{"conversationCode":"448-003","tapeNumber":448,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-448-003","startDateTime":"1973-06-22T17:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-22T17:47:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Jun-1973","startTime":"1:45 PM","endDate":"22-Jun-1973","endTime":"1:47 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On June 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:45 pm to 1:47 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 448-003 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 448-3\n\nDate: June 22, 1973\nTime: 1:45 pm - 1:47 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler\n\n[See Conversation No. 41-41]\n\f                                               -2-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["448-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"448-002","nextCode":"448-004","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":29.14,"text":"They have to, they have to prepare that plate."},{"start":30.07,"end":50.67,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":50.69,"end":50.9,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":50.91,"end":51.12,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":54.18,"end":72.77,"text":"And also, the fact is it isn't a dream."},{"start":72.79,"end":77.34,"text":"The will of the parties to keep this mission and the dreams to keep it a secret."},{"start":77.36,"end":78.82,"text":"And, quite clearly, the depression is next to the will to keep the dream."},{"start":78.84,"end":80.88,"text":"Yes, the will of the parties to keep it, but what is more important, perhaps, is the word we all sign."},{"start":80.9,"end":81,"text":"Amen."},{"start":81.02,"end":81.7,"text":"That's the will to keep the dream."},{"start":81.72,"end":82.47,"text":"That's the will to keep the dream."},{"start":82.49,"end":83.45,"text":"And, therefore, every war starts a great treaty."},{"start":84.22,"end":97.2,"text":"That's the case"},{"start":111.42,"end":118.26,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler engage in a brief, abstract exchange regarding the nature of secrecy, political commitments, and the historical motivations behind treaties and conflict. The conversation centers on philosophical reflections about the necessity of maintaining shared visions and promises amidst political instability. No specific policy actions or administrative decisions result from this dialogue.","topics":["Political philosophy","Secrecy","Treaties","Public relations","Executive communication"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:46:45.102Z"},"topicSlugs":["political-philosophy","secrecy","treaties","public-relations","executive-communication"],"audioDurationSec":125,"audioFiles":[{"file":"448-003.mp3","bytes":3995648,"durationSec":124.72,"bitrate":256295,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.081Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:42.498Z","transcriptGapSeconds":68,"transcriptGapShare":0.54,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/448-003.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/448-003","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/448/conversation-448-003","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}