{"conversationCode":"449-013","tapeNumber":449,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-449-013","startDateTime":"1971-09-21T17:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-21T18:30:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1971","startTime":"1:40 PM","endDate":"21-Sep-1971","endTime":"2:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:40 pm and 2:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 449-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 449-13\n\nDate: September 21, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 1:40 pm and 2:30 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull[?].\n\n     Note from the President\n          -Virginia H. Knauer\n\nBull [?] left at an unknown time before 2:30 pm.","filename":["449-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:35:59","tapeEnd":"02:37:00","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"449-012","nextCode":"449-014","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":7.27,"text":"There's no such thing as an hour in the end of the resource."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to discuss administrative concerns and handle specific directives regarding Virginia H. Knauer. The discussion focused on the President's personal notes concerning Knauer, indicating an interest in her professional activities or future status. The meeting concluded with Bull tasked with administrative follow-up based on these presidential instructions.","topics":["Virginia H. Knauer","White House administration","Presidential directives","Staff management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:49:31.627Z"},"topicSlugs":["virginia-h-knauer","white-house-administration","presidential-directives","staff-management"],"audioDurationSec":7,"audioFiles":[{"file":"449-013.mp3","bytes":294448,"durationSec":7.23,"bitrate":325756,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/449-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/449-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/449/conversation-449-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}