{"conversationCode":"445-011","tapeNumber":445,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-445-011","startDateTime":"1973-06-13T17:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-13T17:46:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jun-1973","startTime":"1:41 PM","endDate":"13-Jun-1973","endTime":"1:46 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:41 pm to 1:46 pm. 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They coordinate plans for an upcoming announcement or speech to build positive momentum, while touching upon the need to manage potential legal challenges or judicial obstacles. 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