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Conversation 448-017

TapeTape 448StartWednesday, July 11, 1973 at 2:28 PMEndWednesday, July 11, 1973 at 2:34 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AudioNARA Description

On July 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:28 pm to 2:34 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 448-017 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 448-17

Date: July 11, 1973
Time: 2:28 pm - 2:34 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler

[See Conversation No. 41-61]
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

So, Ron, it occurred to me, uh, that, uh, one of our boys, uh, uh, you didn't mention the fact that I'm just a worker, but, uh, they, they should know they carry the, uh, tree peppers on a daily stream.
They're carrying them, so if I watch, I understand the reason for that, but it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,
And anybody who's bossed into this, this is just, you know, an effort.
We're aware of the struggle, but why don't we just forget about it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know that you can't be, you know, you can't be obvious or mean or proud or something like that.
There are ways for us to be, not the rest of us.
I think that we are aware of the importance of truth.
You might say we're gonna score some calls Okay, all right Yeah
You might think, of course, fighting is worth it, but we probably can't do it without it.
It's not that playing about it is so important.
No, I was the one who stopped them from putting it out.
You know?
Sure.
Sure.
I didn't have to do it.
There, see, I'll do that every time.
Good.
Good!
You won't be very articulate, but you'll be very believable.
Getting worse and worse and worse.
Alright?
Cut closer, yeah?
Who's after him now?
Whiter.
Thurman.
Thurman.
Thurman.
They don't want them on there if you don't want to do that.
That's what it seems to me.
You know what?
For God's sake, can't be invited.
And why don't they want Mitchell on?
You don't know why.
They don't want good weapons on them.
Trying to get in the hell off of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Or tomorrow, too.
Thank you.
You should know that.
How does it start?
How does it begin?
How does it end?
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