and so forth and so on."},{"start":98.98,"end":100.17,"text":"The text will be delivered to them at 7 o'clock."},{"start":100.19,"end":105.55,"text":"Tell the leaders that, but don't give the leaders or the captains the text because otherwise they'll hang over and want to make changes to figure that out."},{"start":106.85,"end":115.33,"text":"Yeah, be sure that that gets to everybody."},{"start":115.35,"end":126.29,"text":"The leaders on the cabins did get no text."},{"start":126.31,"end":127.19,"text":"The text will be available at 7 o'clock."},{"start":127.21,"end":127.49,"text":"How's that?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler coordinate the dissemination strategy for an upcoming policy text to ensure legislative leaders and their staff receive it simultaneously at 7:00 p.m. Nixon explicitly instructs Ziegler to withhold the document from congressional leaders and staff beforehand to prevent unauthorized revisions or delays. This measure aims to maintain executive control over the messaging and prevent legislative interference with the final text.","topics":["Legislative Strategy","Executive Communication","Policy Dissemination","Ronald Ziegler","Political Messaging"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:37:30.625Z"},"topicSlugs":["legislative-strategy","executive-communication","policy-dissemination","ronald-ziegler","political-messaging"],"audioDurationSec":127,"audioFiles":[{"file":"445-003.mp3","bytes":5104118,"durationSec":127.46,"bitrate":320359,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/445-003.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/445-003","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/445/conversation-445-003","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}