On February 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Daniel J. Evans, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:26 pm to 5:53 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 450-023 of the White House Tapes.
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You've got to, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to,
Well, I was going to give it a go, but I don't think it's a bad idea, but I'm really slow at that.
I put in an innovation of 150,000 jobs, $6,000 to $10,000 tax revenue, $20,000 at least.
...for exchange, and as the environmental policy can be solved, for the end of the plenty of money we do have, and the United States in pursuit, to take it easy, just to be ready for us to find out how we are going to quit the inversion now.
It's ridiculous.
You look like Mr. Paul is working.
You talk for the press.
You're home.
You go here.
I want you to say, I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I don't know if you can see it.
I don't see it.
Where is it?
Where is it?
Where is it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let's just say that he, you know, we've been around him at a bar a number of times, and that John will tell you what he feels about him, and, yeah, I mean, it's funny about him, and I'd like to do it if you can, but...
I'm so concerned about the loss of power.
The loss of power is a concern that we've been offering to pay $100 a year additionally to the media.
over the power in Tunisia, and that we just need to make a difference at the end of the stage, because, you know, we have a really real target.
We're, you know, right now, we're, we're, we, with all the power, with all the things that we've got, and the growing thermal power we've got in the Midwest, we are, we are in order of resource, of energy, of energy generation.
And so, you know, we've got to work these enormous, uh,
for which we're willing to pay a few 15 million dollars for that, per year.
And then that will give us time to get the necessary design and analysis to do it on a single purpose, and take over and run it ourselves.
Dr. Rice was very grateful to the president.
He said that this presentation had given us information they hadn't had, and that they had allowed him to sit there and watch what you see.
Apparently he had some other criteria, too.
Yeah, they had to figure out how to play, how to extend it.
I'm sure one of the other things is just the hand.
And of course, we destroyed the southern airspace of the interstate line.
And it took a minimum time for that to get back to the hand production.
So we're at a stage now where we can't even get back the power on the machines in California.
And I think it's a great question of whether there is any alternative to the loss of the reactor in Jersey Bay Park, which is part of the place.
It was questionable before, and I was terrified.
And I was in Los Angeles, there to pray, and talk to some of the government, and I said, this is Christmas.
Switching operators.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
That would help some.
We see the signs, you know, over the line.
Well, I don't know about our life, but our insurance unemployment rate was just under 12% for the statewide business.
Now that seems to be just about right back at it.
If that decision stands, we estimate that for that whole Tri-City area, it's got a decent portion to be under 113, so you keep 20-25%, which is, you know, just devastating.
It's kind of crazy.
But, I need to put a hand in her.
You know, there's a way to make this thing work, and what we brought back in terms of new material and the financial aid,
That works, and we're able to, you know, help, to our department, to LSU, and SSE, and Carpentry, and Psychological Equity.
We're back on the scene here, and I think we'll see people begin to understand them.
During this past year's federal time, we asked them to block the rate of savings, and in 1997 it was 2.2 billion, and by the end of the year it was 2.8 billion.
So there's another half a billion dollars of savings and planning that's dreaded, and people just are afraid of the sand.
And we can get that cycle off, and we've got this scene over the market, and I think we've got a half a billion dollars, too, under that set of savings for the highest in 20 years.
And there's not that big of a $40,000, $40,000 loss to the economy.
Well, they're very sensible how they do it.
They take these things out of the stock market generally.
And that's far more than we realize these days.
Because there's so many people in it.
And the market's hanging around now around 8.90.
My colleague at 6.30 is going to get in the air at 1.70, 2.00, 2.00, 1.70.
Their gunners will have to be in the market.
No.
Don't get this.
No.
I just get one chunk of corporate bonds.
I don't need nothing to do whatsoever.
I can't do anything with anything that I can get from them.
I just got to get those to get out of the market.
Everybody is so afraid that it's going to become that cold.
And they're afraid to be honest.
So we came up with a very good figure.
It said there could be over 4,000 homes on the market with a plan.
And many of them said it's insured.
So we've got to watch this hand for it.
I want you to talk about it, John, because it's a big problem.
Plus the fact that for this next year, they had Ronville to put clean in the box in their budget to purchase.
for the purchase of power, you can just take that and do it.
I mean, because they've got a contract to meet, and they've got a problem somewhere here, they can possibly get it, and they purchase it, and they can produce it.
What's the situation?
You're sick, and you're retired, and you're having great PhDs, and so forth, and you're not a PhD, but a technician, and so forth, and I'm like, what in the world are you looking for in this whole situation?
...recovery, and they are so devoted to the living conditions, and that's part of it, and it definitely will not be at a loss.
And one of the important things, I think, at the end of this three-year gap, is that Enoch has a highly trained group of operators, and they operate a nuclear reactor and a power reactor.
And they are the people we are going to be in the future.
And in fact, I had one press conference, I had the nomination of commenting, because that was the day to have commenting on the closure of the bar record handlers.
At the same time, I was receiving officially the application for handler number two.
which is our next nuclear power reactor going into action.
Another part of our supply system, this is our local agency.
In about three to four years, they will be hiring operators, but it's interesting to see the kind of people who run this second reactor.
If we dissipate this great strength in terms of how we're doing it right now,
In three years, before the most weather, it doesn't believe it.
If we have an opportunity to raise the gap, I think the community has done it.
Part of the job over the period of the last several years has been bridging the gap as each of the nuclear reactors has been cut back.
We have diversified and kept new companies in there.
But one of the new big industries is Patel.
And they are talking about letting 500 research people go.
Because, you see, the last few reactors closed down, well, they had 80, 80, 80.
Their research, much of it, has been trying to source some way to get that source of material, because that's what they're researching.
And you close them down, and they have nothing to go through.
Our parents, they're just in the possibility of getting some source there, which would assist.
Well, what a day for us, John.
Well, let me just let you sit here for a minute.
We must really let you sit here for a minute.
Off the top of your head, you know this guy, I haven't.
We've just strapped her out here together.
We've, uh, we've been sitting here last year.
I'm sorry to hear that, but you know who my husband is?
He speaks in the front line.
But I hope you don't bruise him, kick him hard.
If you hear what you're out of at that time, put it on the line.
The express car gets in the way of the establishment here.
The establishment never wants to do it.
I said Peter Berg has summoned the guys out on the ballot with the folks, the governors, the mayors, the county officials.
They're a majority of the people of Portland, so it's really going to happen.
I didn't mention it, but I'm sure some of you did.
It's just timeline.
The time has come, and I think this year right now, I drove down the road through all of my...
That they can be seen in this or any record-sharing, both kinds, of whole concept.
The difficulty at the present time, as I've said, is it's a paper federal account.
For three reasons.
One, it costs too much.
Two, it doesn't work.
And three...
They don't have enough to say about it.
They can't do anything about it.
Now, what are our interests?
One, it reduces the cost.
Two, it helps to make it work.
And three, it gives the people something to do about it.
Now, for that reason, it doesn't need money so much.
By the time people can do a lot more about the guy who's the governor, or mayor, or county commissioner than he can, frankly, the federal bureaucracy,
All this jams came back to mind and caught right in my heart.
Now you ride when you get a chance.
You know, sir, you know that... Cut it with her, then.
She's just too far away, you know.
The rest of you never really care whether she goes to school, middle school, or teaches.
Takk.
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
Skulle vi gå inn i en highway?
Eller inn i en garage?
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
Skulle vi gå inn i et ruralt program, eller et stedprogram, eller et ruralt bevegelse, eller et stedbevegelse, eller et stedbevegelse, eller et stedbevegelse, eller et stedbevegelse, eller et stedbevegelse?
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
Nå skal vi gå inn i det yngre termet.
In the past 20 years, local debt has gone up 600% in 20 years.
And property taxes in the last three and a half years, and those are the only ones, except for the sales tax, but really the only ones people know anymore, is all the rest comes over at the turn of the century.
So property taxes have really paid their bill twice a year.
He had gone out two and a half, and now he's in 10 years.
That's the next line.
Down there, he does something.
The only way to stop him is reverting him.
And that's why he did it.
What can you do about it?
And what can you do about Trump if he's going to win?
If he is that guy out there, he is out.
I don't like the way you're doing that.
If you thought I could kill the rascals out, you can't kill all the rascals you're speaking about.
Not the elected congressmen, Senator Drew.
We only come to put an end to all.
The moral of the injury is the same.
If you're armed with too many, your name is the same.
They're all lying to each other.
The idea that somebody would say it's the two-handed labor forces.
Of course they're the forces.
They're part of the establishment.
They're part of the establishment.
The businessmen, they're part of the establishment.
But the establishment is wrong.
It's time to change.
And now is the time to change.
Why?
We're on the side of the agency that's trying to apologize for changing the report center.
And I think the Democrats are at least cutting themselves, trying to figure out how to respond.
Let me have a look at the other thing.
No, I certainly agree with that.
Of course, I think the two most, you know, the domestic programs we've had for, I don't know, a couple of years, you know, we've had more of our revenue sharing in the 12-year-old program, and I think there's a lot of area to help with.
It's going to be a long time, and I'm still on the track of that, but I think it's going to be a long time here.
In other words, you need to not be short of quality.
In other words, it's correct that it's wrong to destroy the basic of the whole world.
But, why don't you go and provide a very catastrophic deal for the city, and then you see that you've done the other approach, and then you show the compulsion.
First, we can't afford it.
Second, we can't destroy the quality of the world.
And then that's all we can do.
That's all we can do.
Well, I'd like to say what it was all about today.
We had a rotors business man across the house of people.
They brought out a boy and a daughter.
And he said, just like I said today, of course he said he was proud that he had something to do with it, but he said, you have the best domestic program in the world.
You're gone.
My mother is dead.
You're gone.
You're gone.
You're gone.
And you also need to remember that you've got the words.
Don't forget them.
All of you need to remember them.
All right, we're ready for the traffic.
All right, we're ready for the traffic.
We have now narrowed down the Vice President's problems on this thing, the one issue, and that is whether we can include these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser's permanently thing.
The Vice President just cannot see it.
We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain it to him and help him understand it.
He frankly says, well,
I don't think they'll work, but if the president thinks it's a good idea, I'll support him 100%.
Well, everybody else has done something very strong, and that's that we go with it.
And he's the one holdout that we have, and the whole office, and the whole audience.
Let me tell you how I am.
This is a private enterprise.
And the reason he can do it, I had a supervisor come in and talk to me about this.
And I went into it some day.
All of the incentives are toward less medical care, because the results will be the less care they give them, the more money they make.
On LEAA and the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, there's been a very interesting development.
John Mitchell called me a while ago and said, you know, I was for Ambrose for LEAA.
He said, we have had long talks with Ambrose, and we're not sure that he's loyal to the president.
He said, we have very serious doubts, and both Dick Kleindienst and I recommend very strongly, that he not be considered for either position.
How the hell did he know this before?
He said, heck, I don't know.
Why wouldn't he?
What kind of things were they talking about?
They could not get him to commence to stay for any particular length of time.
They had the feeling that he was just trying to find a stepping stone to get him into a better position for work.
And so Mitchell says, I won't have it.
And he says, I would not recommend it, commonly taken.
Now I said, what are you going to do about LEA?
And he said, I'm going to move Jerry Leonard over there.
He said, I want to get him out of civil rights.
He can't get in any trouble with LEA.
And he said, I'll put him there.
He said, I will put a fellow named Dave Norman in as acting director of the Civil Rights Committee.
He's a Republican.
He's more conservative than Jerry Lankford.
So, I said, well, that sounds good, but I'll run by the president.
Right now, we don't have any nominee yet.
So, that's still an open question.
No, no, no.
I haven't even...
I haven't even...
I wish you could get...
I haven't got a very long response yet.
Yes, I have, and you know, I thought it was a good idea, and then I had lunch with a bunch of businessmen that Pete had in some way, and the head of Western House, a bunch of guys, and he is great with those guys.
He knows how to handle those guys like nobody else.
Well, if you look at here, that's the point.
We don't have anybody else around here who can really look at the ground.
It's taking a bad route for all reasons.
We need to get up here.
Well, I'm sort of infatuated this afternoon because I just sat there and marveled at the way he played these guys against somebody else.
I think he is.
I think he is.
I don't mean to say that this needs to be conclusive.
It may be that Peter went over to somebody else and wanted to do this.
Well, or he can have him over there.
We can use him over there to have some of these businessmen groups, and we'll close it, you know, in that way.
Because we're in my mind.
Thank you.
So, we have an astronaut at the State Department in college.
Well, he would like to become the head of the Smithsonian Museum of Air.
You have no objection to that, I take it?
Okay.
I call him.
No, but we can announce it, and actually the Smithsonian would appreciate it if we made him like us.
Because they'd like to upgrade this museum for the next public eye, so we can handle that.
While we've done this, Judge, remember I told you one time, the Senator about camp wheeling.
The Bar Association will blast us, and Dick Lange says that in view of the fact that he's turned down so many other Senators, he would have to resign.
What do you point at this guy?
So, we just have to do it, and that's underway, but I wanted to just...
What would you think about Jim Schlesinger as Undersecretary of the Interior?
Morten Watson, Morten Watson and everybody's high odds.
Excellent, he deserves it.
The only problem is, as you know, he's the most stubborn.
I've told Morten that.
He's going to have COVID.
He is as hard as the other fall.
Well, that's in the works.
And Clannigan said that as well.
Now, here's what he said.
He says, the ambassador to Australia is John Rawlings, man.
I know.
The ambassador to New Zealand is the wrong number.
And he's Frank Shakespeare's friend.
And Peter says that it's between the two.
The better swap is New Zealand.
Because of all the trouble we have with Rawlings.
Frank Shakespeare.
Yeah.
Wow, that's it.
He said he's bad news.
And so...
Not yet, but Peter's working on that, you see.
And so, probably Monday, we'll have Fred Russell come in to say goodbye to you, and you can make the offer to him, and we'll work out pretty well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ok, the other thing is that we have not yet been able to crack the Democrats on revenue sharing.
They are milling around like a bunch of confused cattle.
They don't know what to do, but we think we can get Uber country.
And if we want to get Hubert Humphrey to co-sponsor revenue sharing, then we're going to be able to start to practice that.
It becomes very, very important.
Now, I've talked to Hubert Humphrey, and he said he would support us, but I think it will take your intervention on it.
He has a bill on revenue sharing.
It's not very different than ours.
It's some different.
It's not as good as ours.
And I think if you asked him, that he would go.
Okay.
Okay.
Like Mr. Carr, the president's only got one, but that's the question.
Yeah, I overheard that suburban housing has an old ad for some crap.
I think you might be right.
It's quite odd, but still, I think you have to turn it on.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Now this guy has to go this way.
He's basically livid himself.
We'll put him on the road.
He can go around and talk to those same people Lindsey talks to.
Our greatest strength is we've got governors, senators, I mean governors, mayors, county officials, the other charges, 75% of the people.
I've got that in my heart.
Don't worry about it.
I've got these people squealing.
Where's squealing?
They don't know what to do.
I can see them expressing prayers.
I can see them running around.
I can see them using their body signs.
Oh, they're on my way.
Oh, yeah.
I've got Orion.
I'm going to go ahead and deal with somebody else that I'd like to play with.
I'm going to find out what your name is.
I'm going to see if you can take care of me, Henry, or Rose, or somebody else.
I'm going to get out of the order in about five minutes.
All right, sir.
I was trying to ask you about Pearl, for what the hell you can do about it.
You know, I'm trying to find a White House solution to enter for America, but we've got to do something for the poor farmers.
You know, they're going to kill us, the farmers.
We've got an action program that Bob Dole has worked out that we're going to work with him on.
It's a whole series of little plans.
But such things as having the heads of the farm organizations in and talking to them about what their desires and suggestions are and that kind of stuff, it's just extravagant.
It's like a sleuth in American agriculture.
It's not a bad idea.
We had it related.
They've got a real damn fine dairy called Trey's Agriculture, what it does, and farming all the fall.
We're the best fed nation in the world now.
We've got our farmers signed up.
So, I'm going to have it filled.
Send it to every grain.
There we go.
As you know, we missed getting Hyde Murray, and we've got to get a good, full-time White House man.
Are you still working on a course?
Not quite yet, but very much part-time.
No, no, no.
There's a man that I used to know that went with me as the agricultural advisor to the Herder Committee, 47th and 48th agencies.
Ok. Ok.
He'll find out who it is.
Yeah, one that went to the bus, me and a herd of committee, is an agricultural man, apparently.
And since then, he's probably making a potful of money.
Well, we'll find out where he is.
We'll find out where he is, and see if we can get him.
But we feel that, but also the National Committee is very much going to get into this.
And Dole, of course, is very interested in it.
So we're going to use his talents and whatever he does, we're going to use those farm states and American farms.
A lot of people related to the farmers, and let's face it, they've always been our friends, and we're going to keep going.
We're not losing them.
Well, we currently have a friend in La Jolla, and a friend in Arlington, and Southern, and Ohio, and Montana.
They all play in the farm mode, and it has a hell of an effect in Ohio, and Indiana, and Illinois, and the rest of Minnesota, you know.