{"conversationCode":"449-015","tapeNumber":449,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-449-015","startDateTime":"1971-09-21T18:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-21T18:57:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Sep-1971","startTime":"2:35 PM","endDate":"21-Sep-1971","endTime":"2:57 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On September 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:35 pm and 2:57 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 449-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 449-15\n\nDate: September 21, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 2:35 pm and 2:57 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n     The President's trips\n          -William P. Rogers\n                 -Attendance\n                       -Anchorage\n                       -Montana\n                 -Foreign policy issues\n                       -Oregon\n                       -Editors\n          -Domestic policy issues\n                 -Oregon\n                 -Staff\n                       -John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz","filename":["449-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:46:47","tapeEnd":"02:48:30","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"449-014","nextCode":"449-016","transcript":[{"start":6.39,"end":19.36,"text":"if he was going to go, do it separately or go with us?"},{"start":25.57,"end":30.09,"text":"Is he going with us to Montana too?"},{"start":30.11,"end":36.08,"text":"You know, if he wants to, he might go up there and give those, if he wanted to pay us up in a hurry,"},{"start":36.95,"end":51.93,"text":"Go out and get a little foreign policy pitch, you know, for those editors."},{"start":51.95,"end":55.84,"text":"Who's going to be there to do the domestic one?"},{"start":55.86,"end":59.38,"text":"Well, that's good, Tim."},{"start":59.4,"end":59.94,"text":"That's good proof."},{"start":59.96,"end":61.59,"text":"But I don't know."},{"start":61.61,"end":61.97,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":61.99,"end":62.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":62.11,"end":62.33,"text":"Well, yeah."},{"start":62.35,"end":64.95,"text":"I agree."},{"start":64.97,"end":65.27,"text":"That's enough."},{"start":65.29,"end":65.39,"text":"Okay."},{"start":68.85,"end":76.21,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":76.23,"end":77.35,"text":"Yeah, fine, whatever you want, son."},{"start":77.37,"end":77.58,"text":"Okay, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman coordinated travel logistics and messaging strategies for upcoming presidential trips to Anchorage, Montana, and Oregon. They discussed the involvement of Secretary of State William P. Rogers, specifically debating whether he should join the President to deliver foreign policy briefings to regional editors. The discussion also addressed the assignment of domestic policy representatives, including John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz, to balance the administration's public outreach agenda.","topics":["Presidential travel","William P. Rogers","Foreign policy messaging","Domestic policy","Public relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:49:42.994Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-travel","william-p-rogers","foreign-policy-messaging","domestic-policy","public-relations"],"audioDurationSec":79,"audioFiles":[{"file":"449-015.mp3","bytes":3178367,"durationSec":79.33,"bitrate":320513,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/449-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/449-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/449/conversation-449-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}