{"conversationCode":"449-005","tapeNumber":449,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-449-005","startDateTime":"1971-09-21T15:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-21T15:38:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1971","startTime":"11:33 AM","endDate":"21-Sep-1971","endTime":"11:38 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Butterfield, Alexander P.; Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, Manolo;","description":"On September 21, 1971, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:33 am and 11:38 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 449-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 449-5\n\nDate: September 21, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 11:33 am and 11:38 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nAlexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull and Manolo Sanchez met.\n\n     President’s location\n\n     Bull's call\n\nButterfield, Bull and Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:38 am.","filename":["449-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:42:41","tapeEnd":"00:42:46","participantsList":["Butterfield, Alexander P.","Bull, Stephen B.","Sanchez, Manolo"],"prevCode":"449-004","nextCode":"449-006","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":4.91,"text":"You're aware of the power she's got, so I can't even tell you what's going to happen."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office to coordinate administrative logistics regarding the President’s location. The participants discussed a phone call initiated by Bull while managing scheduling uncertainties. The brief interaction concluded with the group exiting the office to facilitate ongoing operations.","topics":["Oval Office logistics","White House administration","Scheduling","Presidential movements"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:48:45.104Z"},"topicSlugs":["oval-office-logistics","white-house-administration","scheduling","presidential-movements"],"audioDurationSec":5,"audioFiles":[{"file":"449-005.mp3","bytes":200407,"durationSec":4.87,"bitrate":329290,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/449-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/449-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/449/conversation-449-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}