{"conversationCode":"449-009","tapeNumber":449,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-449-009","startDateTime":"1971-09-21T16:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-21T16:17:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1971","startTime":"12:14 PM","endDate":"21-Sep-1971","endTime":"12:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 449-009 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 449-9\n\nDate: September 21, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 12:14 pm and 12:17 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Meeting with the International Seminar on Illicit Drug Traffic and Abuse\n               -The President's statement\n                      -Sponsors of seminar\n                           -US\n                           -Canada\n                           -France\n                                 -Language\n                      -Translation\n               -Photo opportunity\n               -Number of attendees\n               -Presidential gifts\n                      -Cufflinks\n\nThe President and Bull left at 12:17 pm.","filename":["449-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:14:38","tapeEnd":"01:16:30","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"449-008","nextCode":"449-010","transcript":[{"start":4.35,"end":22.45,"text":"This is a continuing seminar on the 13th and 24th, which was sponsored by the U.S. Senate in France."},{"start":22.47,"end":23.63,"text":"You're not really expected to say very much to them."},{"start":23.65,"end":24.85,"text":"In fact, some of them donated speaking."},{"start":24.87,"end":29.56,"text":"Later on, after the rest of the room, someone will paraphrase in French to some of the French Canadians in French what you said, sir."},{"start":29.58,"end":32.4,"text":"But it's really just a press photo just to thank them for their continuing work on this."},{"start":33.59,"end":44.89,"text":"Just for the photograph that you had with this group."},{"start":44.91,"end":51.24,"text":"But they don't expect anything other than for you to come in here for just a moment, sir."},{"start":51.26,"end":52,"text":"We're all ready to join the meetings."},{"start":52.02,"end":52.3,"text":"They're a lot."},{"start":52.33,"end":52.79,"text":"They're a great number."},{"start":52.81,"end":53.13,"text":"They're 35, sir."},{"start":53.15,"end":53.59,"text":"I won't meet you then."},{"start":53.61,"end":53.77,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":53.79,"end":55.21,"text":"We'll get a little bit of some confidence afterwards in the department."},{"start":55.23,"end":55.57,"text":"But this is true."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate logistical arrangements for an upcoming photo opportunity with attendees of the International Seminar on Illicit Drug Traffic and Abuse. Bull briefed the President on the group's composition, the requirement for French translation, and the expectation that the President provide brief remarks and commemorative cufflinks. The meeting served to finalize the brief protocol for the interaction, confirming that Nixon would not be expected to deliver an extensive address.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","International Seminar on Illicit Drug Traffic and Abuse","Protocol","Public relations","Drug policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:49:08.173Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","international-seminar-on-illicit-drug-traffic-and-abuse","protocol","public-relations","drug-policy"],"audioDurationSec":62,"audioFiles":[{"file":"449-009.mp3","bytes":2483509,"durationSec":61.94,"bitrate":320779,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/449-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/449-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/449/conversation-449-009","catalogNaId":417178961,"catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/417178961","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}