Nixon, Ziegler & Haig on Leonid Brezhnev and Watergate

Yes, sir.
Hi, Rock.
Hi.
We probably will do that.
They're both very scared to go out.
But I'll probably have it on.
They're putting together a meeting on the 430.
Right.
We got him on the helicopter.
I don't know if it was straight up.
I don't know if it was.
I don't know.
But anyway, anyway, I don't know.
I'm so concerned with everyone.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know whether we're able to get out there.
The next day is Saturday, and you have a reception.
But anyway, it works under that.
So at least part of it.
So I'll prepare that.
Well, I'd like to...
I'd like to see this as, first of all, I think, a deciding circle, right?
but if it captures that economically and so forth, it's fine.
But it would be excellent if you could get down to the boat, right behind this front that starts at 133.
You could go to the boat before 6 o'clock.
If you could say leave at about 106.
I don't think we can do it.
I think one thing we could do is, if we take, this is not your problem, but I assume so, if we take, you know, the Secret Service votes, we give the Soviets to press leaders, and we take to press leaders, so they keep any vote you're on the wrong side, which is what you want to do, we can do that.
I have some press on it, on any, uh, you know, bridge, any pictures of it.
Oh, that can be handled by the, the, if you go to Camp David, they'll be a rival picture of you at Camp David and everything, and that's a little funny story.
I mean, I mean, it should be.
Well, it doesn't, right?
Oh, well, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,
But we can't cut you down.
No, I shouldn't have done that.
I just don't think I can do it.
I don't have any power.
I don't have any children.
I don't have any sex.
Then, tomorrow, we'll have a picture campaign.
We'll have a picture campaign.
Can we go up there?
Yes, sir.
All right.
See, we'll drive down there.
All right, we're going to talk to Steve about this.
You know, I've always had a rule that if you ever allow a state judge to do that, you're going to be pressed.
And when I'm pressed, you've got to hold me in all your shaken hands.
That's my question.
That's why I'm so impressed that you were asked to do something about me.
I accept that.
But the final thing I'd ask is that you must never allow a press doctor to take over your house.
I mean, if you don't take over your house, I'm sure you're not going to call me.
I have the rest of my property.
You know, I'll take care of it.
That's my responsibility, and I should know that.
So, go ahead.
You don't have anything to add, but I didn't want to offend anybody, though.
I understand.
What happened?
You know, well, it happened, and I should know that.
Nobody likes you.
That's the way it is.
I like that.
You're taking it to the right.
No, anyway, hold on.
I just wanted to know if there are personal things like that.
I don't know how you're going to handle it, but, um, just find a way to send me an address, or as far as your policy, and I think it's just, I really feel that a lot of comments come across the line, according to my professional, I don't think, not to me, she doesn't want me to sit with her, everybody knows, everybody knows that, and the poor woman calls me, and it really doesn't matter how the comments come across the line,
Now, uh, I just think we better find a way to get something done.
Cover her head.
Don't give her ever anything.
Cover her head or I'll strangle her.
I've hit her before.
I'll go ahead and rinse her.
I said go ahead and rinse me.
Right.
No, sir.
Just let me say, don't ever let her up to me.
I will not speak to her again.
This woman's right.
This woman's right.
She's been rough on everybody.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Oh, of course, Richard and Thomas.
I don't know.
I noticed that the theme, uh, $120 visit for Monday morning is Russian.
Our community, which went on to lose some of the money, the message was, uh, is it, is it, is it, is it which one?
He gives us a speech or something.
I said, oh, wait, I see it.
The theme, you know, I, you know, you're going to be part of it.
Is it your view that it would be helpful to have that energy flow?
Do they want it?
Do they want it infected?
Why not?
Because if they want it, it's just based on the theory that they're going to get the blood back.
Where did that come from?
Who started that $14,000 project?
That's how we do it.
We're going to go to Scott.
Okay.
They were following us.
We're going to see what happens.
We're going to go to Scott.
And we follow along as we move along the barge today, so we're good.
We've got the biggest 14 on the floor.
No, it's 14.
14.
14, huh?
That's the biggest one.
You can get that steady.
He was in Salado.
$4,000.
What about the rest?
The rest came from the state of Los Angeles on September 9th.
Sorry.
What?
What's the matter?
I think we've got to stick with the money.
Sure.
It's our business.
Give it up.
Break your money off a little while.
Uh, what was that?
You see the rock?
That's where he was dribbling around on the street.
He hit a green shot on that.
Yeah.
Green shot.
I think he pulled up right there.
I think he went right into that.
I don't think that's the answer.
I don't think that's the answer.
The, uh, thrust here wasn't the same amount of, uh, friction.
You did it.
On the best of my ability.
Well, the evidence against me is that it made thrust.
This was Dean's, uh, evidence against Dean.
Well, I guess it's 7-0, whatever the question is.
What?
I guess it's 7-0, whatever the question is.
Well, maybe they can see the white of the day, but gurney's in there, white gurney's in there as well.
That's where the czars are.
Gurney's going to be aggressive.
I think gurney's going to be very devastating.
I think he's going to be aggressive, and I think he's going to go all the way.
I don't know what he's going to do about it.
Something we don't have control of, but we can.
You know, I was thinking about the whole thing, where we are.
I'm really thinking about it.
Any more?
Any more reports?
I mean...
So we are under the impression that there is no sign that we can find the facility?
Or may we find the facility?
Well, my view is that the only way we will become affected by continuing racism is if we allow ourselves to be affected by the only way we're safe is if we allow ourselves.
I do.
I don't know what you're saying.
Are we sitting around just talking to each other?
I recognize that.
I have not to do that.
I have not.
My view, working at it in a cold, calculating way, is that we have here a problem.
The oil we use, like I said, it does not mean that we should not be allowed to own property.
It does not mean that the new testimony next week will not be allowed.
It does not mean that we will go all over and try to repeat it.
It does mean that at least in the short term, we have to be able to support it.
When I say turn the corner, I mean very definitely that the attitude and the tone of the press corps has changed 200% in the last month.
I know that.
Number one.
Number two, I know that the government and the activities that we are undertaking with staff and working
Third, I think that there are many people, and this is hard to deal with and hard to assess, but I think the entire, I think they've already made this,
They may end up in this whole show.
Well, they've got to be involved.
So what?
What is the long-range solution?
The idea is the long-range solution is to follow the legislation and keep up with it.
Proceed with what we've done.
Keep above it and not allow ourselves to be affected by it.
That's why I think, and I overreact when you say something like that, but it's hard to think it's funny.
But I'm going out of your office this morning.
I got Charlie Wright in my office, and I said, God damn, it looks good on the card.
Get a statement written now.
Get a senator to speak to this.
So they typed up a statement.
Charlie Gray can help me do the job.
They came back.
I said, no.
They said, we don't want to listen to them.
Don't give me that crap.
The president wants it now.
I don't want to do it anymore.
You wanted to do it, you wanted to do it, right?
They came back the third time.
They said, we agree.
We made the bizarre decision.
We agreed.
We agreed.
We'll attack Congress.
But we've got to attack them at the right time.
And they focused on the right time.
I said, let's just give the senator his hand up.
They said, we can get senators to stand up.
We should get senators to stand up.
But we know from the prosecutor, the thing that Cox wants more than anything else is to be attacked.
Now, they want you to prosecute her against Cox.
So now what am I saying?
I think that's another good thank you.
to move ahead, to think these things through thoroughly, and five or six guys come up with a judgment after they're forced into doing something, and they argue back, but how do you say, again, damn, I don't know about them, but they don't do it, they're prepared to do it.
I mean, they're all fighters, they want to do it, but I think they're fighting in a calculated way.
And they have enough in the back, they have enough in the back, they have enough in their spotting to go out with them battling.
Many times, you go, my garment was this far away, going...
I'm calling about three cents.
Bazaar is on the same thing.
It's the same movie now.
The kind of movie that's on the school board system, right?
Because of what?
Because of what?
Because of what?
Because of what?
Because of what?
Because of what?
Because of what?
It went well, but it was really one of a kind of attack.
So going through all of that, looking at the sun, looking at what's in the sky, looking at the sun, looking at the sky, looking at the sky, looking at the sky, looking at the sky, looking at the sky, looking at the sky.
And I think that's a realistic assessment.
I don't think that's an assessment.
I don't think that's a problem.
I think there are other indications, too, that we might be trying to monitor.
And that's the keyboard.
wallowing around here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Julie has, Julie probably has a pretty good sense of this thing.
I can tell that, that I, that the tape, I don't know.
Julie may not have the kind of experience that I do.
I think Julie is the best go-getter.
She is one of the best now, in terms of the opportunities that are coming.
And she feels very confident, I've got to say that.
Quite.
But I don't think that's her attitude.
But, you don't feel, you feel the same way, but it's a question of timing.
I know we've been saying that for months.
And we've been right.
And we should.
We're right now.
We can't go on for any time.
But why are we going?
See, but there you have it.
You come in, and you go through.
You get ahead of them.
Pick it up in August.
Pick it up in August and send it to them.
It's a restaurant.
They're going to come there.
What about the question?
When do we have to get into that?
Then the first blast out of the bag, you can tell me.
Maybe not.
Why didn't you make that judgment?
I don't know.
I sorted it out.
I really can't predict that.
My sense is that Pete will be in a lot of opportunities, and we saw him fight for that ability the other day.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't agree with the question.
I agree with whatever the Senate chooses or strategy, or I don't care.
Now, the reaction of Senators to your debate might change the way it's presented.
The man, the President, may be out of the way.
I beg your pardon?
You want to look at the man?
You can still ask your question after the question is answered.
I know that there are people in the room who have dealt with it.
I know they've been proportionate.
There's been one person who has dealt with it, and I've seen them both.
But let me just say one more time.
No matter what people think, no matter what people feel, get back.
And I'm going to leave this nation.
I know what I can do to this country.
I know what I've done.
Not in a defensive way.
A lot of times, Mr. President, I think that's what jury's calling for.
But it's the right time to do this.
I'm bothering.
I'm asking for compassion.
It's coming out there and saying, what do you know?
How could you buy that with what the staff does on their own?
And if we begin, the staff contributes and serves the president by changing the attitudes and the tolerance that we must face that we have.
I mean, it's not that I agree with it.
I'm talking from a self-serving standpoint.
But coming out of this attitude, I think it's natural.
No, I'll tell you that.
Instead of saying, this president's solution is not that you're having a press conference, or having three press conferences.
See, that's only, that is a contributing factor.
What I'm talking about is the press.
I need to understand the relationship with the press, the relationship with the government.
I'm going to have to contribute to all of this by how we deal with it.
quite, I suppose, amazing.
I'm not judging what we did before as being wrong.
I don't know what.
We had the press just right.
Now, there's a lot to be criticized there.
But coming out of this environment in a self-serving way, we have to use the press to get us back into the position of being just like the very moral, free, dominant.
It's not seeing the press.
It's what you say to it.
And, uh, she's gonna make sure that a bottle of the Russian vodka is not breaking.
Oh, yes, sir.
And also, if a bottle of the Russian vodka are into the Russian world, you can't leave the Russian vodka.
See, because we go out
I wondered if you thought it might be useful if you and I had a talk with Blair today, or... Yeah.
Oh, I'll go.
Oh, no, I thought I'd take a look.
You can't.
Oh.
Oh, Christ.
Yeah.
Well, I had told him.
I'm afraid that's too long.
We still couldn't go to Mount Grant and come back by helicopter to here.
Well... Well, we'll wait and watch and see.
I'm driving.
What do we have to do?
I wouldn't mind driving for me.
No, no, no, no.
I'd, uh, come back.
I'd like for him to see George for a little bit.
I'm ready.
What I do is go to my car and come back to my house, hop in the car, bar in, go in and drive.
Yeah.
Check the fuel.
Yeah.
Say that it eats free, what time does it have to be free?
Say, 3.30.
Well, we can't take any risks when we're trying to be wanted in a bad situation.
We'll be searching, I think, for the wrong person to come back.
But in some places, it's a little closer to making records.
Well, it's a thing I decided to do, but I don't know exactly what I'm going to do, but they, they lie there a lot.
Well, I don't think they're lying there, right?
I know, I know, I know, I know, but my point is that when I meet lie there, I won't be doing anything.
I'm going to go someplace important.
Sure, but you're going to meet them.
Where are you going?
I'm going to try and, I'd much prefer to lie there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably can't put my helicopter in there, but I did have to go and check with her.
And now I'm going to say we can go by helicopter.
And we're someplace, you know, halfway, and we can either drive or not.
You know, I have a car.
Okay.
Okay.
Right.
But we're trying to get all out of here, but I can't take any.
But what do you think they would risk, me and them?
I don't want to have to be uncomfortable with them.
Right, right, right.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
We're still good with the road trip.
I don't want to do the road trip.
I just want to do this thing.
Yeah.
Now, we'd like to knock that economic thing off in about an hour, but I can't do that.
But can we not get sick?
Does he breathe?
Now what does he?
Is this the reason Beagle that he put light in the head on such a person for really long?
You know, who goes up there and so forth?
Or is he?
I can tell you, we can't, we can't tell you that.
Well...
But they, then Rodgers, uh, Rodgers and, uh, and, uh, Joe and, uh, whoever he was, and, uh, uh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, just send any of the staff.
It's got to be nice for them.
I think, uh, we discussed the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
There's been speculation about this anyway.
Well, we just knocked it down.
The main point is, Henry, we have gotten to where we can't date or discuss something.
See, the two big announcements are Thursday and Friday, and they just can't be in here to put it out tomorrow, because they're the whole damn thing that's coming up before we ever got here, that some of us killed.
Oh, yeah, so we've got to have it ready.
We've got to talk about it some, so that it sort of builds up that way.
And we've got to build it up to Friday.
Right, right.
Oh, okay.
How are your friends in San Jose?
Alright.
Oh, I don't mind.
I don't mind it.
I know, but I mean, I just, sorry you put yourself through that hardship.
I didn't mean to do that.
Well, that's not true.
Okay.
Okay, then before we go, we'll all meet and I'll call on you or I don't know who's going to break up that contract.
But be sure to press it.
Okay.
Well, I agree with you.
You've got to see that both of us are going to speak in tomorrow's meeting.
I've got the idea to start hitting Mr. Ashton in the morning tomorrow.
Thursday's a good day.
Friday's a good day.
So, are you and Sir Gottman going to go?
Well, I have no objection.
I think we should.
I think we should go.
I'm not sure if you should have dinner.
See what I mean?
Well, I don't mind if I have dinner, but I mean...
But it might be a sudden dinner.
I'd like to have dinner.
Let's see how many minutes.
Look, I, if it was just there, I'd sit on a bed table and just watch and observe them.
It's in the office, in the classroom, because they had a task.
And, uh, we're counterparts.
I don't know.
I can tell you something.
No, but I think it's in the office.
It would just be a good idea that we could get the environment's color out of it.
Sure.
It's in the office, and I can sit down at the end and just take a look.
Sure.
You know, Zamyatin.
Now, then, Zamyatin and I also mentioned some other kind.
Oh, sure.
It's even better.
It's the only way we can observe you, right?
Right.
Well, I've worked at a company that's running some great shit.
I wish we could have snuck around the other night.
But I wish Tom Lee would have helped us go bust it out.
No, I'll tell you what.
I think he should.
I mean, he'll lay the rest of the smugglers.
And Tom, I think it would be very helpful.
We're doing a lot for his profile.
What I mean is, it's a question of the status of your clients.
They're going to fly out on the plane and do what's happening.
Also, there's something I could write in there, too.
Do you know if I'll help you, though?
Sure.
But I guess that doesn't apply to me.
These guys go out and spend the night here all day long.
Oh.
Well, just to recap, because I'll...
I'll talk you into getting out.
We don't have it right now.
I just hope we've got it.
We've got it in some places, but it's still coming.
Then tomorrow, we'll have the picture on the side of the end.
The moment we start to find it.
And tomorrow, if you work that out, and not sell it all the time, he loves it.
Tell him to leave it.
This will be pretty good.
One moment, please.
This and San Clemente.
Right.
There are two pictures.
San Clemente picture will be in that passage.
The morning and the side.
Yeah.
That's the best picture of the one up there.
The piece is pretty hard to see.
You have to walk up to the dance floor.
It's hard to walk up to the dance floor.
I know they have it out there.
They've got shots of them shooting across the golf course.
But see, there's a great picture that must be taken in the campaign.
It must be taken.
When you get out there, look, tomorrow morning, when the meeting starts, you should all be involved with what you say and walk back.
That's the general president here.
He doesn't want to sit down with that jerk president walking back.
But make sure that we have people.
I'm going to have you guys stand by.
or do you want to block me from this or not?
And it's the distance shots.
Not a lot of press running against me, but the distance shots.
One thing that's been, and I want to be sure that you watch it, but I'll let you ask for an explanation about it and so forth, but I want to be very sure that he is never there to take a picture of any of his people unless the Russians also let him go.
That's what we want.
Now, please report back to me.
No problem.
I think, you know, they've been coming off.
I'm glad.
I mean, I don't need controversy over that.
I'm under some, I'm under some pressure.
Roger is pushing on himself now.
He's a big, big, big, big, big public figure.
I don't blame him.
He's just jealous of me.
I don't like that.
Don't worry about that at all.
I'm very good at this job.
I think that if there's a team that can make selection in three days, I believe we'll come back and some senators should respond.
We have a one-paragraph statement on that question for the White House.
Indeed, if it's allowed to be held, I'd like to do something about it.
I don't want to get married.
But now, let's look at the dates.
What have we got there?
We're now over, let's see, June 25.
I didn't want to look.
I wanted to revise.
Tensure Wednesday, I mentioned.
It shouldn't do anything for the island and all of you.
I'm not sure I have anything for the board or something.
I'm back together.
No press conference, perhaps on Friday.
Stay up there with me.
I'm sure they're going to be out there for a long time.
It's very important.
It's very frustrating.
How about killing a person and grabbing them?
That's what I decided.
I realized very quickly.
Henry was talking about a report to The Nation the day after that.
From the sun?
All right.
I don't think it's there, and I can't remember nothing.
No, I think you're reporting the nation to me.
Well, come to the sun.
I'm not here to report to the nation.
You think?
I think.
I'm here to keep everything to ourselves.
Well, what I think is that we should have an additional human care.
All right.
I think that's the usual thing.
All right.
The parting statement, I mean, so many people have voted against it.
If we haven't completed it, then I don't know.
It depends on how you do it.
But I would prefer to see you
No, I prefer to see you walking.
In other words, if you have time to compare it, you go down there, you have the speed test, it's a no problem.
You take the time to compare it, walk it out, and deliver it the way you can without an accident.
I said, for this reason, that I should pay for it.
He said, no, I want to leave everything to the credit.
So I bust the refund.
It means that the guy who's going in to me, they have announced that they're watching us through that door with their case against them.
What if my brother was being an actor?
They can charge you one more time.
I don't know.
How about you just sit in the boat tonight and grab a drink?
It's weather-prone.
Yeah.
You've got to dance first.
Yeah.
We've got to get you in the band boat.
You've got to line up.
You've got to line up.
Come on.
Come on.
There's another possibility which we could consider.
I don't know.
Just pass the boat and drive.
I think they really sensitive about the boat.
Heel to heel.
But he would like it, really.
Yeah.
That's quite true.
That's why we had to stand firm.
All right.
All right.
I agree.
All right.
Sure.
OK.
Yeah, he said he doesn't want them to feel anything about everyone.
If he feels that way, that's fine.
But I want him to go to my car and keep watching.
Get off of the van and go somewhere where I'm at.
Well, you've got to say this for the old boy.
He's one of the greatest men I think I've ever met in the world.
I didn't want to have a conversation with him.
I don't know.
Well, the way he handled people was crazy.
He was a warm, emotional guy.
He just loved to handle people.
I was bored at home.
And I didn't crank it.
I didn't know what to do.
They were people that I had never seen in my life.
Twice as long as you and me.
I was talking to everyone I was talking to.
And to make all the fields the biggest thing in the world.
And like, sure, we can't do it alone.
But then, many times, the equity is growing out of the United States.
And those poor people, the undersecretaries, have very high power to do that.
They're way out of power.
They're way out of service.
But anyway, if there was any problem with it, we could save the bodies on the ground in the future.
That would be a very, very great moment for us.
What do you think?
Is it a lifeline or a transit?
Very good.
Very good.
Very good.
Very good.
Very good.
There's a tree Oh
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Well, .
It's a good science story.
Yeah.
It's a good feature.
It's how far we've come.
Well, build it up.
No, I don't worry about that.
That's all we know.
I don't worry about that.
But actually, actually, it was a test.
We didn't realize it.
It was a test for those guys at the top of our prepared.
Well, you said, here we are.
There have been many leaders, and there's how many presidents and so forth.
Oh, they know.
This is.
I swear on you from the salt of my tongue, the principles of cooperation based on the leader of the community is...
I know.
...have made me believe that.
I'd like to think that's it.
I want us to work on it.
That's all.
Okay, I'll tell Henry that, uh...
I want to do a delicate thing, but you feel that I'm on such a high level.
Yeah, I'm telling them the point is that I feel that it would be very useful if we send the office tomorrow.
I feel that way.
I'm very grateful to you.
I'm very grateful to you.
And of course, we're going to the campaign every week.
I'm very so sure.

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