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Nixon & Bull on Presidential directives and Military relations

Wednesday, June 13, 1973 · 3:20 PM–3:21 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 29 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation445-019 on Tape 445StartWednesday, June 13, 1973 at 3:20 PMEndWednesday, June 13, 1973 at 3:21 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 445-019 ↗

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President Nixon instructed his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to strictly prohibit the inclusion of family members in future military interviews. Nixon emphasized that previous attempts to enforce this policy had failed, explicitly forbidding any recurrence of these combined meetings. The exchange served as a firm directive to ensure that all future interactions with the military remain restricted to official personnel only.

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Well, Steve, the last time out, I told the military interview, I don't know which, that there was to be no more of the family dip.
I don't know whether you got that through this time, because seven plus their families will be an hour, have we or have we not.
Don't ever do it again.
That's right.
Never, ever, ever.
Thank you.

NARA Description

On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:20 pm to 3:21 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 445-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 445-19

Date: June 13, 1973
Time: 3:20 pm - 3:21 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull.

[See Conversation No. 40-77]

Also recorded on June 13, 1973

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  • 445-020 3:22 PM · 10 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Raymond K. Price, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:22 pm to 3:40 pm.
  • 040-078 3:41 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at 3:41 pm.
  • 445-021 3:41 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 3:41 pm.
  • 445-022 3:45 PM · 17 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:45 pm to 4:04 pm.
  • 445-023 4:05 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Raymond K. Price, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:05 pm to 4:06 pm.
  • 445-024 4:06 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:06 pm and 4:10 pm.
  • 445-025 4:10 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Marjorie P. Acker met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:10 pm to 4:11 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 445-019, June 13, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/445-019 (accessed October 9, 2026).