{"conversationCode":"452-008","tapeNumber":452,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-452-008","startDateTime":"1971-02-19T17:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-02-19T18:02:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Feb-1971","startTime":"12:44 PM","endDate":"19-Feb-1971","endTime":"1:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Brown, John R., III; Brown, John R., III (Mrs.); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Parker, David N.; White House photographer;","description":"On February 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John R. Brown, III, Mrs. John R. Brown, III, Alexander P. Butterfield, David N. Parker, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:44 pm and 1:02 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 452-008 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 452-008\nDate: February 19, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 12:44 pm and 1:02 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\nThe President met with Mr. and Mrs. John R. Brown, III, Alexander P. Butterfield, and David N.\nParker; the White House photographer was present during the meeting\nJohn R. Brown, III\n-Service on White House staff\n-The President’s appreciation\nPage | 18\nWhite House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973\nRichard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n-Brown’s new job at Koppers Company\n-The President’s recollection of contract during World War II\n-Commemorative photograph\nBrown, et al. left at an unknown time before 1:02 pm","filename":["452-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:37:42","tapeEnd":"02:39:09","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Brown, John R., III","Brown, John R., III (Mrs.)","Butterfield, Alexander P.","Parker, David N.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"452-007","nextCode":"452-009","transcript":[{"start":5.63,"end":10.72,"text":"Because John Brown is black, you know?"},{"start":10.74,"end":10.9,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":20.64,"end":43.26,"text":"I remember this."},{"start":43.28,"end":43.44,"text":"Awesome."},{"start":45.98,"end":68.95,"text":"All right."},{"start":73.12,"end":85.67,"text":"All right."},{"start":85.69,"end":86.01,"text":"Thank you a lot."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with John R. Brown, III, and his wife to express appreciation for Brown’s service on the White House staff. The conversation touched upon Brown’s transition to a new position at the Koppers Company and the President’s personal recollections of a wartime contract involving the firm. The meeting concluded with the capture of a commemorative photograph by the White House photographer.","topics":["John R. Brown III","White House staff","Koppers Company","personnel transition","presidential appreciation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:55:56.564Z"},"topicSlugs":["john-r-brown-iii","white-house-staff","koppers-company","personnel-transition","presidential-appreciation"],"audioDurationSec":88,"audioFiles":[{"file":"452-008.mp3","bytes":3521113,"durationSec":87.88,"bitrate":320527,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/452-008.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/452-008","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/452/conversation-452-008","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}