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I think so.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

I mean, I can't tell you what we're going to do.

We're going to see that one, you know, that powerful agreement of the end shapes the world.

God, I mean, I need to move forward.

Right now, I can't talk to everybody.

But, you know, that's the way it is.

I didn't take it into consideration, even though our cross-examination may be quite successful, that it means a major statement.

It may last as much as a day.

It may be as long as a day when only the statement is given and they begin the cross-examination the next day.

We may wind up with one day as very bad news.

We may wind up with the first day as very bad news.

I don't have that delivered by hand.

But we've got to expect, and I expect several of our amongst them.

If I can get somebody to come and get stuff for me.

the situation they're in, put it in a time frame, you know, analyze it and start making changes.

The president's counsel worked with Gray, worked with Peterson, you know, this sort of thing.

And here he is trying to focus the discussion on the late spring of 73, something that went on all through the earlier period.

You know, if we can get some of this done, I don't want to need your help a little bit.

So we'll try, but I don't know how well.

Let me say this, take the lumps.

We're strong enough now that we can take them.

We'll take the lumps, but we'll manage them as much as possible.

I don't think we'll be successful.

I don't think we'll want to get in a position where the tractor is panicked, trying to take the stuff.

That would mean they could use it again.

That would mean that the trial wouldn't go through.

Apparently so.

Sure, well, same thing.

Huh?

You know, it would be a nice, it would be nice to testify in his own defense, I don't know.

Or that would be a decision to wait after the...

But he wouldn't testify over the grand jury, would he?

Why didn't the cops give him a transactional identity?

I think cops can only conclude that Dean doesn't have the case.

As I told you last time, I thought he had the case.

In other words, that Dean had more than Dean.

More than Dean.

He had as much as he implied.

Yeah.

He had documents.

He had his documents.

He had documents.

But it was a Q1 file.

Maybe Urban thinks he has documents involved.

Oh, maybe.

He has a couple of documents, and Dash would play, really look at them.

I like what he says about him, direction.

I don't really know what he's saying.

I don't know unless you've got some of the tapes that John made or John Ehrlichman made talking to Dean.

Yeah, I know John takes all the time, but how would Dean do?

That's what Dean probably was unaware of in fact earlier when he was investigating.

I reached a conclusion about what Dean...

I think, up through, up until the time I went to California.

See, I took him off the case when he didn't give the report.

And I gave him, I'm not clear.

That's the date of my letter to Earthman.

Okay.

I think when Dane heard that, he penned it.

I read it.

And he, because he hates Earthman, and thought, well, God damn Earthman, he's going to sack me.

Something in my memory tells me that he once said to someone, he said, I might lie to other people, but I'll never lie to that God damn Earthman.

I know he stated publicly at one time he said he had something on his mustache.

That was early.

And he said Hardeman was a fine man.

Hard working kind of thing.

But that early on was something else again.

That was the American glory in his personality.

My view is that

I'm just curious to me, the moment we put Erwin on that case, did Dean then probably, that's a guy that came in and did a little work for you?

He may have.

He may have in that case.

We'll go to your website.

That means, if I may run through quickly what I'm trying to do.

I have put down day by day all of your meetings with Dean, all of his decisions.

who was present at the time.

He had significant events that led to it.

Then I've got some notes.

I've got some pure conversation.

I've asked Bob for as much detailed recollection as he can give me on these.

I haven't gotten anything from getting into the assassination.

He's going to go back and check all this stuff.

And he will give me the greater notes that he's got down here, recollection.

And a couple from John Irving.

The first time you met was Dean.

I'll give you what I have out of my notes and also my recollections from any conversations with Bob.

You had a meeting with John Ernst, a meeting with Fox, a meeting with Dean.

I did.

Yes.

Oh my.

I'm not surprised.

I'm under the impression that John called me to come over.

Yeah.

Well, I remember telling somebody around, well, you and, in this time, we were terribly busy.

I want one person on, and I want you guys to attend to your business.

I said, John Dean is the man.

They brought him in.

That's the way it happened.

I was like, all right, here you go.

Um, that's, they always wanted to bring him in.

They said he was a hell of a guy.

He said, that's what I'm talking about.

It's just, it's just all about the cocaine.

I gather this is the first meeting.

We have over 27, which is pretty much an initial meeting.

We're really getting to know each other.

Um, um,

Is this guy on A7?

Yes.

12-4, that's Cline East.

Later, he's been here on the 22nd.

Cline East.

The minority council thing.

I had shaken Cline East up, and I remember this, and I told him, I shook Cline East up and tell him, you know,

I didn't get that with Dean or all of our others, but you know, that was floating around in the air at that time.

and try to think of things that he might crawl into.

Was Ken Keating discussed as a possible party council member at that time?

Who?

Kennedy's team.

At some point, he was...

I didn't discuss him.

I don't even think I ever thought of him as Pat Brown.

I said, why didn't you get Pat Brown?

He's the president, or governor, of the Department of Attorney General of this state.

I had a letter.

However, some reference to a very strange reference.

I don't think I should read through on all my notes.

If you go down the wrong track, I should check.

Now, however, I don't know whether that was a reference to, if that's what struck my mind, I'm trying to think.

I think that...

There it was.

I tried to think of things that should have triggered me to edit.

I said, fine.

I mean, I don't want this.

Just tell me what I need to know about this damn thing.

Talked about exactly the same.

We don't want to show them all.

Talked about the yes case.

Talked about the leaks.

I mean, some of the intelligence work, brand, craft, et cetera, you know.

She was wearing it.

Talk about who's leaking from the FBI.

I defended the button and said, hell, we've done it first.

Talk about Sullivan.

I mentioned the fact he took the records off.

He did his memo, I think, at the end of the day.

So, yeah, he looked at it pretty good, actually.

I was surprised by the records a lot.

I listened to it and put this back in.

I talked about Sullivan taking the records when he left.

Bless his soul.

He's a valuable man.

Can't let those go.

We're in trouble.

You know so much.

I never met God.

I mentioned the past.

See, we were getting into all the various things that might come up.

And we opened up, basically, the other craft.

So I mean on them, what they were doing.

We talked about the Yeoman case in certain areas.

And Dean was a mayor of that.

And Dean was on that?

Yes, sir.

And Dean's advice broke.

We should draw the line on Britain and Russia first.

That was the main direction first.

Don't you only bother her with all the things that they need to know.

All right.

That incidentally is the most interesting of the conversations I've had with them.

Because that's all there was.

But the thrust was mainly executive privilege, clientese, the urban committees, et cetera.

And getting into the fact of what about these other activities that had to do with the money.

Got it?

Yes.

That's all?

That's all.

Alright.

Next.

We met with him on the 28th.

Yup.

And, just before I'm free, he'll give me the gray hearing system.

That's the thing that attracts.

Um, I know the children before him, he didn't bring up the hearing system.

They have to get something out before they start it.

The question is whether they're exactly safe.

Well,

Right, go ahead.

Well, there was the first time that you said the White House was not involved.

Talked a little bit about the testimony.

Great, great, all right.

My daughter's been reading all the socials.

They've been judging.

to be a light in their eyes, not because of what he did, but because he was such a tough politician.

He made the point, which is what we're discussing, because the president is going to hide anything.

That theme must fall through here, being said, because I kept bringing it up.

Then he went in for bugging.

Johnson believed Bobby bugged him.

68 bugging, so to speak.

You know, all that story of the FBI had done and hadn't done.

He was quite, and apparently he was very close to Sullivan.

Let me get up and take a game story.

Talk about the sentence of this very nice wife of mine.

Where you from?

And then about the judges, that's when I left the world.

We had a long talk about who ought to be judges.

It's either here or up here.

I don't remember what we were talking about here, but we were talking about it on the field.

Oh, one little note about Clemson.

All right.

My question, how are they doing with Clemson?

Excuse me.

I said we could go flat.

Yeah, I know.

That's all the way through here, right?

There are only a couple other countries that came up.

You might have to, you know, you might have to...

I mentioned to him at 30 a.m. that I had told Baker to run the area line.

Of course, no hearsay.

That's what Baker said.

Of course, I did that the way I had to.

Actually, I love John.

He's impressive.

He told the truth.

He's the kind of guy that would never...

I thought you guys were nuts.

He had a purpose.

It might be accurate.

Well, look.

So that was with the gray fiction story and the green fiction story.

I mean, you can't make available records in every sense.

That's a good one.

Now I have to...

I had some problems talking about gray.

I'm glad you can.

As I told you, we talked a little bit about Dan Shore, and we've got his budget.

I'm not sure what the budget is, but I've said it before.

Dependent on what the president's planning, it's about $60 million.

The question is, as I read, what was the real problem with the boat and all the rest of it?

If we open that box, the girl can't survive.

That was my good choice.

I said, Gus can't do it.

Ah.

I asked him, I said, well, you've got to have an answer.

And he said, I have an answer.

I said, well, it was just because I was conducting an investigation.

Got that?

Gray was proud of his investigation.

With about three.

Also, the executive privilege statement.

Trying to get something from solar.

Preparing weapons as well.

Yeah.

Well, I suggested we ought to ask Gray about 68.

Great.

We've got a discussion about gradients here.

Good afternoon, sir.

Do you have any questions?

Or would I approach the grade again to everybody who's going to like it, just in case they're not really excited?

That was the day he told me that he's never going to lower anything.

He probably got him out of gray.

Maybe I should have put Wilson in the job.

about something like a civil case or something like that.

I'm sorry.

We're just wondering what the answer is on the press release.

I don't know.

I'm very, very pleased.

Because a lot of children are trying to lay show him doing that.

Henry was in there for 10 minutes in advance of the NSC.

Oh, and Chapin, Chapin, he was defending Chapin.

He never hired anyone to run a center for corporations.

And Patrick Gray had closed the store.

I, you know, I didn't like that.

I hear it now.

I'm going to start talking about it.

I'm going to try to develop some questions for you.

And I was one, just preparing for the press conference.

I also wanted to be a consultant, you know, and had it in the box, you know, because, you know, we had it in the box.

I asked him about the, some kid who was supposed to have been paid by the police.

What about the attacks on Nixon?

security on the 13th of May, okay?

But you said there would be more water in the cranes this year.

So I wonder if we're going to provide one.

Okay.

It's okay.

Now, for example, you know, I had a person, but I said they called one of the fellas in front of their house.

I don't know.

I came back again.

Why?

Why don't we have a little?

They won't believe the truth.

Sullivan off-riders from now on will still have to run.

Sullivan, you said you were going to be home.

I again came back to the point of how bad it was for the country to pick on the FBI.

That was my plan.

I had to thank God he did it.

Now I suggested this.

Here's where I got to this.

Dean ought to respond by language under oath.

I picked this up again in the interview.

And that's when I first read it.

Got a little talk about Greg Wilson.

for the mistake in San Diego.

I raised that question with everybody in the staff, and everybody else, and I lied to them, and I thought, gee, what a trip.

And being tattooed, I would have been questioned greatly if you hadn't taken any drugs, you know.

To me, that sounded perfectly confident, but you know, I'm trying to look like there was something to cover up, and say we're fine, and maybe we hadn't done that at the job, and we had a second chance.

Then he came on the 13th the next day for the first time to get some analysis and pre-test.

That's when I should have triggered myself.

I didn't, but I should have.

I went back because he said, as long as we've been scared.

Come back to the center, come back to the front, say where it's at.

He was my former personal attorney.

I mean, my firm in New York, that's my all-time personal attorney.

The President has his former law firm, his state work.

The California things are handled by Dr.

Sperm.

The tax has to be prepared out there.

I put it all in the yard.

I want to, but I don't want to send combat now.

No, you don't want to do it now.

It would be unfair to combat.

No, combat takes me to them.

Yeah.

They'll criticize another attorney.

Some of that happens.

It does nothing wrong to them.

It absolutely does nothing wrong to them.

But it isn't good enough.

But it isn't just good enough.

But how about it?

I think I should do the New York experiment.

Yes.

I'm sure they have a lawyer here.

I don't want to go to the White House.

So I got it out of here.

I think he knew our firm.

Well, it's a great firm.

You know, they're an expert.

But if they do their work precisely, we won't have a collection break, you know what I'm saying?

We find about all the records.

And the whole thing was cleared up completely.

But the process,

He came very close to having some very nasty stories.

It wasn't handled easily.

They didn't wrap it all up.

They let the papers lie around.

It's just not the kind of thing you can afford.

Yeah, well, I know I heard him get dizzy after that.

No.

When the group came up.

And he said he'd be a good witness because he'd been around the track.

See?

Yes.

Now, I suppose I should have been triggered on that.

Wait, what?

You know, I can assume that the hell he was on the track.

He wasn't on that.

He had testified before.

Huh?

He had testified before.

Well, I'm very glad, but my point is that Dean could say that he had told me that McGruber, he had implied that McGruber had falsified, and he had told me to turn around.

I'm going to see what I can get.

Does it have that in mind?

I didn't know what he'd done.

He never did admit it.

One of the rough sentences when I said that I liked him, I had a very deep thing.

Remember that I told him that Jerry was a handy judge and I said that I liked handy judges.

A little on the air for me.

For whatever reason, he asked me to call him.

He said, what are you calling him from?

Jacob.

And he said, strong possibly did.

Possibly.

I remember I was shocked.

I said, it's John.

I said, well, I'll be Dan.

That I put in my book.

Bob's brother was John.

Colson was John.

I raised him.

Colson had no specific knowledge.

Although he was able to do it all.

Mitchell didn't know.

It's a deep question.

I asked him about my demons here.

Very nice.

He says, then, he says, they're dangerous.

And he says, I think.

It was done.

Some may have seen the fruits.

See, that's a strong line of truth there.

He came back and sold it.

God was with him.

I asked you in terms of bugging and so forth, was it only in the national security area

Well, I may be right.

I may be right.

I've got, I don't know where I've got it.

I've got it in the notes.

Oral was present.

Well, any place I've got oral.

Let me say anything where anybody else was present.

I did not dictate anything in my mind.

I didn't see.

But oral, except for the 20th.

That day I did, for some reason.

Oral was present.

I didn't dictate anything in my mind.

Or he came in.

Before the press conference.

This was the discussion of all the press conferences.

Dean prepared most of them.

He dealt with these related stuff.

They came in on the afternoon of the 15th of March and Dean

Just talk about how this was, how it went, how it went, and more so that you got off into some revelations about this case.

Yeah, I agree with you very much.

Good point.

He said that's mostly what he's telling me right now.

The system.

This is me.

FBI files.

Should we truck over?

I said, I want you to track my ranking.

I again asked about a written deed before.

And he said, I'll give you a copy of my money.

Isn't that really curious?

If you go back and pick this up, if I had known what I know now, I would have been suspicious on the 27th.

And he's a lawyer, it's hard to say that Eric Van Hollen was the best man in the United States.

He's honest.

And in my interest, you should know, I must say, I personally was interested in the election.

But my interest in the White House was I had made the statement no one in the White House was involved.

And I wanted to be sure that was true, totally true.

And that's why I kept coming back to that.

Again, I came back several times that day.

I was on a ticket to get the story on.

It was almost four and a half days.

Being answered, you can't answer some questions you just can't answer.

That's when I told him, he said, we need an answer.

I said, why don't you do it more?

I said, I can't, David.

Give us something.

We need a plan.

Get this darn story out.

Part of the spectrum.

That's what it is.

Then I came into the vault and the inspection was closed all the way.

This first time seeing him fly, seeing him, I was really shocked.

I said, why?

Because I went over to escape like I wanted to.

You know, and he can't respond to me as anything.

And I asked him, but you didn't know.

Again.

I had no prior knowledge.

And he went to the various people.

Well, Jefferson was one of the chiefs himself.

He went down and he listened to everybody else.

White House recruiter, none of this is particularly new because it's in their office.

Recruiter, I think he did it.

I said, no one in the White House

And the guy said, except possibly strong, possibly strong.

And my brother pushed the lady with all the mercy.

And I said, well, you didn't call anybody.

I didn't know what to do.

And then why the devil did you do it?

Because I'd be lucky to have brother and somebody, you know, small.

Start the, you know, the...

There's basically a question.

Whether Holland or Dean at all, should the Junction go up and talk about this kind of thing?

Dean may as well, you know, let the devil run through and say, let Swanson say, they started talking about each other.

Might reflect on all of this.

I didn't want that to happen.

I don't know.

I don't know what I said.

That would be my normal explanation.

I just don't know.

I don't know what happened.

Yeah, it was that day he told me that Irvington had a problem for the first time.

Going to my doctor's office.

And, uh, my doctor told me that he had helped me with the Mgm vaccine.

No.

Well, that's what it must have been, because he mentioned Liddy.

He says, I had asked him specifically about the White House.

He says, no one in the White House, this is Liddy's boy, except possibly strong.

I said, I'm sorry, that was Liddy, not me.

He told me that.

He didn't say the date.

He says, I talked to Liddy.

And I had an Irish mouth.

He told me about Ellsberg's doctor's office.

I was totally amazed.

And I'm dying.

passionate story about a picture of lady in front of a doctor's office.

That was it.

The meeting of the 20th quarter was there.

I really feel that you can take it from more of it than from me, because I know that there are some more fragmentaries, some more written interrogatories, and Dean coming up with different cover events he's doing.

And Mitchell was having problems in the grand jury.

He was running away.

You know, anything you might have said to them that they would have given more, seen more.

The fact that they would have seen more.

Could they have given things to me?

Probably the fact that you were talking about these things.

I mentioned too much.

I talked about LBJ and, you know, about the best-to-hire chapters matter to an end-of-time.

That's what I said.

Oh, well, grinding is done in the first conference.

About separating color.

We need a counter-attack.

That's where the beam counter-attacks.

I don't know what period, I have probably the very fact that we sat there talking about all these things.

I've had conversations with Dean, which indicated that Dean knew a hell of a lot more than I seemed to know.

I sounded like a neighbor who lives in America.

That's right.

That's... That's apparently what happened.

Or otherwise, why would I be talking if I'm getting a statement out?

The telephone calls...

Some of those, you know, I...

I, uh...

Yeah, but not in writing.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

So that's about the only problem.

All of the girls on the calls are about to play with the answer this way.

Uh, girl.

There we go, kids.

She's even playing these three letters.

She's playing them.

And then I got to the final, let's go forward with this statement, after, to be issued back to the court sentence.

What kind of a sentence is this?

Oh.

Morgan doesn't have all the information.

I don't know why the hell he would have said that.

Oh, that was because Moore was pushing for it, making a statement after the gang were ready to go for it.

What day was that?

I don't know.

Maybe the 16th.

He spent more of the 16th than there's no doubt.

He wasn't waiting until 2.

And on the 20th, he said, I want to report to you in four terms, but not in three.

And this, by the record, like no one on the White House staff was involved.

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What happened there was a dean came in and said, and talked about the cancer in the heart of one of them.

I think you should know.

And then I said, well, tell me about it.

And then for the first time, my recollection is not clear as to whether the parliament said it is.

sure, as to whether then he told me about Horland's transfer of money, about the rate, about Ehrlichman approving the raising of money in Tomahawk, and, of course, the victim's blackmail threat.

It was perhaps halfway through that conversation, I buzzed home and had him come in and I said, tell this to John, to Bob.

We went through the same darn thing.

And it was then,

Then I made this statement, which is quite silly.

It's silly now, but it's perfectly proper that when I said, well, they want $100,000.

I said, well, what would it take if you had to pay this for over four years?

You know, paying these guys all this money.

How much have you been paying them for?

I think he said, he may have told me it was $400,000 or something.

He said, hey, great.

I don't know whether that's true or not.

That may have come another way.

He said, well, we can break it.

I said, that's not the problem.

But then when, when we were talking to Holden, and Holden's recollection is extremely clear and fortunately made on his head.

And Holden, I don't know what he's told you.

Well, you better take Holden's on that, because basically, my word against him is that he was damned.

But Holden will say, on each sentence he will say that he did talk about that, and I did say to him, you know, it was blackmail, and I might not as well.

So, suppose you could raise some money.

How are you going to distribute it?

He talked about, you know, washing money.

He talked about that.

He talked about, what are you going to do, through a Cuban committee or something?

Because I had read something in the paper about a Cuban committee.

You know what I mean?

And he said, that Dean, for the last, is making you do this, and he can't even know how to do it.

Got it?

And then,

I said, well, now that's when Frederick got on the road and said, so, we've got this kind of, kind of, we've got this thing going.

And I said, in the final analysis, these guys want clemency.

They're not going to sit in that jail for four years.

I said, you can't get clemency.

Seems that he agreed.

And I said, Frederick, in other words, that was talking in terms of

And frankly, utter and net stupidity is like a damn thing.

I mean that it would never work over a period of time.

And then fortunately, I thought I had said this, but when they talked about black male, I practically came out of the chair and said, this is wrong.

It won't work.

We've got to get our story out.

And then I said, I want you and Dean, you, Colin, and Earl to get officials

That was the end of that conversation, which I didn't call.

That was the morning meeting.

Yeah.

I think he met with him again.

Yeah.

With others.

With, um, you know, most men I've ever met.

Yeah.

The book thing.

That, you have to ask them about.

I have to ask them about it.

What have they ever thought of it?

They say it was kind of a little attached.

At least if we have some extent and how they were going to get it off, what happened now?

The hang-up thing.

Yeah.

And the individual was getting to it.

And that's the thing.

All right.

Twenty seconds.

That was in the big-ass picture of the morning.

Right on the floor there.

Not to me.

He did present, but it's never been me.

I've never discussed it with him.

The reason I didn't was that the writers...

They came in together.

No, no, no.

He was here, and I said, can I have Peterson come over?

And I said, sure.

And he called him over.

And then he went seeing him that night later.

Yeah.

That was 15.

Yeah.

I don't know what to do with him.

To go through with him that night.

That was just before.

And I also had all of them heard.

Yeah, all of them heard.

That's right.

And, uh, three of them together.

Uh, but at that time, I don't know if you're aware of it.

He had already gone.

On the 15th.

Yes.

And I'm not sure they come.

Oh yeah.

Yes, they do.

I didn't know that.

That was his version?

That was his own.

I don't know, but that's the first time he asked.

Now, you know, Peterson had this back picture in his file all this time.

He did, but you know... And Dean claims that he knew in the summer, somewhere over there.

That's in the back of my mind.

But, you know, Peterson denies that.

And I think...

I believe Peter's right.

I believe him, too.

You know, I got the Bureau.

I got the CIA to come over and discuss the picture.

They found the picture.

And he showed the picture on the building.

And they examined most of the characters before they turned the elements and counted.

And they couldn't even tell for sure where it was.

They were pretty sure it was California.

And there's a parking space.

Well, Hunt's story is very garbled.

He first said that he was using a can of vodka and a tobacco pouch.

And then he said that they put many in the picture because people would have thought it was strange that he was taking the picture just of a building, not somebody.

They asked him then, why do you want a picture?

They said they wanted to prove they were lying.

Why?

I have no idea.

Don't tell me anymore about that episode.

It's darn bizarre.

It is.

It's unbelievable.

And to thank God, we did it late, but we did get the information out.

And as I say, when Dean told me about it, I had no reason to discuss the darn thing with Peterson White.

Dean was talking to Peterson, not me.

Up until the 15th of April,

Yes, I assume.

But my staff was talking to you.

I was talking to you.

I don't know.

I never met the man who took you to April in that chair.

Never met him.

Well, it's an interesting thing.

Those are circumstances.

Oh.

I think John is testifying before the next meeting is set.

Yeah, we're done.

His roommate?

Yes.

Where?

Europe.

Well, Hunt was a Marine.

That's right.

I was working for the CIA then, and pushing for the detachment.

But Hunt was a Marine.

That's right.

He was a Marine.

Always focused on Ireland.

So, it turns out that was something he pushed for from a very old point.

I don't have any records.

You have to go.

Yes, I have to go.

I still haven't told you.

Not tomorrow.

I don't have any record, Fred, of the conversation with Mitchell here in the office that day on the 22nd, which is very important.

But all of them heard it when they found it, haven't they?

Yes, sir.

Thank you, Fred.

And the only troublesome thing I have here is the talk about the victim.

And that's not funny.

There's an action to it.

Which is very possible.

I don't think I ever did.

I don't think I ever raised it again.

But it's possible when the McCord thing broke in the 23rd, I'd say, what has happened to Hunt?

She's going to talk about, I wasn't thinking about Hunt's water deal.

I was thinking about Hunt and the other person.

The so-called dirty tricks.

I checked with her.

I just couldn't tell what it was all about.

Because it was the plumber's.

Never told the rate that for a million dollars or anything like that.

I'm not that stupid.

But he very lightly made sure that I did that first thing.

How would you handle it?

Would you send me a very shocking amount?

And then point out that there wasn't.

There wasn't anything raised.

Was there anything raised at that point?

Was there or not?

Not since the best of my understanding, there wasn't.

Now there was a cryptic comment that you took.

Was I asked to call him?

No.

You know, because he had been in there about this.

And I said, what happened?

And he said, well, we were having a discussion.

And I said, you discussed it over there with me.

to Mitchell.

And he said, there was a passing cunt.

In fact, Mitchell was saying, how about this bit of a cunt?

And he told him to turn to Dean.

And Dean sort of looked startled.

And Mitchell sort of humbled, well, I guess it's taken care of.

So put that down.

I don't know what it was, but

That may have been a long time before.

It may have been current or whatever it is, but I don't know.

The best guy to check on that's always been with me.

What's he saying?

I bet he's not saying anything to anybody right now.

We have indications that he's going to try to get us a visit.

Thank you.

He's going to get the immunity to kick the president around.

I wouldn't say it's nothing.

Right.

Related to Colson.

Colson did talk to my daughter.

Not really.

Colson said something when he splat out.

He said, the only time he ever talked to me was about Hunter Hunt's wife.

That was a terrible thing.

I'll take care of this thing, don't worry about it, you know.

Pittman may say that, but that's Pittman's word against Hunter's.

I mean, that's where it goes.

Pittman already has a, what was it, problem?

What's it called?

Alex's testimony.

Where's Alex's testimony?

Alex said Pittman never mentioned, uh, getting a place to sleep in here.

What?

You know, the allegation was that, uh,

He denies what?

He denies that me and Bittman ever discussed clemency.

Or, um, getting the people to plead guilty in Congress.

No.

My guess is that the clemency talk was totally different to the extended one.

It was Bolshevik versus Bittman.

But Dean said something about clemency, didn't he?

He walked into Erdogan, Dr. Erdogan, Erdogan walked in and said, don't promise him specific things.

Remember that?

Yes.

How does that sort out these theories?

Well, Dean apparently in January had instructed Caulfield and all those monkeys.

It was in January.

That had all... Everybody, everybody.

At least to hunt.

That was the one we testified about.

Andrew McCord.

They both were.

And, you know...

Dean, he says that earlier, when you were booking the check, came into your office and walked out.

That is totally untrue.

Earlier, never discussed my decision.

He did, yes.

In July.

He probably explained it.

He walked out on the beach.

I said I'd paint the building.

I mean, Clemson needs my blessing, and I just can't do it.

Now, with regard to the April meetings, there isn't a lot to report.

I think I'm sure at one point I asked what the legal liability was for raising money, and I just said, well, it's not in the trades for charity.

It's based around the trade for support.

And that was funny.

But in all of them, and then in the 16th we had that charade where I

He came in and I said, I think you ought to retire.

He said, well, I'd like to retire.

Could I retire?

I said, sure.

He said, I'll retire.

I'm going to do it all the time.

So I'm going to treat you all the same.

I called Peterson.

Peterson may remember, but I did say I'm going to treat them all the same.

Does he remember that?

Yes.

And I did, until the Friday.

Peterson said, you're really, I mean, we're not.

He said, don't hold up.

That's the only thing.

And on Sunday night, finally, I called him early, resigned off there, accepted the resignation that I had requested earlier.

But my God, he had been killed.

Now, just so we can

He never told me, and I'll bet you he never told you this.

He never told me.

He told me something about meetings he'd had.

A couple of meetings he'd had.

But nothing, nothing to do with that.

The pre-dialogues, I don't know whether he's been seen.

I'm not even sure.

I'm not sure.

He went to the ladies.

Yep, that's right.

They will both turn down.

Okay, okay.

Now, he didn't tell me about the way in the hall and all that.

It was very, very, but he actually didn't.

He never told me about Liddy confessing to him.

I mentioned this when Liddy had told him.

But, but, uh, when Liddy had, you know, the main thing is that he just didn't tell me about going and talking to Walter about something like this.

He didn't tell me about talking to the recruiter, fixing him up, or discussing when he accepted him.

I started to roll the leaflet and he wouldn't come back.

He didn't tell me about it earlier.

And being turned off the radio, I didn't get to see him for a hotline.

He didn't tell me about all of this.

He didn't.

Well, I mean, first he told me about everything, all of it.

I'm pretty sure he ended up at the radio.

But he never told me about the thing.

It's all him.

That's all he had perjury.

Huh?

That's all he had perjury.

The offer of clemency numbers and the paying of the penance.

He never said, he just said that it was a request for money.

Period.

And he gave that sort of strange implication.

And I've been like over this case like a blanket.

So maybe I'm wrong.

So how do you analyze it?

The only thing that troubles me, mainly because it's kind of a thing with Dane, and why he's sitting on the cult floor,

The only thing that got there is whether or not he would try to hang me with the victim.

Now the question there is though whether the victim got rid of him.

Right?

Now we'll kind of ask him that question.

But if he did, I didn't do it.

Oh, I should mention on the 21st, he did mention patents.

But tell that man you don't tell him that.

Huh?

Tell him where I said it.

And he said, did you read, did you call Mitchell and the partner that was on the phone you knew of?

Did you read, come and bring him?

Yes, that was the creepy thing to call him.

Carla had, had all, had all that.

I don't know what the devil was about, but.

But that conversation spread to a place in the 21st.

I learned for the first time about the whole speaking thing.

And I frankly had to run every string out to his hands.

And that was the details, wasn't it?

What?

Who was involved.

How far they were going.

What they were doing.

And Athena took him off of the surface and put earth on him.

Those are one of the reasons he is justified in doing that.

I have directed him to prepare this for me

The third thing you wanted to mention, we talked about that before, about her being, you offered penis with the option to cure a tape.

You were compensating for the deed.

And you said you had to take the phone records one time.

That was my misunderstanding as well.

And what I'm referring to, I don't, I didn't take.

What I'm referring to is that I didn't take tape at the end of the day.

Right.

My recollections.

But I would, I concur.

That'll be fine.

So, we're straight on that one.

That's what he asked for on the first letter.

The second letter.

Yes.

The second letter he asked for an inventory to be made of all files.

Incidentally, with regard to the deeds,

They had quite a conversation this morning.

He doesn't know what are the tapes and neither did he explain to us very clearly.

He's not sure himself precisely what he was referring to.

He asked for an inventory to be made.

The three respective inventors brought this up before.

He mentions the 11 that were rejected.

But he wants an inventory made of everybody's files.

And then he asked for a bunch of specific materials.

All the others I'm going back and asking specifically why.

He wants the informational appointments for a number of people who have the information.

Who also have, you know, log type information.

And because of some of the

Oh, all the documents.

We'll probably exchange a couple of those before we tell you to go.

And the documents, how do you see it sorting out?

and what's involved.

And he asked us for a tape of the conversation between Erlichman and somebody, Cochran, that Erlichman hasn't given you in their argument since then.

And there's nobody on Erlichman's side.

So let me say this.

I have no tapes of your very confidential information.

Apparently there are some telephone tapes, but ultimately we were able to do a lot.

He's talking about, earlier in the conversation, I don't know where it would come out of.

to say, you know, furnish the witness if you do anything wrong.

They're on the face of the tape because they go into other matters as well, which they do.

All of us believe that Brad would cover 15 items in our hour meeting or two hour meeting.

What I'd like to do is to keep this thing

for a popular ongoing until we get through, at least with Dean and hopefully with some of the other women, so we can hold it off before we have any confrontation and take care of the Senate hearings, because that's the public opinion.

And if we can come out of that and settle down, then we're in a much better, um, posture to take on the Senate hearings.

Thank you very much.

I mean, of course.

He's actually not going to write to us.

He comes to us.

Does he ask about doctors?

He does.

He doesn't ask about doctors.

He does say that, doesn't he?

Well, your feeling as a dean before the Senate then, about to try to poison the case of the prosecution against Wynette?

Yes.

Is that what you hear?

Yes.

You've missed everything conceivable in the contractions.

I can't tell how I should work.

I'm a lawyer.

If he doesn't get an ability, how should he do it?

Is it the same?

the president's brain may not be quite as great.

In other words, Israel at the second now has to be, to admit to everything he did.

Or I don't know.

That's true.

That's everything he did.

That's very clear at the second.

Like you're telling me.

I've got to do it.

You see, if he gets to the things, the conversations with the President in particular, we're hauling that over and that's more our call to realize that he has been around for thousands of years, thousands of years.

I hope a little of that can seep back to his people.

We've got to get the word back on that.

Sir, we've got everything.

If I were to buy him as a lawyer, I would advise him to say as little as he can beyond admitting what he did and that anything that he says trying to implicate others runs the risk that others may be able to sink him on the purchase.

Anything he admits that he did, don't run with it.

Well, he says, by God.

Well, we'll take the rough.

That's what we're here for.

We'll see how it goes.

Be prepared as best as possible at home.

Prepare as best as we can.

I'm panicking about it.

I'm getting excited.

I don't care what he says.

Girl, we're not going to let a pitch group like that do it.

Why do you think it is that Dean hasn't talked about the Bittman thing?

That's outlaw related confusion.

It's already out.

I think the problem with the distance thing is that he pays the money early.

And that's what he doesn't want to get.

No, it's just Mitchell Cricket coming in.

Because he said they paid him early.

But we know in January, Mitchell was getting very reluctant to raise any money.

No.

Because Richie Moore went up the top.

Yeah.

And Mitchell was just getting out of the money-raising business.

He didn't go near Patlis.

I know Patlis was a middleman.

I don't know who the victim was.

I can't see how he got any money in March.

At that point, it was just too far down the road.

The rule was the only man who could have...

The rule made the last time I was in one way, the rule made a turn.

And I went to check back to see if the second date was the one.

They went into...

I'm sure they went into March and they...

Far beyond.

uh the black man which that wasn't a mystery but what red feeling says by our early march

The other, of course, way to look at this, the dean could be so curious that he could get, you know, he could get, but I assume that if he's got to get immunity from Cox, that's a regular grant.

Of course, Cox could still get a credit.

He could, but he would be in a terrible position if he had not.

What do you think?

Oh, that's, I'm going to turn around on that one.

All the reasons.

The reason being that he had already been proved that they already had him, that he was at the heart of the cover-up, the destruction of justice, the cover-up.

And that he had been the one dealing with the FBI.

But the president of the Justice League told him that he was the one who was at the center of the whole conspiracy.

He was lying to the jurors.

They were?

How do you know?

Well, they said so.

Well, they wouldn't even reply to it.

got over his head, played clever games, probably thought he was in.

He didn't apply any of these to the race.

He may have gotten encouragement from our race and our home and at least know the strength, but probably got an approach that was almost direct encouragement.

I think it's very close to there.

How do you set the thing up?

Well, you're betting on it.

I think Dean had great motivation to mention it.

Mitchell had great motivation to do it.

And I think that was a big incentive.

I think it's one of the...

I don't know what he ever said.

I think that he told me a hundred times.

He said, no, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know what he was.

The strong man got to suspect me.

I don't know what he was.

I didn't have any questions.

I didn't have any ideas.

All the time.

What then do you attribute this to?

The Dean, last week after we had him on there, I think that was quite a revealing playbook.

I think I overstated it a little.

I overstated it a little.

If we had more of it this week,

I didn't know that.

What happened?

Oh, that happened yesterday.

It was a very strong argument made by these defendants.

The judge should not send him to the grand jury without, you know, people should give him a transactional meeting like this.

You know, the judge said no.

He would not.

He would leave.

He moved in all of her emotions.

to cover as much as they don't have evidence on him.

Otherwise, he would have started offering the meal and break in.

He offered the meal and break in, and then the second thing he had to offer was his lunch box.

And that turned out to be a little less than what he said it does.

Right?

Right.

Next thing he turned to offer was to kill the president.

I don't know.

That's all I got.

Good.

That's very helpful.

Yeah.

And we'll stay on top of it.

Good luck on your own.