{"conversationCode":"447-036","tapeNumber":447,"conversationNumber":36,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-447-036","startDateTime":"1973-06-21T21:18:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-21T21:20:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Jun-1973","startTime":"5:18 PM","endDate":"21-Jun-1973","endTime":"5:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:18 pm to 5:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 447-036 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 447-36\n\nDate: June 21, 1973\nTime: 5:18 pm - 5:20 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 41-28]","filename":["447-036.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"447-035","nextCode":"447-037","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.25,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.27,"end":11.85,"text":"Out of the breathing door."},{"start":11.87,"end":13.85,"text":"Okay."},{"start":13.87,"end":13.97,"text":"Good."},{"start":13.99,"end":14.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":14.11,"end":14.21,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":20.52,"end":20.64,"text":"Right."},{"start":20.66,"end":20.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":21.06,"end":21.16,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":21.82,"end":35.27,"text":"You know, they, uh, I'm sure, you know, they, uh, they want remarks."},{"start":35.29,"end":39.18,"text":"We don't, but we don't want remarks for a reason."},{"start":39.2,"end":39.64,"text":"We don't want remarks."},{"start":39.66,"end":40.22,"text":"But, uh, we can do the same."},{"start":40.24,"end":41.72,"text":"But tomorrow, after we sign it, I'm going to set up a little seating line."},{"start":41.74,"end":42.96,"text":"I'm going to cut it down a little bit so everybody can do it."},{"start":42.98,"end":43.18,"text":"All right."},{"start":55.65,"end":68.69,"text":"Don't worry about me, because I don't have any reason."},{"start":68.71,"end":81.85,"text":"So I don't have nothing."},{"start":81.87,"end":82.01,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":82.03,"end":82.13,"text":"Good."},{"start":82.15,"end":82.39,"text":"What's that?"},{"start":82.41,"end":82.89,"text":"What's important to say?"},{"start":82.91,"end":83.31,"text":"Uh, about me?"},{"start":91.24,"end":115.85,"text":"Well, I'm not going to say that."},{"start":115.87,"end":115.97,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":115.99,"end":116.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":116.11,"end":117.13,"text":"Well, what I meant is that we've already agreed to."},{"start":117.15,"end":117.25,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":123.12,"end":134.63,"text":"Yeah, we'll be able to ice and load them."},{"start":134.65,"end":135.89,"text":"Well, at least we don't have to take any water game questions."},{"start":135.91,"end":136.22,"text":"They shouldn't."},{"start":151.81,"end":154.82,"text":"He's working hard."},{"start":154.84,"end":154.96,"text":"He is."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinate logistics for a signing ceremony scheduled for the following day. They discuss the potential need for official remarks, ultimately deciding against them to maintain control over the event's messaging. Nixon also outlines plans to organize a seating line for participants while minimizing press interaction.","topics":["White House administration","Press relations","Ceremonial events","Public communications","Logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:46:01.181Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-administration","press-relations","ceremonial-events","public-communications","logistics"],"audioDurationSec":161,"audioFiles":[{"file":"447-036.mp3","bytes":5146624,"durationSec":160.73,"bitrate":256157,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.080Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/447-036.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/447-036","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/447/conversation-447-036","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}