On June 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:22 pm and 7:05 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 447-040 of the White House Tapes.
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We'll see what the rest of the test will look like, sir.
What's the rest of this test going to look like, sir?
All this stuff goes around like this.
He has a thing.
of Chuck.
Chuck gave it to him.
And he made a copy of it.
Well, there were implications in it.
Chuck said he thought that all the implications were with the committee.
Because they weren't meeting their commitments.
They weren't doing the right thing.
And Chuck said, well, yes.
Chuck said, and Chuck took the tape to Dean.
Dean had insisted he talk to him.
He took it to Dean and said, you listen to this, and I don't know what it's all about, but it sounds very suspicious, and you better do something.
Dean took the tape, and the next day he came back and said, we don't even want any transcriptions of this.
This is my business.
It's not yours, and I'll have it.
And Chuck says he thought he was supposed to be handling that sort of thing.
But anyway, what happened?
Well, I don't know.
Chuck thought it was, I think Chuck thought it was what he would like to claim.
I'm sure he thought it was.
I think he was careful not to ever let anybody tell him something.
And he was careful not to let Bob tell him something.
In the conversation,
The judge went back to Dean in January and asked for that tape back.
And Dean couldn't find it.
He said it took him about three weeks to get the tape because that's when Dean made the comment.
But when the whole thing broke out in Oakland, the judge went to the prosecutor's and took them the tape.
A third of the time,
and gave the, and gave the transcription of it to the Senate committee.
Right off the bat.
So the paper was deemed, I guess, a copy of that.
Charles gave it to the prosecutors, lots of them, with the full length of the name.
So, you know, he, and he has a very good, reasonable salary.
I'm trying to say what the heck they said it was.
All right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He thought it was being handled as a commitment.
And he thought it was their attorney's fees were being paid.
Now, which is alright.
Well, I don't know.
Right?
It's alright if that's precisely what they were doing.
If that was the motive.
If that's just the motive to pay their attorney's fees.
And that it wasn't being paid out of conflict with the campaign.
As Dick Moore says, if it gets into very astronomical amounts, then it's going to be hard to convince anybody that knew.
Because I don't think we're hearing about a situation where a cop operates in one of the rural areas in one direction.
It depends on who knew it all.
So it falls down to the question of who knew about all of them.
I think that's going to be a problem for some people.
I don't know if they really had the total faith.
Can I talk to somebody from the committee?
He didn't know from what, but he felt they were taken care of.
Well, the back row, they raised that comp operation on the land, really raised money on the land.
Good old times.
Good times.
Who the heck did Pappas give his money to?
He... he knew about it.
I bet you I don't know.
It was in my prophecy.
Remember I told you that he mentioned Pappas' name.
That's what it meant, mentioned it.
Mitchell must have told me that.
Yeah.
Who... that's what it is.
Who did they expect from Pappas to give it to these people?
Who did they ask?
I don't know.
We have been unable to get anybody to say they handled the money.
I don't think it's one of those things that nobody would have fit.
We didn't need to have a little bit.
I think it's a problem.
And we may have handled the model.
What if the rules got lost, huh?
The rules said that he handled the money first off, but he didn't make the bank.
He furnished the money.
He raised the money.
He said he was custodian of the money.
And he provided it.
To have it delivered.
He delivered it to them.
He has never said it.
But he gave it to them.
And that's one of the missing links now.
His attorney just read it to us and I called him.
You don't think he gave it to them, honey?
He must have given it to Mitchell.
I don't think he gave it to them.
I believe he gave it to somebody who was a...
That's maybe O'Brien.
O'Brien, O'Brien swears not believing that he refused to touch me with the money.
Good.
He took the messages and passed along the messages, but he says he never saw or had a legion of money.
He never knew how much it was paid or even if it was paid for sure.
He relayed the messages and both of the messages he gave to me.
And how much of it do you think will help?
But we'd be very interested to get his statement.
And we'll go to work on it, to meet him.
And we'll try to find things that he's committed to.
He hasn't said it positively.
His chaperone has said, Charles Chaperone has said, Mike, what do you want to tell him to him?
Get it to him before that.
What do you mean by that?
I doubt this is going to be the best thing that's going to happen.
They apparently think that that's a very consuming job, you know, for a television outing, driven for a television outing.
In Russia, a five-hour speech might be pretty quick, but...
I doubt seriously if they can write a five-hour speech here.
This is going over very well on television.
People just don't listen to it.
And it'd be very hard for the newspapers to digest the size of the thing in the front row if they were trying to use it to contact the president.
They're short-handed to make it worse.
I don't need the cameras on me because it comes to something.
He ain't staying in my business.
Most damage he can just pick up a little bit.
So, how are we going to handle that all the time?
I guess we're going to have to wait and see.
We're going to have to wait and see.
So we'll survive this.
I find you, and I don't mean to look for it, but my father is, I reach very quickly.
It's best to get him on a railroad.
I don't know whether you can get it all out and get some alarm in the market.
And we'll have a difficult time because apparently the Senate has gone up during the week of the polls.
We're going to have a blank week up there.
All right.
Now, we need to follow up on these steps.
Oh, my God.
We'll let it hang for now.
Yeah, we'll let it hang for a week.
They are presently... What are we doing?
We managed to bail them out.
There was blood on the 29th.
I'm not going to hang them.
If they could, in a week, that's ten days.
Twenty-nine will be the date to finish the system.
Most of the business that they might have to stay.
They're not having for three days, twenty-nine.
Three days.
Three or four days.
When do you need the last place?
Sure.
My fourth.
My fourth request is across the foundation.
Right.
And we'll just have to look at it at the end and see what kind of things we want to do at that point.
But that's not what it is.
Well, we've got things like Bob is preparing to make a public statement.
What happened?
Uh, he's over here.
What happened?
Well, I think that Michael Dixon from the whole city... Jack Miller will make a statement for Dick Moore.
Dick should go in front of the Capitol.
But Jack is very...
He's probably the best lawyer that he's done in the past.
That's my opinion.
Uh...
He's just waiting for a press conference.
He's considering going on every day that they can go somewhere.
All right.
And they have that day-by-day critique.
Thompson has asked us to take the statement as soon as possible.
and take all the things we haven't worked on yet that might be needed and put that cross-examination on.
So with regard to things that are extraneous, I say extraneous, like IREs, I just don't lay off them.
That's what they're done.
They're done.
You just, they're, because he's the counsel of the president.
Right.
He revealed a lot of stuff that, uh, there it is, with, uh, the rest of the decision.
Although some would have to.
We'll have the capability to provide cross-examination to show that his information is not well-based or something like that.
I think if through cross-examination we can pare down what he says by something that we know they acknowledge, I think we should do it.
And if we can take from him
that we can really damage, you know, of these collateral hives.
If we can really damage them, and I hope we'll be able to, um, which is what we're going to go after on those, and if we damage them on a few of the collateral hives, we'll go over into the other.
So we'll be looking for any...
I think he leaves himself off for a great shot.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But once he admits to the crime, conversely, to his own views, and I sat on it, the State Precinct's conditional.
But anyway, it's where all that one goes.
Uh, he has the immunity to use it in his own case.
He has the immunity to use it on prosecution.
But that does not protect him from his own trading actions, as far as you know.
Oh, is he concerned?
Absolutely does not.
I'm willing to still be despondent.
But the police, the police?
Well, I suspect that police department.
Oh, the committee.
The real act.
Well, where they've been doing this with Maury and his partners.
You know what I'm saying?
Maury's lawyer partner.
They were the man the money got from money.
And their thought is that they did not want him to give him enough advance notice so he didn't retaliate against them.
And I think that's a well taken point.
We all get there early next week.
But not enough time to restore a lot of conversations with fans.
This testimony is apparently one of the most valuable proofs that fans make good witness.
There, that's the committee over to your left.
Yes.
What's the concept?
When do you get excited about your issue?
I don't think he even has the slightest idea.
I talked to him this morning.
I talked to him this morning and asked him for the documents he gave us in the meeting.
And I said, we have to get our compensation.
I said, take the call.
I said, take the call.
I said, take the call.
I said, take the call.
And of course, I had been chatting a bit about a great silver libertarian.
I put up with it, but I can't resist the duty.
After that, he asked me for a copy of the document.
I provided it to the Senate.
I've been in Washington all number of years, surely, but I can't believe the newspaper.
I've never provided any documents to the committee.
This really couldn't come back.
I said, I have to get the book out to Sam Denish.
Whatever documents the newspaper sent, if the committee's not, not mine.
I had discussions with them.
I gave them my hypothesis of Dean's role.
One thing he did, he didn't tell his brother.
But I drew from everything I knew and found out many stories.
And I said, I'll be glad to come up and tell you what this case is all about, just like I did to them.
Anytime you want me to.
And I was just as cooperative as I can.
And I'll come up and tell you what this case is all about, as I said.
And he basically declined.
I get letters from him.
On average, it's one thing.
And I want him back.
Ask him what it is.
Why does he want it?
I think that's really all we've seen.
A lot of the things isn't, you know, good to any mother.
true, you know, the trickier things as we go along, because I would have liked him on the string until we get past this section of the jersey.
Because at that point, I think you're going to be in a much stronger position.
And to take a real hard line, and I believe in the final analysis, we're going to have to really go after the copy.
Otherwise, he's going to be running a winch off the rest of the jersey on the stretcher.
And I think we're going to have to fight tooth and nail any possible way to resign.
If you have a situation with something stupid, and that's where we want to be from, you're overreached.
He does, and we wanted him.
It was like the best chance the community could ever start with him for four years.
I'm saying we can't be stuck with him for four years.
You don't want that fellow in the class.
You're so at some point, we're going to really have to go after him.
You're going to have a lot of suffering.
You've already got a lot of suffering.
I talked to Harry again.
He's been speaking all over the country and wandering around.
And, of course, there is always the internal office of the Corp.
But, uh, he said there's really a lot of sympathy, I'd say, with the President.
Um, and his view is like the same as John Cotton's.
Um, you know, he said you need to do a lot of things for national security, you know what I'm saying?
People are probably who you don't want to be wrong.
Um, so they're perfectly prepared.
Whatever he did, he had good reasons for it.
Great company.
And he said it's very good for safety.
Because he's not going to be able to come to the present.
The present did nothing wrong.
It's just a great year.
Way to go.
So, yeah, of course, there is people who are being fired.
Or shot.
I think he left.
Or shot.
Increasingly they already have.
I've got a lot of people now that have stopped reading the War Gate Study.
They said so many bad things about you and exaggerating in the newspaper at this point.
He'll, hearing Dean on television, will be a very big, uh, protection.
It's gonna be flat.
You hear me from yesterday?
It's gonna put a lot of, it's gonna put a lot of innuendo on him.
If it takes him four and a half or five hours to spell out his kidneys,
He has to use too many words to fill his head.
You know, just the fact that he has to use that much time to draw to life these days is... is not weakened, sir.
You say about cops, they don't even force any words on you.
They're straight in there and go, sir.
Could we fire him?
Okay, you know, yes, sir.
We'll discuss the next thing we're going to do about his jurisdiction in some areas.
I'd recommend the president fire him on that one.
We'd have to support him in how great he did.
We should probably not let him get in unless he wanted to fire him, but we can win that one.
If he will overreach, I'm satisfied he will at some point.
You might have to file your attorney general, too, but I mean, very... realistic about it.
But, uh, did you get any of the rundown of your analysis of the case?
Oh, in very general terms.
In very general terms.
I spent three hours with him on Saturday night.
And, uh, he had a look at it.
I thought it was very non-receptive.
And I put it in a context that could not expect a valid objection.
I thought that we had reports of harassment and inappropriate tactics.
I said, I don't even know who it is they have under investigation.
But, you know, you might have your U.S. attorney sit in on their demons with some of the people they're calling in to make sure that their tactics aren't strong.
They asked to get him back on the truck.
We knew he was a nurse.
And he got his back up.
And I told him, I said, we're going back on the truck.
I don't see anything on the front of it.
He said, I know very well you're taking the call.
I knew before I called you.
We got back on today.
From what I'm saying, I happen to know he wanted to take this call from me and cut it off.
And the telephone company would not do it.
And got a hold of the GSAT to come in to make the wire, or ask them to.
And so I would have no judgment what to do, because everybody in the company were all ready to get at this guy and take him away.
And over half a dozen people were sure that everybody knew.
And I said, everybody in the building, sometimes you're going to pick up a bomb and it's going to know you're taking it and there's no bugging on it.
And they're going to charge you with a technical violation of the law and they're going to spring you in.
He was speaking.
He wanted to.
He said, well, it's customary time.
I said, well, what we want to do here is get it beyond the hill before you can ever get the first bomb to all take it.
The day you had Dave Solomon come in this office and wire him to Jim,
He's gonna do it.
He sure can't do it that way.
He was in a cold over in the building.
He flashed to everybody.
So he didn't.
Um, and his secretary thinking down.
Okay, um, college.
Um, she listened to him.
She put the bomb down.
But when he went over there to take him.
Any questions?
I've told you so many times.
I don't like to be taken seriously.
It's a kind of a static thing with us.
It does give us something to talk about.
It helps us.
It's a calling.
They help.
Are they in the wrong, Lieutenant?
They're in the wrong.
There's somebody else that gets it around quite a bit.
Now Larry Tomlin had some mistakes.
He was with Elliot, and he was pretty good at that.
He was curious.
Darn it, you're calling me too.
You're totally so offensive.
You are one of the victims of this trampoline.
For somebody that has to deal with people, I can visualize handling it.
Well, you can't do it now.
You cannot do it now.
We have to do very careful analysis as we go along.
And, once we make the decision, this is the only way to go.
then we've got to strain cops out and get them out on the forest land to get them.
And I think we will surely get out there.
For us, we've already been about to break down a box of dealing signs that said, you know, tell that, uh, cop that you could have your eviction today.
That is a state offence.
and he has an actual immigration issue because the federal government has an immigration issue.
He said, well, he said, you know, we could go back and claim that that was a violation by somebody in the government of dealing with civil rights or something.
I said, now look, I said, if he goes out on that one, then it's all I can ask for, because I recommend the president fire him.
I'm sure you would get away with it if the country was important.
That's just getting too far out.
Calvert has to hit the curve.
Calvert and Hayden and everybody else.
About what?
He and Hayden, about being touched.
They're having a cell phone attack.
Well, you know, if I had to pick out one man anywhere, that would have been tapped.
That was a national security.
Uh, what?
Isn't that the guy that got you in a car accident?
Yeah.
Why?
Are you suggesting that cops might want to do that in the violation of the law?
A national security check.
I said, well, you know, just make it be our guess.
Because that's the way we'll be able to get around it.
There's no use pulling the boxes off him.
He wants to stop things like that.
And if he really gets into things like that, I think he's got one of the chillest places to go at him.
And there's no place he can go at him.
We've got to go after all that he's captured.
We've got to cut those lists here.
Good.
Some of them.
I've got some of them.
And, um, we're arguing about the others.
I think you'll find, I suppose, I think you'll find that they just kind of want to come tussling with that.
Why?
I don't know.
What others?
What others?
See, the total is, see, I've asked them before, but all of them are from 1969.
I want the names, and this time I want them spelled right.
It just so happens I know a lot of these people.
I know what was going on at the time.
I'll give you one example.
They had somebody in that F, business initial F, Coppella.
And the year was 1962.
Well, I know who that is.
I'm Coppella.
The guy named Frank Coppella was a smut peasant.
And I know exactly why he was paid because he was sending out that yellow sheet across the country.
The country is saying that both Jackson and Bobby Kennedy were sleeping with Marilyn Monroe.
I've seen the sheets.
That's my national security job.
I know where it was.
And I'm satisfied why that man's name would be misspelled.
There are at least five other examples that somebody who wasn't looking carefully wouldn't know that they are because of the way they make them look.
Now, that cannot be accidental.
I'll admit to this.
You know, I just...
This is nonsense.
I know that.
He's not going to talk to me about this.
They put our names out.
We're going to get theirs out.
That's all there is to it.
Well, I really don't think that's it.
Huh?
I don't think you ought to put the names out.
I agree.
I wouldn't get them out.
But you wouldn't get them out.
I've told him.
I haven't said he's going to put the names out.
But I said write to him.
He's going to provide the information.
He says that it will cause such a storm in the FBI and that they will start to select with me.
And I said, if they do, then it's going to be your job to clean up the FBI.
And we got our new man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's not in there yet.
He's not?
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Or was he confirmed?
He was confirmed, yes.
I told you I didn't want to do it.
Why doesn't he want to go into Halpern if he doesn't want to go in?
I don't know.
Halpern is already out.
The fact that he was disposed, the court disposed, that won't help.
I know it won't help, but then this suit shouldn't be dismissed on motion.
Not in this position.
But if the court doesn't,
When you leave the Supreme Court, you need to get your criteria.
Well, if he hasn't been pronounced, that's about all I have.
Well, what's your judgment on that?
So he doesn't, I think he perceives himself, and don't misunderstand me, I think there's a very common point, and I think he has, I think he perceives him correctly, so that on this matter, he has to show objectivity.
From our discussions, there's one that's very clear that in drawing that fine line, we draw it in different places.
I think we can go a little further backwards than is necessary.
I think as time goes on, we will be more responsive.
I certainly hope so, and I believe he will.
You know, that's rocky days with him, but I think he'll realize this time goes on.
He agreed.
He agreed to call cops in and talk to him about the limits of his jurisdiction.
We had a long discussion about this, I think, this week.
How will you ever allow them to get into the, I mean, you're trying to, I don't think you really have to do that.
Allegations against the president.
I can't let you know.
I'm very loud.
I'm not going to stress my feelings.
I didn't know it for a time.
I was just trying to get it in front of him.
He gave me too much of a hard watch.
He watched me follow him.
I don't know.
What do you know?
I don't know what I was doing.
I was just trying to get it in front of him.
Sure.
Well, cops think you'll be there to be here.
I know we're close.
Yeah.
How long this job?
What?
Yeah.
That's the latest.
75.
And, uh, it's 75.
I don't think... Why don't we do, uh, we read... We just can't help this arrest.
We just can't die for them.
We can't die for them.
We can't do it.
We can't do it.
We can't do it.
They've got the information, you know, they've typed people in the other.
Then he's out of business.
And the moment he does that, he's out of business.
That's right.
He's gonna fire, let it go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I frankly think that if the prosecutor wanted to find someone, he's sober, they let him go, but they still don't have something.
Yeah.
They're going to be on the right thing.
They could use his second hand testimony.
They haven't got home.
They think they think so.
I don't know.
I don't know.
They're looking hard at John Ernst now.
They have no prior knowledge of the breaking of the first bridge.
They have this one around John's downtown.
And it's a very unmovable case.
Based on professional knowledge.
But John wrote, I guess, the memorandum, and I haven't seen it, because it's been quoted to me, and it says, uh, a covert operation to, uh, Luke and those very psychiatric doctors.
And there was a blank reach.
And under the bottom, it said provided.
There's no connection with the White House.
So that... Covert operating doesn't necessarily mean a burglary or a rape.
But, you know, it's going to be a question of time.
It's a circumstantial case.
I think they're going to have a very difficult time with those reports.
One of the most recent proceedings said that if a man gave a misleading answer, even though he knew it was misleading, but technically it was actually in response to the question, he was not getting the verdict.
So it's the state of the law.
Where did he give this answer?
Uh, the board of directors.
He asked me about this at the board of directors.
Yes, sir.
And before several Senate committees, the Senate committee is the head of all that.
My church is the committee on the Senate side.
Now, John...
That's right on the house side for the armed services committee.
Half of them.
Just run around and see if there's any.
Just about on the same side for armed services and appropriations for the public and our government.
But either one of those committees will recommend.
I can cut it down to that.
Very interesting.
You know, I have a hard time making pictures.
Let's take a shot of the cyclone.
Let's take a shot of the cyclone.
They have indicted both cases with the serious questions about their ability to convince.
They've got serious questions in the district of Columbia about being able to make a statement.
And they're not worried about their jury ratings here.
You're not worried about anybody that comes out of these administrations and can take a jury here and tell them that they were convinced, but they're worried about the reversal of the law.
I think they're trying to work their way through very slowly.
They've now put Neal, Jim Neal back to work with the prosecutors.
And I'm trying to get the cops hired.
It was in the Justice Department.
The cops were there.
Yeah.
He was the private counsel for the labor leader cooperating with the Justice Department.
On this jury, he told a bunch of one-offs in the meetings with Hoffman.
They offered him protection for the labor leaders.
They tried to use him as a state judge.
If the jury, if the grand jury ever invites, I let them go right then.
I read that's what I do.
But man, that's what he's there for.
That's what he's there for.
You know, he doesn't have to go into trial.
Oh.
He doesn't have to go into the trial.
Now, when he gets into the apartment procedure, because the trial's going to be two years from now,
I think they'll go on at least one of the eels before they ever are fried.
If you can confine him to those of pellet matters, and seriously constrain his fishing expertise, what he can look at, specifically the pellet process, nobody's going to be interested in it.
As long as he can't go around trying to bring up new cases and new grand jurors doesn't get you.
Once he gets that grand juror's vote, then you're gone.
Or he says that he's, uh, charged by any of the violence, uh, or reports with the cops.
Really?
No, but that's in his charter.
There you go.
But, you know, it really does come out on a hill of beans.
What that committee shows is the test on that.
More important than that, or anything.
More important than the power of truth.
The American people are going to form their judgment at the end of this place, and they're going to hear the television and ask questions.
There's no question in my mind.
They're either going to be tight at odds and want something done or they're going to turn it off.
Because as far as they're concerned, as many displays of perspective, they're the ones that are going to bring out the truth.
They're the only ones that can bring out the truth.
And if they can't make the case, the puppets don't.
So what have you tried?
I guess we're in a better position now than we were before.
There'll be some rotten days when I don't think you'll be, you know, I get the sense now.
I mean, you've got a man where he doesn't get too excited.
Settle down.
And he's getting very optimistic at this point.
All right.
All right.
And good shit, he's left now.
He's gone to Denver.
Just trying to get Ed's license.
He's going to stay in telephone contact with, you know, somebody.
Well, I don't know about what you want me to do about this, but you see the difficulty of the second
You can't second on anything if it was war people.
Yeah, but you couldn't call it a second at all.
Uh, on something else that people were saying, saying in order to save the lives of people.
No, Mr. President, there might be a way of so treating that it would be okay to resign on a matter that's purely being framed for.
As soon as he decides he's going to bring a civil rights violation suit against somebody for national security reasons, then you can just tell him, absolutely, we can't do it.
After balls, you stay out of it.
You won't.
You give the orders.
And at that point, he has to back down completely.
Um, he was absolutely cutting my head at that time.
Was he quick, you know, with another, that's fine.
He said, just as far as you've got your indictment, you've got your case, the case is above it, in the open.
Proceed with it.
And, uh, it's that far along, we don't need to space the process with this man.
Senator Geary is behind us.
Do you have a feeling today that the Cox and the Senate committee are somewhat disappointed in what they have found?
I can't judge the Senate committee.
I can't judge the staff.
I've talked extensively to Ash and to Thompson.
They give me some reflection of the committee.
That's a real weird committee.
And Ash, particularly, and Thompson, of course, are very enthusiastic about the fact that neither one of them really thinks that they're going to make the grade on hanging the president.
Who are they going to make a grade on?
Who are they going to...
They still think they're going to be influential.
You know, they're a damage to the testimony.
They still have hopes of, uh...
I agree they're influential.
I mean, they really almost killed them, that's all.
And deemed by... ...associations.
But deemed by the regulation government.
They would like very much to get there early.
They feel very sympathetic to what's going on.
But, personally, it looks like an honest guy.
Bob gave them a wonderful performance in the last interview he had with them.
And... they... John wrote something wrong.
I think that the only thing that could be wrong...
Uh... John is very dogmatic.
Uh... very positive.
Yeah.
My mom's very positive too.
You think John is probably the one that he thought was very, very good?
Yes, he's talented.
You know, in this performance, he gave up there before them.
I remember this year at least twice he told me that he had told me about it.
And I remember saying, well maybe so, but I don't have any recollection.
And he said, so I don't rule it out.
He said, I don't rule it out as a possibility, but I can only figure that I have no recollection of him telling me about this.
You know, well, I did know all of this this year.
And they're inclined to believe the same thing.
But what I'm illustrating here is Bob, instead of saying...
He did not do it.
He's a liar.
He did not.
He's a liar.
Bob says, well, you know, I was busy.
I guess it's possible.
I accept it as a possibility.
But I certainly did not, the first time I ran, because I didn't have any recollection of it.
I don't have that many recollection of it.
And that's a...
It's a much more reasonable way of observing this approach.
It sounds more...
I'd like to get past the Senate hearing before we get it into the public forum.
Maybe we won't be able to hold it that long.
I'm not very diligent when it comes to action.
I don't intend to talk words on behalf of their party.
I've told people I'm sick of it.
I have a small staff.
My preference would be to keep it that way.
We told him, he asked us, would we consider making an inventory?
And we wrote him back, all of our names, all the files.
And we told him, and he said he knew we were, we were disposed of yesterday.
We told him so.
You know, we're basically trying to do a year's return.
And, um, so we told him, by the road, by the way, by the police.
We told him, well, um, it was a very practical, um,
It might take an inventory to take about a year to do it.
Well, no, the only reason, the problem we get in there, Mr. President, the mentally-safety inventory is practical or feasible.
Then it's going to want to say, we'll make the inventory and I'm going to believe it.
And then we're in the problem.
Oh, so we've broken into the hole.
We've broken through the...
The...
Now, we can tell if we've considered these things, because we're kind of keeping in place and hold the consultation as long as possible.
It's as far down the road as we sit here.
They get on their word of witness.
They can't make the case that it's some of our stuff.
There's a few things to test them on.
And we'll get those out there and assume that even if they don't, we'll go before the committee and get them out and help them state them.
But I think as soon as we get the case where it's in, it's clear that Dean didn't pull it off.
They counted him so that anybody else is going to be in.
Well, haven't they really, haven't they really built up Dean to a point where he is a star, golden boy, the whole thing?
Yes.
They've either got to make their case with him.
or they're going to strike out unless they build up Dean as the man that would make the case to one man.
He's a person of truth.
Another thing, too, that I don't mean to go too far, but, uh, with regard to the human rigor also, in the case of the party of the president, the party of the president, they build up Dean.
And then, what I think that here, I must say, and I haven't followed it that closely, but I think that we may have made a mistake.
overplaying everything he has said.
Because I just think that we might have to go back over and deem charge this, deem charge that.
They have.
I don't have raised to people's expectation of what people would say.
Far above anything you can say.
Yes, sir.
I'm still convinced that Dean is worthy of purging.
Or not purging.
That's because U.S.
Immunity doesn't protect against purging, does it?
No, it does not.
And Dean has no purging way of knowing what there is to achieve.
Now we both know that, you know, we don't suffer.
We don't make any complaints.
Um...
I've been very careful not to get into that question, but I've dropped a couple of phrases.
I'm pretty sure you can put them in quote marks, but some of them are, you had a phrase, and that phrase closed the story.
He comes to me, he uses that phrase to other people.
He used that with me, and he also used it particularly with you.
I say he used that with other people.
But when he hears that phrase, and when he hears a phrase of that type, he can't ever be quite sure that that came from somebody's recollection or some kind of bracket.
And he's got a problem.
But there are some who have, personally.
Some of them have.
I don't want to say it back.
I don't know what they want to say.
We're not going to say that we're going to fix the telephone conversation or anything.
But I think the whole place is wired.
Johnson had it all wired.
We're going to say it is and we're going to say it isn't.
We're going to say it is.
The cops is down.
We're not going to use it to pay for anything.
We're not going to use it.
And, uh, but you were afraid to get the bomb taken, too.
In fact, we're on recollection.
It would be inappropriate to drive and come back with a letter from St. Louis.
You can't concede that.
You can't concede that.
He can't concede that that's what it is?
No, he can't concede that it's not appropriate for me to give him my opinion.
So, they can play that in my office.
Frankly, I can't think of anything that would make a better case for him to let him try.
If he wants a compensation, that's the kind of thing you can give him hands down.
And he knows that.
That's the worst possible case.
And you know, if you'd like to try it on the basis of that, it suits us fine.
Unless you've already been slapped down by the court.
I would very much like it if you would do that.
Because in the court,
It turns you down, horrible down.
The more we can think,
I've got this subpoena that's served on me.
And I keep it as a secret.
Because I've always wanted to talk about it.
It's one of the unreasonable things that I've done.
Well, how do you bring Richardson into that conversation?
I believe that we may have to do that.
We may have to.
But the focus of the conversation can be between Richardson and Constance.
And, uh, we've made a compromise.
It depends on how soon we've got it.
I frankly think that if he sees the Dean's testimony go by and bring him here, and he sees the recitation start to come, um, then he can see the end of the jury.
So this way we're more convinced that, you know,
You are the president and if you're going to be the president then he's going to have to work for the president.
I think he will come.
I see the necessity of being less and less in the power.
What?
Johnny Marks?
Okay, he is.
Insensible.
What can be insensible?
You.
When you get to a thousand years.
But, uh, we, uh, the main thing is, next week, the boys run off to the South, Manatee and all that.
I mean, I don't care if he comes off with, uh, eight tapes, we're going to stick around here.
You know, that's the thing.
That's the thing.
He's got to get across the river.
Well, I, I tell him this very, very often.
Because he's got to understand that if he's fooling around with me,
I didn't catch anything.
Look, we have been through the whole business.
We went through the tough part, the final part, the whole thing.
And since that time, we've had every damn thing thrown at us.
And a Dean's story every week, except last week, which is a remake, right?
Oh, my God.
Now the Dean's story is cold.
That's true.
I can give you an example.
He already has.
The matter of...
You said at one point to the staff that you told him that Cooper had told you that you would pass in 1968.
And you said, well, you know, at some point we're going to have to use it.
All right, that's not true.
You know, now, I'm not sure why it's not true.
But it is interesting when it has been construed in a way
No, we'll use it.
Use the facts.
Well, you see, one interpretation is just use the facts.
The other interpretation is wiretaps.
Now, he does things like that to say that he construed that to mean that we'll use the wiretaps.
You see, this is the kind of thing we'll do.
But it's very thin.
Now,
The reason I'm encouraged is this.
Yes.
The reason I'm encouraged is this.
If he has to go to that extent to build his case, then, you know, it won't fly.
He said that he was treated that way.
Yes, sir.
One time, we were right on your news.
Yes, sir.
And the question was, I said, that's me.
Which is a fact.
Mark, go ahead.
As a matter of fact, my brother is going to have to use it for purposes of, uh, get off the magnet.
But, uh, he uses a very nice instruction.
The second thing is the timing is impossible.
If we were going to use it, I mean, I was going to use it, but you used it a long time sooner.
Either one.
Really.
He knows, uh, he's, he's going to be documented.
He's, he's reliant on that.
He knows exactly what he's going to be documented.
But, uh, and then he, he went, as I said, he went to Sullivan.
He talked to her.
Sullivan didn't kill him on that.
Trying to find out what the facts were.
I had no idea what he wanted to do.
Quite a collection.
Ha!
Well, you'll probably throw that in.
This is, this is out, this is Saturday's best time to stand.
That's getting off the track.
That's getting very striking.
I guess if Seth is throwing that in, it means that he, he realizes that this is going to have a great deal of trouble going on the other end.
He might have to restrain himself for this matter.
And if he, you know, the more he stretches his case with things like that, the weaker his case will appear in public.
You know that coming out of it?
That's what happened.
It's in the papers.
What is it?
Yes, sir.
That's in the paper.
That's in the paper.
Stephen said, you told him that Hoover had told him.
Oh, no.
But you know the people, the people won't believe that fact.
They will now believe that Johnson took Johnson's vaccine and I took his vaccine.
And I'm sure they're perfectly prepared to believe this is therefore a fairly routine thing.
And it illustrates to me that if this is the way his statement is constructed, that they really haven't given a lot of thought to the reaction that will be provoked by the things they're putting in that statement.
Well, then that's the misfire.
Well, a lot of that is a sufficient copy of the version.
Although, the fact that it dribbled it out, I don't know how much of it is dribbled out.
So you draw the conclusion from all that.
Well, we're going to wait.
Oh, OK. That's good.
Yeah.
It's the home fire.
It's the home fire.
OK.
It's part of the run.
All right.
All right.
So, uh, it's not that we divide it.
Good luck.
Well, I was a zipper sleeper today.
I'm so busy.
I got to get to work.
I've talked to everyone.
I'm grateful.
Yeah, I know.
I'm trying to get this building in.
I have to keep this free.
I'm trying.
I think that a lot of it seems to be to these guys about us.
But it's a good way to read it.
It's a good way to read it.
It's a good way to read it.
It's a good way to read it.
It's a good way to read it.
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It's a good way to read it.
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It's a good way to read it.
It's a good way to read it.
It's a good way to read it.
It
to link up the other part of it and maybe, maybe the only way to bring it out is in cross-examination.
Maybe that's what we have to hold back on.
But at least in cross-examination, I'm certain that if there's a question to ask, you know, you have to encourage your client that there's item after item that he has to be asked about.
There is some indication or some information that we have that this woman, whatever was left of the three pictures, actually was indeed its physical possession for me.
And that you was handling the payment side to the defense.
And there is no clear indication however much you really want that to be reviewed.
Nobody seems to know.
And I'm not even sure who looked at it.
They took back what they know the first installment.
They took an example of 40 or 44.
And then the rest was just bundled up and taken away and looked to see how it was consistent.
That way, so would Dean.
But in some ways, probably not.
Probably true or not.
And, Buck apparently believes at this point that Dean was right in all the things he was supposed to make.
It's interesting that we found out that on about the 17th of May, Buck sent word through O'Brien, and it wasn't until March of this year or more,
that O'Brien got the word from Hunt that he had to have $122,000.
That's the thing that Dean reported to me.
That's right.
But the interesting part is that O'Brien called Dean and told him that Hunt said he had to have this amount of money, $122,000, right over the sunset.
Then Dean said, all right, I'll take care of it.
That's what O'Brien said.
Bob got the word on the 20th, when they looked at what he talked, that there had been a draft, he should make a pickup.
He went and made the pickup, and he puffs.
Now, he was faithful to his promise.
I'm told he testified before the grand jury that it was $75,000.
It was the 20th, on the 20th.
He testified before the Senate committee.
The same thing, but it was $90,000.
And if you were very upset at that point, because it hasn't been what it was supposed to be, well, the money is now convinced that somebody raped out the money.
They claimed that the money figured out the victim.
I haven't seen the victim.
The dean told me there was a victim on the time.
Well, I don't care.
I may be wrong.
Apparently, messages were sent through business.
But they had arranged the crime.
There was some place that they were foretelling the claim.
Even in some cases, all the room.
It possibly could have been John Caulfield who was actually driving the money off.
Nobody's ever really been this bad.
And Caulfield never stayed driving the money off.
We were just looking.
Maybe he did.
I doubt it.
But at any rate, they passed the word back through business.
That the money was there and picked up.
And Hunter went and picked up the money, quoted it on the desk.
On the 20th, the day before he came in.
So this apparently was the random payment that was ever made.
was on the 20th.
That's what I wanted to cut off.
I thought it was important to try to nail this back.
To show that after Dean told you about the blackmail office, never another back was paid.
You got a good impression of me with how it was handled.
That's what he told you?
What he had to know was that at least he could sell me five or 90,000.
He hadn't been paid the day before.
If he stole a hill, he'd take it.
He would take care of it.
And he'd watch the cops trying to take his money.
And he never told me.
He ordered money first.
He was definitely paying money before that time.
And the amount was decided.
He was telling you?
Yes, sir.
You see, when they asked Bob what to do with the money after election, he nodded at Bob.
Who asked him?
Anthony.
Oh, Bob.
With a strong-ass kidney.
I think Higby asked Bob.
And Bob said, well, the money came from the committee.
You should take it back.
But Higby says, Bob told him, but because they have to report it.
But Jack was dean to make sure that they reported correctly, that it's handled so they can report correctly.
That's Higby's kind of question there.
And Hathaway tells him when did Strong then went to join it around here.
And apparently, what I'm feeling is the name of the man who had it locked by him.
They got the money and Strong picked it up.
Now Strong told Hathaway, then thinks he took it and gave it to Dean.
You know, all of it.
All of it.
And Dean kept it.
And then...
He said it's wrong to tell him that Dean was making payments to the... probably making payments to the finance side.
And that... he asked Carlin about this, and Carlin said, oh, he can't do that.
That's committee money.
And they have to report it.
He can't make payments to the finance on that basis.
And that, at that point, Strong was told to go get the money and take it from him.
Or to tell Dean that that couldn't be done.
So, then he went back to Dean, and apparently got the money, put it in his safe, and sometime later, the real room was part of it one time.
And Strong has a very poor memory about all this.
at this point in time.
I don't know what he'll have with the construction another time he testifies, but... to this point, it's been very late.
What it means, he has told people, and it's not a strong move on our part, it's just, you know, it's a chemical process.
They don't have to, so... What do you think, Scott?
I don't know, but there is a possibility that you'd be there.
Not only a unit, but there's a possibility that it's from all of us.
Great.
Yes, sir.
Right.
And there may be others.
Others?
There may have been a couple of other folks in the meeting.
But not all of them?
No, sir.
No, sir.
But there may have been a couple of them.
And I'm talking about borrowing.
And they're going their best to run all this money down, man.
But they're very, very strong companies.
How many people do you work with tonight?
Um, what's the order?
What's the order?
Order?
I don't know.
Yeah.
They must have an account.
They've got records of the money going in, and they can't establish how the money went out.
That's their problem.
So after that, they work on that side of it.
The committee will ask you this question.
Thompson will ask me a question.
He will.
He's going to hit the bullet on this last time.
He did it just like your aunt asked him.
It's Bernie will to him.
Um, Thompson, you know, I would get the full story if I had an information.
And he followed the persuasion recommendation I gave him.
I told him not to leave him gently for the money.
But the budget dropped in on Sunday.
And then, as you were sitting there rapping off about some of his rapping questions, he'd be like, now, that's your question, Dave.
Are you going to do your rapping questions?
And Fred said, let me ask you something.
And right out of the barrel, where you're at, he said, did you steal the money that you had allocated to the woman that I'm not seeing?
I said, no, I just want to talk about it.
And I said, it was terrible.
I said, no, but I knew something.
And I said, no.
It went from there, and then they broke it out of us.
The actual shop was $15,160.
The car is still headed, all of it.
They put an identical shop, a lot of bucks in them, you know, a big pile of parts in the front of the cabin.
And then you enter in, and after you get out, it's advised to return it.
from, you know, costumes to the pretend.
Right.
And then he started with a pretend.
And then he spent somewhere between $2,500 and $4,000 for the ring alone.
This week, we showed up quite a bit.
He sent his wife out to one of the pre-fertilization branches before they got married.
It cost them $2,500 for the week.
About a month after they were married, some of the Eurobonds came through.
They're all kind of expensive jewelry.
We bought quite a bit of jewelry.
That's why we're pursuing it.
Do they know how?
Yes, they know.
Thompson has hired a man to work this project solely, and I set out with him on FDIH and went through how to do the network, which I can't go back to what it was he was working for, on credit purchases, on the storage, on how that's done.
It's a standard internal revenue approach.
It is.
It is.
And, and it is really plain pallid to me.
You initially want to say, yes, it's worth it.
However, I am saying about this because I do not think that anybody is going to chew on somebody's mind.
So you thought you could get away with this?
Yes.
I thought he'd get away with it this time.
See, here's another thing he didn't tell me.
When he's supposed to be told all on 23rd Street.
Well, he told D'Arnaval on 23rd Street.
Turned out, there's a whole lot of other people.
Yes.
Well, I'm very pleased with the way it's going at this point.
Uh, and Dean's...
I feel pretty well that Dean told the committee.
It's not a thing we have to worry about.
I'll tell you how confident I am.
The other night, Ron got advance word
that they were going to announce on television, calling me, that Dean had a document that indicated the president.
And I was over talking to Mel Heard, talking to him about what happened to the people on the Hill.
And he called me there, and I said,
I got the message.
And so I told the girl, I said, well, it's no pain because it can't be.
You watch television and tell me what it's like down in Jordan, but it got me so stuck.
I wonder who put it out?
Well, they put it out very sharply.
All this stuff is very badly garbled.
Let's get the story long.
Everybody's leaking gunpowder.
Cargo isn't going to make it through.
But one time he came on television and he said he had a problem.
And Fred Thompson is not convinced that not only has Dean not had a bombshell, but that he won't.
And he has talked with Dean's father, Dean Dash, at length about the conversation.
They will not have bombshell.
We have both day and time.
I thought what I told them was my hypothesis.
For the purposes of their process, I think that I agree with what he said.
That's your military school.
Those are, I didn't have any of those.
I didn't have any of those, okay?
Those are those that Thompson says when they wrote it down.
And we're leaving from South Carolina, I think.
You know, they put it on television.
The night of the 1st of February the 28th that anybody was involved.
The night on this day that anybody at the White House was involved.
No credit on anything.
This is the truth.
Yes.
And the way to get it out, I told you to accept it.
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And then suddenly they come to his counsel.
And the counsel is convinced that this, that you go in and try to make a complicated, circumstantial case that you must be found.
But why did you sue me?
I don't subscribe to the 21st.
And then... Why didn't he come in and tell me?
Why would I have jumped out of the chair?
You see what I mean?
He's going to have that.
They're going to have that in their eyes.
Yes.
Now, the next thing is that now our protocol, my protocol is to give them an opportunity to talk 1,000%.
Oh.
Why?
Because of the money?
Well, no, it's because on that first meeting, on that September 15th meeting, I said, you know, we don't know what happened there, but the best I can ask is to tell you.
The real subject of the conversation the team was talking about was something about an IRS investigational aerial fund.
Now, both times in a day, you know, that would be, you know, that could be embarrassing talking about an IRS investigation.
But I'm just trying to give you the best I can with this stuff, even if they're embarrassing, because it has nothing to do with what I'm doing and what I'm talking about here.
My invitation.
Dean came home hard with his meeting on September 15th with an IRS presentation.
Without him asking me, I'll say that, but would anybody's name come up in connection with an IRS presentation?
He said, well, if only one.
They said two.
He said, there is one.
Well, it has a double purpose.
One, it builds our credibility.
Well, second, none of the Democrats want to pursue anything about the IRS.
That's really why I gave it to them.
Because I believe they don't want to go into that IRS office.
I don't believe anybody.
Steve was the one that was following up.
You heard that?
That's right.
He was brought up.
He brought up.
Was that right?
Yes.
But Mr. President, Steve was the one that put off the project.
Oh.
They did have something on that hill, right?
There is something there.
There is?
Yes, sir.
I'll be darned.
You see, I know there was all the time.
I didn't see how it was.
Also, a lot more important.
But, you know, look at every right to look at that.
And it was a report on the last day of the summer and started on that week.
They should look into it.
They look into it.
And we got enough to show them something.
We had to talk about these guys.
We talked about getting somebody there.
The IRS would follow through and all that.
They did.
They found something.
They didn't want permission.
They didn't want anything.
As people begin to amass the information, you have to go in back door at the working level and
They didn't want to get into O'Brien during the campaign.
They thought that they would really get into a political controversy and politicize the IRS.
So they didn't mind it.
They walked away from it.
And we find yesterday that the IRS is a Democrat from top to bottom.
Uh...
Yes?
Yes.
Uh, so...
They, they had something on the run.
We called the check post, and I, I both, when I couldn't see him, we both didn't do something.
We both got to some of that information.
Well, I remember, um, we were, we, but the point I wanted to show you that we were pretty decent about it, but nothing came, we never said a word about it.
Nothing ever came out that came to me.
We called, not a word.
I didn't know about it, but, wait a second.
It was in Bob's pocket.
Oh, I know.
Bob knows about it.
Um, but that is our federal policy, and also we're in front of it.
We're in front of the committee.
They don't want to talk about that.
Um, so that is what happens.
So, I'm convinced the committee, staff at least, and Steve's going to make a fairly
This is one witness comparison with the stories they've had from the press.
Now, that is not to say we won't have a long, winding tale that's going to be hard to live with on Tuesday morning to Monday night news.
Sure.
We all get old.
That's right.
And he's got to reach out and spare everybody.
Everybody is incredible.
Well, let me see.
Who is he going to take on?
They don't.
More.
More.
More.
He's already done that.
Oh, that's what he has to pay for.
Well, of course, I call you all the time.
Call us when you get here in the morning.
Thank you.
I don't think he's talking to me.
I'm not going to talk to him.
I'm not going to see him.
And pay house.
Um, but, Coles was murdered.
So, if he's demanded to be allowed to appear bothering him on the committee and everything else, they don't want to check up on him.
We don't.
That's their thing.
We're not going to check on him.
Why not?
Why doesn't one?
We don't.
Because they think Chuck's way is too rough, and all of them are just a little bit frightened, that when Chuck, you know, they believe his representation, their representation would be in a rough political way.
And digging for information, when everything comes out, it's both those that have a craving for information on Democrats.
And they're rather wary of the fact that he might have found Chuck.
And they know that if we want to stand and never ask him, or anybody ask him,
He'll say it right off.
He'll say it, sir.
And that has nothing to do with the Democrats.
Yes, sir.
And, uh, he'll get into the information and, and things like that.
So, to know about it, you see, there's all kinds of things going on for me.
Uh, it's, it's an interesting phenomenon.
It's, uh, it's a good protection for the job.
Nobody out there is really willing to tangle with him.
It gives him a lot more freedom to give us a hand than he would otherwise have.
You will implicate Mitchell, but I suspect he will go the easiest way.
Right, because Mitchell could do so much for you.
No, no.
Mitchell can't do any good deeds without doing it for himself.
That's right.
Or just give it to him.
Now, what is your present thinking question?
Well, I don't want to.
I don't want to have to be accessible.
And now let's get out of the way.
You don't got to go on television.
I thought that was true.
I must never get in the position of answering.
He calls me an investor.
We discussed that at the end of the day.
Good.
It may be useful at some point, I don't know, you know, after we're over all the hurt, not because it's going to affect the impression that comes out of the sentence, maybe, you know, but as a confidence building thing among the people, you know, for you to have a discussion of some type on progress and on design, you know.
is the kind of thing that I feel I could do so well, would be maybe with three or four reporters that I have behind me.
After the Senate commission finishes this phase of material, after we've had more on, and there's been just about five on, so here's what we call it in my tree.
Oh, and I'm very confident with what you're going to say.
If you want to comment, yes, sir.
It would be a fair thing, in fact.
Well, it sure, sure, sure must be.
Discuss with Dean, Dean.
Oh, is he ever driving in right into the middle of this thing?
No, he's discussed it with Dean.
I expect he's more discussed it with Cox.
I mean, he's talked to pretty much about that right now.
He's disgusted with the whole case.
Because Henry really believes that it's his very best to handle this thing in a responsible manner.
He's very indignant about the implications of the death.
But we don't need to think of that.
That comes with the conclusion.
You're three weeks away.
Until the conclusion of the hearings, I do.
With anything I can foresee at this point, I don't think you should be
in the position of taking any special effort to answer this matter?
I could just say it.
I'll call them again.
I'll do a press conference on more than two matters.
Yes.
And I'll do it on the second one.
I'll call them if you're involved in the process, but I'll have to do it in a different position.
Right.
I think that's just the way I'll do it.
That's what you say right now.
I'll do it.
I'll do it.
I'll do it.
That's the way.
That's the way to handle it.
And and then we should see.
I think the state reporters.
Secret report by seeing report reporters about us being on television.
I mean, I was thinking at a television show.
And I think that's, you know, what kind of format.
to do this sort of thing, I think we'll have to be doing a lot of stuff.
I think sometimes it may be well, after the conference building, after we're out of the woods, as far as, you know, after some of our guys get off.
So it's clear that the Senate doesn't have a case.
They haven't made their case.
But I don't think you need to give us the same answer.
I don't think we're going to have anything to do with the quark.
We need drastic action.
But we would be doing it in the first try.
I think that it is being said.
We've just got to do it.
We've got many classes of truce comments, that's right.
But there are a lot of ways we can go back and make comments without people coming in front of us.
By next week, I'm sure.
I have to see myself.
The White House may have.
It's possible.
I don't think that stuff.
Certainly not after you read this statement.
That's all you have.
That's exactly