{"conversationCode":"445-019","tapeNumber":445,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-445-019","startDateTime":"1973-06-13T19:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-13T19:21:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jun-1973","startTime":"3:20 PM","endDate":"13-Jun-1973","endTime":"3:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:20 pm to 3:21 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 445-019 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 445-19\n\nDate: June 13, 1973\nTime: 3:20 pm - 3:21 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 40-77]","filename":["445-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"445-018","nextCode":"445-020","transcript":[{"start":0.37,"end":16.64,"text":"Well, Steve, the last time out, I told the military interview, I don't know which, that there was to be no more of the family dip."},{"start":16.66,"end":21.65,"text":"I don't know whether you got that through this time, because seven plus their families will be an hour, have we or have we not."},{"start":21.67,"end":22.13,"text":"Don't ever do it again."},{"start":22.15,"end":22.45,"text":"That's right."},{"start":22.47,"end":23.15,"text":"Never, ever, ever."},{"start":23.17,"end":23.37,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to strictly prohibit the inclusion of family members in future military interviews. Nixon emphasized that previous attempts to enforce this policy had failed, explicitly forbidding any recurrence of these combined meetings. The exchange served as a firm directive to ensure that all future interactions with the military remain restricted to official personnel only.","topics":["Presidential directives","Military relations","White House personnel management","Policy enforcement","Stephen B. Bull"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:38:59.434Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-directives","military-relations","white-house-personnel-management","policy-enforcement","stephen-b-bull"],"audioDurationSec":29,"audioFiles":[{"file":"445-019.mp3","bytes":946176,"durationSec":29.44,"bitrate":257113,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.080Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/445-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/445-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/445/conversation-445-019","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}