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Where's Mr. McFarland?

Hi, how are you?

All right.

You've got to hold it down.

As soon as that thing from Mrs. Woods comes to bring it right in, I've got to clear it before the night.

You were over there, weren't you?

Yes.

We were talking about your response to this Senate post-promise thing.

I think so, yeah.

Well, we can take some protection.

We have been in the...

It seems to me that we're very... What do you think?

These guys are the best voters and they kicked the hell out of us.

And I'm embarrassed all the time.

Well, I think we can kind of turn this around.

Thank you.

Oh, I think we can force out of that committee.

or get it out ourselves.

The thing that this is doing for $1,000 a month.

To make it count.

I have a very loud question, Matt.

Scott.

Houston, where's Honeywood?

Apparently, K-Sun started Eastwood back in the 70s, Matt.

To pay back.

So, I think if we can get this out,

But you're raising a storm about it.

No, but the gentleman is weak.

That can be put out and have it typed for me and I can give it to you.

I don't need to see that, but I can do it for you.

Okay, go ahead.

All the rest of these people, at least, had unselfish motives.

All of them were acting at least, they thought, unselfish.

But because if some people can understand, there's a man who put his hands on people.

What do you say to put it back and say, who told you this?

You see, I put together the memorandum the other day.

We traced the flow of these funds into John Dean's handbook.

Then I did a lengthy cross-examination, examination with Fred Thompson.

I'm sorry, but what happened to this one?

Did he examine it?

And he examined it?

You know that?

Yes, he examined it.

Now, Thompson wouldn't tell me what he said.

When I got back out of the committee, throughout the source weeks, I had a number of people go in and request that he did this to only 4,000.

That he used it on his honeymoon to put it back later.

Actually, I think it's a probability that it was more than 50, 60, 50 years.

And I want to use this as a leverage for all of the subpoenas' bank accounts.

I think what we have to realize is that he's a big guy, and how the hell can they destroy him?

They do the whole bunch of trying to build him up.

You don't agree?

No.

I think they put him in the box, and I'm very suspicious of their motives.

I think they themselves are now really on the horns of a gun.

How are they going to take a man in a position of being subordinate to perjury, lying, obstructing justice?

And, you know, the grand hero already got their pattern to be their hero.

But how are they going to take a man in who stole for himself?

They can't do it.

And I think they're all going to die.

Oh, I think they're all...

I don't think they would have postponed the drinks otherwise.

They made some time today.

Some time today.

I don't think they are.

I went up first and told them, now look, dash and pop.

I said, you're making, the numbers are making the back door approach.

And you can tell your mother, forget it.

We're not going to play that game.

You're sure you're going to play that game?

Yes.

We've got to.

They made an approach to me.

In a way, to Rose.

Mari Liebman called in about this from Chicago.

And after the second one, I went up to see Thompson and told him face to face.

Because Doug Parker wouldn't.

That's good.

Well, this is one of those things we have to take an extra credit list from companies.

And we'll have a number of leads this week.

But if we can get this money story out, I think that's the best way to get it out.

And we've got people all lined up to go out.

And we've got coaches just chomping at the bit.

My parliament is prepared to speak out these weeks.

We're ready to speak out on the billion dollar plan.

And, which is ridiculous on its face, but horrible's gotta say why.

And, we're forced to beat us up in the open at that point.

But you know, you make me want to be working on it.

Yes, sir.

Right.

He's going to have to come out and say, you told him all of these things about the business.

Why?

Oh, yeah, the business.

Like the blackmail.

He told you that I told him, yes.

And, you know, it's just totally inconsistent that you would tell him, or he was going to go raise the money and turn right around and tell the man who was so independent that he wouldn't tell you the information from the grand jury that...

You guys are doing $120 a month against them.

If they don't want to ask for more money, over half a month, I'm a black man.

So, there's a lot of things we can go after, you know.

Good.

And we get the chitty from this story.

We keep a running account of it.

In fact, Charlie Wright has written up something.

He tells the story of Captain Arrow, and it's continuously updated as we get more information.

Uh, and we're prepared to go after him on all the inconsistencies as soon as we get him another one.

So, we're prepared for him.

In fact, we were all involved in this.

I know your testimony, because I think this was going to be the break point of their whole effort.

You say that the commander in fact, they had a, what did you do about this?

I can't help but feel that what they found out was committee members didn't get briefed on this post-government until last night.

On what Dean had said Saturday.

At 7 o'clock last night, Baker hadn't had a word out of what they'd said.

He had been telling them to have a second session.

No, sir.

They did not have a second session.

Well, we heard that.

They had one on Saturday, but they did not.

See, I talked to Thompson when I had just been late.

And Thompson had told Baker.

Thompson had to go greet Baker after he'd talked to me last night.

We again went over his cross-examination.

In the most excruciating detail, I prepared several hundred questions for him.

And I've marched him through it.

He's written out a scenario of what he really did from start to finish.

Is he interested?

Yes.

He's very enthusiastic about it.

And, you know, the important thing is I've got to believe it.

You know, I mean, he's really convinced I've answered every question he's got.

What does he say, Fred, that...

Dean hasn't appeared before you in the second session.

Only the staff.

The staff's event will be appeared at 2.30.

Oh.

2.30 the staff's event.

They will handle the second session.

Oh.

And that was because of what he said happened.

Otherwise, they got real...

They announced the postponement about an hour ago.

I have to be clear.

Yes.

When they decide, that's when they announce it.

And there's no question that we shook up about the things he said, but I can't believe it was because it was, it came on confidence.

You say they were shook up?

I'm sure they were shook up about that.

They weren't as comfortable about it.

You've got to take the impression I get about Trump.

And was very concerned about him.

Worked hard on this case.

Whatever they told him, they decided they'd have to hear an executive session before they put him out in public.

And they just show a degree of caution about the small public.

It is not characteristic.

What's that?

They show a degree of caution about the Hispanic public.

Well, they did not record the rest of it.

And urban, it just has no motivation.

Oh, God, no.

I mean...

No way.

He wouldn't want to help his son.

No, sir.

And I cannot believe that Ervin did this because he was afraid to damage his son.

No.

And to Adam.

He was afraid he would damage his kids.

And, you know, if I were one of them, it would be sad.

Then probably he might have bought them over.

At the same time, if I were handling that committee staff, and Lonnie helped me cure it, and my star witness suddenly came in,

It's an entirely different kind of morality than it's been in the past.

It's the kind of issue that Harlow would say has led us the other time.

That's right.

This just puts him out in a separate category.

He says he put it back and saved it.

It's hard to get recycling, but he said he's put it up, you know.

He claims to have repainted by President Satan.

I don't know what, sir.

He's a Christian.

And, of course, at all times, Mr. Franklin, we're shortly after this.

I wonder if that's why.

So, I frankly think if the man just bought that product at this point, and, of course, the possibility goes up to $40,000.

He lives pretty high.

Yes, sir.

He has.

We checked that.

He's got a Porsche.

Perfect.

Which is a very expensive automobile.

He has not one.

We were talking about his $70,000 townhouse.

He's bought two townhouses.

He bought another one last fall.

Did he?

No, no, no, December.

He bought another house.

And I had him, my son, go over and take him to Fort Reckless Park, where he's going to offer him out in January.

He checks titles.

Really?

He checks titles for a long time.

He doesn't have a full-time salary.

That's why he's suspected of giving his family.

What was his name?

His family.

He lives high.

Of course, he does have some of his family.

His family was his father's.

Of course, he has parents in his family.

Yeah.

Well, we also want to check the divorce suit and see how much y'all want to settle.

We couldn't have too much money.

It's too interesting to get that last paycheck in two weeks.

Yeah.

We raised a big storm about that, so we must be buying this money.

We're trying, you know.

And we're likely to get it ready sometime.

Well, I think the money is the real break.

I really think that's a big break.

I just don't know about that.

Well, when we got to talking to the different people around here and going back over the testimony and tracing the response, it was a complicated matter.

About 500 to 350.

They gave a whole 22.

Well, it turns out that Colson didn't spend the whole 22.

We hadn't been aware of that until early last week.

When Dick Howard said, oh no, you know, Stan specified he returned the whole 22 to Dean at Dean's request.

To make it whole.

To make the 350 whole.

Well, then Howard came in to see us.

Dick Howard, he says, oh, something must be wrong here.

Because I gave Dean back two packages of money that we didn't spend.

for those advertisements.

I was 22, so we planned five ads, and we only spent for two.

And I don't know precisely how much it is, but Baruti's advertising firm returned.

Related to what?

I got a hundred.

So then I went back to the Baruti firm, and I said, how much did you give back?

They said between $15,000 and $16,000.

We gave back.

And Howard said he offered it to Strong, but Strong said, well, you know, I don't know whether I should put this money back there.

Let's ask Dean.

Dean said, he'll take it.

I'll take it to take care of it.

So we gave him the tour.

Well, then Strong was in a big contest as to whether nobody found out from Strong yet.

Well, he doesn't remember getting the .22 back that Dean got from Sam.

The committee is not as strong yet.

They have asked him all about it.

And I say all the details I've got so far.

He's admitted to 4,000.

The rest of it, they all, these people.

Now the question is to run down these people and see if they've really got it.

So call the comments in the working room.

See what the business for us has really been getting.

But once he had missed the $4,000, all you've got to do is run through the question.

People all over the world are going to pick it up.

They'll never really get it.

Well, I think we've got a real, real hard way to retire now.

I'd like to.

I said it could have been a great opportunity.

Get it out this weekend.

We need to get that out tonight.

And I think we'll have it out tonight.

I want to talk to the committee tonight.

I want to talk to Thompson today.

Are you?

Yes, sir.

I'm going to demand that they make it one-on-one for all of us, and I should be able to stay in line.

You're going to ask them, right?

Yes, sir.

Get them on line.

And I'm going to tell them if they don't, I'm going to tell the reporters to go ask them.

I'm not going to tell them myself, but I'm going to tell the reporters to go ask them.

Did he or did he not steal the money?

Because that puts another whole complexion, as it looks now, in drawing it.

The same way that they, his testimony was going to be so hard against the president, they called it off.

Yeah.

The second they heard it.

No, sir, but that's the innuendo they'll draw from it.

Yeah.

But then if they found out that...

It could be that they just don't want to.

It could be that they don't figure it so hard.

That's right.

Irvin wouldn't call it off if it was hard to get the president.

I'm not after all this stuff.

Even Thompson says Irvin is the most partisan, boss, man, everything he does.

You see, my point is that they thought it was, on my own guess, that they'd call it off, not because of it.

We strongly expressed that they were afraid that it was not too hard enough, considering what we had done.

They'd go in a minute, but they thought they always did, or they thought they had to go home.

They want to have their own free shop next week, you know.

When they're putting on the next one, they said they were going to just poke fun at parents for a week.

I don't know if that means one day or two.

We haven't been able to find out with him this day.

I'm still questioning him.

He's in the second session.

I'm worried about him.

But... Thompson has just not told on me that this is bad.

Because I've walked through the whole thing with him.

And he has received great inconsistencies.

I think that's the point.

Yes, sir.

Tell me this, can we get a hold of him some way, if you're meek or eager?

I mean, like Prescott said, what do you think?

We have tried.

What he is doing is selecting out pieces that were suppressed.

The committee doesn't have it.

Bill Hunts and I were on the phone just a minute ago before I came over here.

Both of us.

We've gone directly to them and they said they haven't had it.

We have rusted those drawings.

And I wrote to the parent committee.

And the select committee demanded they might lie to us about it.

What are they putting out?

This is not the other thing.

put out a piece of the news, the daily news, that, uh, that Hollerman was the one who corrected the tappel on the bronze ball, and that the whole Watergate operation was kosher.

Is that even kosher?

No, it's not very smart.

It's not very smart because Jussell said, you know, we had it all ranked.

Jussell was going out tomorrow afternoon to the press conference, just cutting the roof, and he saved that stuff.

I'm sure that Chuck is capable of directing, but I'm sure he didn't.

He would be on such a limb.

And he's gone way out.

He has good programs.

I heard he's coming up pretty good.

He did a good job.

Some of his stories, I don't know.

All right, all right.

You'll put it out.

Very, very, very good.

It's games that you'll follow up with.

We can have that.

One best bet is to wash out this money business.

And I think they're going to have to take a hustle out of it.

Good job.

Thanks.

I do not believe, I do not believe members of those committees, members of that committee, can politically afford to go on television and appear as such a thing.

The old man with raised fingers is a thief.

You can defend a lot of things, but that's something people understand.

You know, that's not something that happens often in the political system.

You can't put it out closer than that.

Chuck assured me that it's already out.

Was that the name of the button?

I'm not sure it is, so I'll make work to make sure.

That's right.

We'll just be depending on Shapiro and sometimes Shapiro lets us know.

Yeah.

Well, anyway, we were all prepared for him tomorrow.

Now you've got to wait with him now.

Yes, ma'am.

We have to meet Josh at the back of the door.

We're behind the scenes.

What about the discrediting?

If they put him off for a week, I think...

I mean, Ziegler has this idea that we shouldn't make him moderate.

I think he's moved too far off the list.

Once we get the money out, once we get the money out, even the press might be able to stand up.

In other words, he was a thief.

As long as, as long as he appeared to have just done a part for everybody else, they had up his cool.

And now they can say he's the one that's gonna fall and tell the whole truth.

Yeah.

But when he goes beyond and steals for his own benefit, I just don't believe they can come out and make it real.

They can't afford to make a bureau out of a two-bedroom.

You don't think so?

I wouldn't think so, but, you know, we have a curious mentality or thread among those that are, you know, support the left.

They don't care.

But, Mr. Press, we can get our own people out of this, you know, this is the kind of thing we can get our own people out of.

Really?

Yeah.

I think it's a good thing.

T.I.

Bader didn't even sit still on this one.

T.I.

Bader didn't even sit still on this one.

So you just have to break things.

You know.

That's a good, a good bit of, of, uh, you have to work in your place.

That's all I was going to say.

Right, you did in all the work times.

Yeah.

Now you're going to keep right at it.

Yes.

When I'm right at the top of it, I'm right at it.

I'm very interested in what he said about the ability to receive.

In fact, somebody, when they get through, he gets asked, I've got a good excuse to go, he's asking us for copies of this and this, and we gave him a copy of it.

So I'm going to personally carry it up and talk to him about the protective order.

That would be, to the extent, any of us have gotten one of the protective orders, we've got a five-month to get a receipt.

So...

Um, this is, that's just to bring it out a little bit.

I don't know, you just, well, it's a damn thing.

It is, I'd rather have it now, but we'll get this thing out, out of the way of being legal.

When it leaks out, unless you say, well, we're gonna do our best to fix that whole thing.

We have children working around our old quarters.

But I, what I meant was, the person has to be, we must have friendly press guys.

They've got the answer.

They go offer him money.

I said, if he didn't want it, give him some money for it.

You know what I mean.

And for the price you're running, if we can't give you money, we've got to have a perfectly legitimate way of doing it.

We've got to get our hands on it.

We've committed crimes the other time.

And he says we don't have to.

And they said that to me.

They said that to me.

Like a rustic.

And I made the call.

And he's on the fiduciary committee with his parents and me.

We had to leave the company.

I don't think as much do they, can't we?

I mean, he's already said about a million dollars.

Yeah.

So, what is there to say after?

Although, quite frankly, the closer we get to the hearings, the power, the leaks are.

Are they?

Yes.

Are you mean for that?

The thing you, you mean the thing you predicted?

Yes, I mean, he's, he's, he's.

It's a trench story.

He's in the trench.

I mean that's...

That gets very, very, you know, Dick Morris is a pretty good witness there.

So, you know what I mean?

I just got a call from the Dean Slash.

He's very hard-eyed.

He's got a discredit.

I don't think you'll miss much of anybody.

Peter's self-mention.

He'll have something.

I haven't heard anything, but I'm satisfied he will have something to say about Peter.

Yes, I agree.

He'll try to drag that down, but Peter's a good man.

And Pat Gray, you know, came out today and labeled him a liar.

Good evening, sir.

Yes, sir.

He said that all for the fault of being representative himself.

Possibly he would be working for the record.

Thank you.

And reporting to me.

Yes, sir.

And reporting personally.

And Gray said it was a lie.

And Gray said that's what he reported.

And now it turns out he's the schedule of meetings.

So he's going to have to try to get more.

That's a curious thing.

And they were friends.

Or it was the guy who told him to come over and talk to him.

And he slashed him more.

All right, all right.

Well, good luck.

Well, thank you, sir.

Tomorrow, what time?

Yeah, won't have to meet.

All right, sir.

Mark, remember, don't let him out until he's done.

Yeah.