{"conversationCode":"447-038","tapeNumber":447,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-447-038","startDateTime":"1973-06-21T21:21:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-21T21:22:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Jun-1973","startTime":"5:21 PM","endDate":"21-Jun-1973","endTime":"5:22 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Buzhardt, J. Fred, Jr.;","description":"On June 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:21 pm to 5:22 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 447-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 447-38\n\nDate: June 21, 1973\nTime: 5:21 pm - 5:22 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr.\n\n[See Conversation No. 41-30]","filename":["447-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Buzhardt, J. Fred, Jr."],"prevCode":"447-037","nextCode":"447-039","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":3.48,"text":"So, you in the office?"},{"start":3.5,"end":4.57,"text":"Wanna come over for a minute?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon summoned J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. to his office for a brief, informal meeting. The discussion primarily functioned as a prompt to facilitate an immediate in-person consultation between the two men. No substantive policy or legal matters were detailed during this brief exchange.","topics":["White House administration","Legal counsel","Internal communications","Executive office procedures"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:46:12.256Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-administration","legal-counsel","internal-communications","executive-office-procedures"],"audioDurationSec":11,"audioFiles":[{"file":"447-038.mp3","bytes":352256,"durationSec":10.91,"bitrate":258378,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.081Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/447-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/447-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/447/conversation-447-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}