{"conversationCode":"450-022","tapeNumber":450,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-450-022","startDateTime":"1971-02-17T22:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-02-17T22:26:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Feb-1971","startTime":"5:25 PM","endDate":"17-Feb-1971","endTime":"5:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On February 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:25 pm to 5:26 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 450-022 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 450-22\n\nDate: February 17, 1971\nTime: 5:25 pm - 5:26 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler\n\n     Previous press conference\n          -Laos\n          -Integration\n          -North Vietnam\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under deed of gift 08/08/2019. Segment cleared for\nrelease.]\n[Privacy]\n[450-022-w001]\n[Duration: 28s]\n\n     John [last name unknown] attendance at forthcoming dinner with the President\n          -Separated from wife\n                 -Wish to bring a different woman as escort\n                      -The President’s response\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nZiegler left at 5:26 pm\n\n                                                                    Conversation\n                                                                    Conv. No. 450-25\n                                                                                 No. 450-23\n                                                                                     (cont.)\n\nDate: February 17, 1971\nTime: 5:26 pm - 5:53 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with John D. Ehrlichman and Daniel J. Evans; the White House photographer\nwas present at the beginning of the meeting\n\n     Supersonic Transport [SST]\n          -President’s position\n          -Impact on economy\n          -Importance\n          -Administration efforts\n\n     Hanford nuclear reactor\n          -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]\n                -Funding\n                -George P. Shultz\n                -Status\n                      -Evans’ meeting with Donald B. Rice\n                           -Evans’ concerns\n                           -Seattle power supply\n                -OMB decision\n                -Evans’ efforts\n                -Funding\n          -Effect in Washington state\n                -Funding\n                -Evans’ view\n                -Employment\n                -Future developments\n          -Administration efforts\n                -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger\n                      -Budget\n\n     Revenue sharing\n         -Administration’s position\n         -Importance to people\n         -Importance to local and state government\n         -Problems\n         -Benefits\n         -Federal bureaucracy\n         -Opposition by establishment\n         -Welfare reform\n               -Effect\n               -Administration’s efforts\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 08/02/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[450-023-w002]\n[Duration: 2m 9s]\n\n      Revenue sharing\n            -Welfare reform\n                    -Conversation with John D. Ehrlichman\n                          -Executive Office Building [EOB], Christmas 1970\n                          -Jerrold L. Schecter [?]\n                          -$90 million\n                                  -Devoted to change\n                          -Last half of 1971\n\n      Dean Rusk\n            -Embarrassment in 1968\n            -Liberal staff\n            -Tearing up of defense\n\n      Possible nomination of Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy\n             -The President’s opinion of prospects\n                    -Democratic Party\n                    -Position on Vietnam\n             -John D. Ehrlichman’s opinion\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nEvans left at an unknown time before 5:53 pm\n\n     Health insurance\n          -Health maintenance organizations [HMO]\n                      -Edgar F. Kaiser\n                      -President’s position\n                -Kaiser Permanente Plan\n                      -Focus\n\n     Appointments\n         -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]\n               -Myles J. Ambrose\n                     -John N. Mitchell’s view\n                     -Richard G. Kleindienst\n                     -John B. Connally\n               -Jerris Leonard\n         -David Norman\n         -Peter M. Flanigan\n               -Work effectiveness\n                     -Efforts\n               -Role\n               -William P. Rogers\n         -Michael Collins\n               -Air and Space Museum\n         -Judgeship for unknown men\n               -Wallace H. Johnson\n               -Thomas J. Dodd\n               -Kleindienst\n         -Dr. James R. Schlesinger\n               -Rogers C. B. Morton’s view\n         -Ambassadorial positions\n               -Flanigan\n               -John W. Rollins\n               -Frank J. Shakespeare\n               -Fred J. Russell\n                     -Qualifications\n\n     Revenue sharing\n\n          -Administration efforts\n              -Democrats\n              -Hubert H. Humphrey\n                    -Conversation with Ehrlichman\n                    -Legislation\n                    -Possible conversation with President\n\n          -Domestic policy\n\n     Revenue sharing\n         -Administration’s position\n         -Clark R. Mollenhoff\n         -Public support\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:26 pm\n\n     Schedule\n          -Dr. W. Kenneth Riland\n          -Instructions\n                -Henry A. Kissinger\n                -Rose Mary Woods\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 5:53 pm\n\n     Farm policy\n          -Robert J. Dole\n                -Efforts\n          -White House gala\n                -Compared to White House Labor dinner\n                -Possible program\n                -Public relations\n                      -Film\n          -Hyde Park\n                -Possible appointment\n          -Importance of farmers and farm vote\n                -Dole\n                -Support for President\n          -Staff assignment\n                -John C. Whitaker\n                      -Dole\n\n     Wage and price controls\n         -Shultz\n         -Cost of Living Council [COLC] action\n         -Herbert Stein\n         -Administration position\n              -Wage controls\n                     -Construction\n         -George W. Romney\n         -James M. Hutton, III\n         -Businessmen\n\n     Schedule\n\n     Media\n         -Los Angeles Times\n\nEhrlichman left at 5:53 pm","filename":["450-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:34:23","tapeEnd":"03:36:10","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"450-021","nextCode":"450-023","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":19.98,"text":"One thing we haven't quite understood is your answer to the force integration matter."},{"start":20,"end":22,"text":"It's really very clear we're laying that out."},{"start":26.52,"end":34.81,"text":"Well, I can't listen."},{"start":34.83,"end":35.99,"text":"Relation to that."},{"start":40.51,"end":63.69,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":68.42,"end":72.22,"text":"We'll be right back."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Ronald L. Ziegler to briefly discuss public relations surrounding the President’s recent press conference, specifically regarding Laos, integration, and North Vietnam. Additionally, the two addressed a minor logistical matter concerning an escort for a guest attending an upcoming White House dinner. The brief exchange focused on managing the administration's messaging and event protocol.","topics":["Press conference","Laos","Integration","North Vietnam","White House protocol"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:52:30.228Z"},"topicSlugs":["press-conference","laos","integration","north-vietnam","white-house-protocol"],"audioDurationSec":101,"audioFiles":[{"file":"450-022.mp3","bytes":2435029,"durationSec":101.4,"bitrate":192119,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/450-022.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/450-022","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/450/conversation-450-022","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}