{"conversationCode":"454-005","tapeNumber":454,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-454-005","startDateTime":"1971-02-19T23:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-02-19T23:46:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Feb-1971","startTime":"6:34 PM","endDate":"19-Feb-1971","endTime":"6:46 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:34 pm and 6:46 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 454-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 454-5\n\nDate: February 19, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 6:34 pm and 6:46 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Henry A. Kissinger\n               -Call from the President\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 6:46 pm","filename":["454-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:54:17","tapeEnd":"01:54:44","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"454-004","nextCode":"454-006","transcript":[{"start":4.4,"end":14.94,"text":"And it's really that important."},{"start":14.96,"end":15.72,"text":"He can see you tomorrow and let it go."},{"start":15.74,"end":15.95,"text":"Let it go."},{"start":15.97,"end":16.17,"text":"Let it go."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to coordinate a scheduled communication with National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. The pair discussed the urgency of the matter and ultimately reached a decision to delay the interaction until the following day. This brief administrative consultation concluded with Nixon opting to postpone the contact.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Henry Kissinger","White House administration","Communication coordination"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:57:54.611Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","henry-kissinger","white-house-administration","communication-coordination"],"audioDurationSec":19,"audioFiles":[{"file":"454-005.mp3","bytes":448260,"durationSec":18.62,"bitrate":192630,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/454-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/454-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/454/conversation-454-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}