{"conversationCode":"445-013","tapeNumber":445,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-445-013","startDateTime":"1973-06-13T17:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-13T17:50:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jun-1973","startTime":"1:48 PM","endDate":"13-Jun-1973","endTime":"1:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:48 pm to 1:50 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 445-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 445-13\n\nDate: June 13, 1973\nTime: 1:48 pm - 1:50 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 40-73]","filename":["445-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"445-012","nextCode":"445-014","transcript":[{"start":0.28,"end":1.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.91,"end":2.46,"text":"How are you doing?"},{"start":2.52,"end":3.97,"text":"I'm getting out Henry's barrier."},{"start":3.99,"end":5.32,"text":"Is that falling on his face?"},{"start":31.98,"end":34.68,"text":"There it goes."},{"start":67.48,"end":82.38,"text":"I talked to the great Christ and also talked to the leaders, and I think it's very important that we not give the text out to the Catholic or to the leader."},{"start":95.49,"end":100.69,"text":"So they must all understand that they will be delivered to that better office at 7 o'clock."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler coordinate the restricted release of sensitive documents to specific leaders. They decide that the text of the materials should not be provided early to these individuals, scheduling a formal delivery to their offices for 7:00 pm. This instruction serves to maintain strict control over the distribution of information during a politically sensitive period.","topics":["Information control","Press relations","Document distribution","White House strategy","Henry Kissinger"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:38:26.215Z"},"topicSlugs":["information-control","press-relations","document-distribution","white-house-strategy","henry-kissinger"],"audioDurationSec":107,"audioFiles":[{"file":"445-013.mp3","bytes":3440640,"durationSec":107.41,"bitrate":256254,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.740Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/445-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/445-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/445/conversation-445-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}