{"conversationCode":"455-010","tapeNumber":455,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-455-010","startDateTime":"1971-02-22T17:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-02-22T17:49:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Feb-1971","startTime":"12:46 PM","endDate":"22-Feb-1971","endTime":"12:49 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kunzig, Robert L.; Rhoads, John B.; Spence, A. N.; Price, Raymond K., Jr.; Bellinger, Cecelia D.; Parker, David N.; White House photographer;","description":"On February 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert L. Kunzig, John B. Rhoads, A. N. Spence, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Cecelia D. Bellinger, David N. Parker, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:46 pm to 12:49 pm. 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Nixon\n\n     Presentation of gifts by the President\n\n     Demolition of building on the Mall\n\nKunzig, et al. left at 12:49 pm","filename":["455-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:27:10","tapeEnd":"03:31:41","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kunzig, Robert L.","Rhoads, John B.","Spence, A. N.","Price, Raymond K., Jr.","Bellinger, Cecelia D.","Parker, David N.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"455-009","nextCode":"455-011","transcript":[{"start":2.23,"end":25.44,"text":"."},{"start":25.46,"end":25.48,"text":"."},{"start":25.5,"end":25.52,"text":"."},{"start":25.54,"end":25.56,"text":"."},{"start":25.58,"end":25.6,"text":"."},{"start":29.24,"end":34.58,"text":"Excuse me, we don't have a black house in here, sir."},{"start":34.6,"end":35.55,"text":"Well, you've got to understand something to me."},{"start":35.57,"end":36.35,"text":"You're not going to be able to do this."},{"start":38.54,"end":57.12,"text":"It's an act of introduction, Mr. President, for the first volume and the last volume, which we attended in 1977, to be given to you."},{"start":57.14,"end":58.24,"text":"Just in person, Mr. President, we've got you in person."},{"start":58.26,"end":58.7,"text":"We've got all of this."},{"start":58.72,"end":59.16,"text":"That's a typical time."},{"start":59.19,"end":59.78,"text":"Now, this is just an old year."},{"start":59.8,"end":59.89,"text":"Yes."},{"start":59.91,"end":60.53,"text":"You can get it all in one room."},{"start":60.55,"end":60.75,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":60.77,"end":61.11,"text":"You can sit down."},{"start":61.13,"end":61.53,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":61.55,"end":61.95,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":65.14,"end":86.17,"text":"You're going to sell this?"},{"start":86.19,"end":86.27,"text":"Yes."},{"start":87.21,"end":100.24,"text":"Well, this wouldn't have been done without the very excellent assistance of ."},{"start":106.72,"end":122.04,"text":"I had a very interesting conversation with your brother."},{"start":122.02,"end":138.76,"text":"out there, and they should have seen it."},{"start":138.78,"end":139.34,"text":"And he and I have a partner."},{"start":139.36,"end":139.92,"text":"And he and I have a partner."},{"start":139.94,"end":140.5,"text":"And he and I have a partner."},{"start":140.48,"end":159,"text":"It's got to be pulled together in America."},{"start":158.98,"end":175.37,"text":"We try to find something here, find the things that I know of and say, well, we might hurt some of them."},{"start":175.39,"end":176.35,"text":"But I think that we're both, we are bad at that."},{"start":176.37,"end":177.05,"text":"So we're not going to stand alone."},{"start":177.07,"end":177.69,"text":"We're not going to stand alone."},{"start":177.71,"end":178.68,"text":"We've got to get it organized or something else."},{"start":178.7,"end":181.22,"text":"And I gather your experience of the church and your other novels, the garage, and that's going to take a lot more than a year."},{"start":185.22,"end":208.15,"text":"Well, it's very nice to see you."},{"start":208.17,"end":208.71,"text":"These are pleasant to wear."},{"start":208.69,"end":236.42,"text":"We started out in those buildings out there in the fall."},{"start":236.4,"end":252.37,"text":"It's one of the best things we've done in this administration."},{"start":252.39,"end":252.85,"text":"One of the good things."},{"start":252.87,"end":253.59,"text":"I really feel that you're so lovely."},{"start":253.61,"end":254.45,"text":"I used to stare up at you in World War II."},{"start":254.47,"end":254.57,"text":"Down."},{"start":254.59,"end":256.44,"text":"Most of the kids are down, but I feel it's the best thing we've done in this administration."},{"start":256.46,"end":256.74,"text":"And thank you."},{"start":256.76,"end":257.46,"text":"You've cost us a lot of money, too."},{"start":257.48,"end":258.34,"text":"We're expecting you to handle it very well."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with General Services Administration officials, including Robert L. Kunzig and John B. Rhoads, to receive a book presentation and discuss the management of his presidential papers. The participants touched upon the development of his future presidential library, noting a prior conversation Rhoads held with Edward C. Nixon regarding the project. Additionally, the group briefly discussed the administration's initiative to demolish specific buildings on the National Mall.","topics":["Presidential libraries","Presidential papers","General Services Administration","National Mall","Historic preservation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:59:15.115Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-libraries","presidential-papers","general-services-administration","national-mall","historic-preservation"],"audioDurationSec":270,"audioFiles":[{"file":"455-010.mp3","bytes":6470007,"durationSec":269.52,"bitrate":192045,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/455-010.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/455-010","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/455/conversation-455-010","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}