United States Secret Service agents on Media strategy and Vietnam War

0:00Thank you.
0:46What's that?
2:22Yeah.
2:28I'm going to call the chair.
2:29I was talking to John Burris on this.
2:33I was thinking how we should handle the question on the federal takeover on, you know, the stories on the federal takeover of .
2:36Burns is the main chief.
2:50I'm trying to attempt to say that he even knows.
2:51I'm thinking that he was four people more.
2:51I'm trying to pull away from that.
2:52I'm trying to take over.
2:53I can't.
2:53I don't get to where I need to be.
2:54Or if you say it, then he's not.
3:04No, that's why I'm going to call him.
3:16All right.
3:16That's why I'm going to ask you.
3:17That question is definitely one that's going to be asked.
3:18How does he want you to handle the message?
3:19Very good.
3:19Okay.
3:19We need to establish the film of yesterday, as you know, that military news report.
3:21And I thought if you had no objections, I'd sit at the end of the meeting and get a little Welsh and a little English.
3:27I think it's important for us to get the mills.
3:37I'm going to deal with that, but I'll come back after the bye.
3:46They used the...
3:47They didn't use much of the lips of it.
3:48I told him, I said, you can always figure a minute, and most of the time, usually a minute and a half is 0 to 7.
4:10So I did 7 and I did 9.
4:10Well, this is kind of a non-usual, all kind of state-of-the-art.
4:12Yeah.
4:12I'll stay here since I'm ready.
4:12I'll stay ready for that.
4:14the people there at the meeting.
4:31I've already canceled the meeting afterwards, so he doesn't need to speak about that.
4:37If there's nothing else, I'll see you tomorrow.
4:38Thank you.
4:39The ABC's motion, what the advantage of doing that, the way you did it.
4:40Oh, yes, sir.
4:40CBS used the intro that you read, and then another copy, another take, NBC, a combination of two takes.
4:43But what the advantage of doing it the way you did yesterday was that it
4:44Woe then to, under our control, with you speaking to the way that they had, they always had really different assumptions.
4:56And they had a tool to, of course, have control over.
4:57So I think that was an advantage on that occasion.
5:00I don't think we should do it that way every time, but I think we should.
7:36I mean, it's not that we need to see you.
7:48It was about the thing.
7:52Yes, sir.
7:54God damn it.
7:54I've already been to the point that you're telling me.
7:55I told him.
7:55I just told him.
7:57I canceled before he got this message.
7:58So he didn't need to see me.
7:59That was what it was about.
7:59He wanted to continue to pass me.
8:00Yes, sir.
8:00I told you on the way over that it was canceled.
8:01Right.
8:02Well, then he called me.
8:02He needed to see you.
8:03He didn't tell me the subject.
8:03Is that what it was about?
8:04Yes, sir.
8:04I told him that it was about that meeting.
8:06I got in, you were working on something else, and he said, fine.
8:15So I said, Captain, okay.
8:15They're all here, so push.
8:16We'll be over here in a minute.
8:17I'm just talking, I'm waiting.
8:17Push.
18:49How are you?
19:08She's very good.
19:09Ladies, we have a long meeting today.
19:09But you know, this isn't a matter of business.
19:10This is a second process.
19:11There you go.
19:11If you'd like to get a little photograph for your private album, we wouldn't wish for you to do that.
19:13We have a Navy flag.
19:13Which is the Navy flag?
19:14Is it right?
19:35I don't know.
19:36We have some battle speakers now, though, and you can send those over and put them on his plan.
19:38I thought I'd make those available.
19:38Yes, sir.
19:39Sit down here.
19:39Sit down here.
19:40I know you're having lunch with the secretary.
20:08All right.
20:44It's moving up close, yeah.
21:14Well, we, uh, I heard you two months ago.
21:48At the present time, we are concerned about the hotspots in the world.
22:11Actually, for us, one is Vietnam, the most immediate hotspot.
22:12And that is a very dangerous one.
22:13And it has been hard to spare.
22:14And actually, one of the reasons we are here tonight
22:16I have always believed, long before I came to this office, since I have been here, that when you look at the important rather than the urgent, there are those things at the top of the list.
22:31And we have to realize, too, that as far as our Soviet government is concerned, that's still what they're doing.
22:37Oh, yes, they're worried about China, but that's 10 years from now.
22:43You know, that's a lot.
22:44Which is that they're all over their own.
22:45And when you look at their, whether it's, whether they're talking about soul, you look at the soul, their soul positions, their soul positions,
22:53while it's encouraging to know they're not run cold, their salt positions aren't always trying to get our forward areas.
23:11They know that's the move, Jim, that they had to burn the land for all these other reasons.
23:14For that reason, at this time, we can't.
23:18to keep the screw lines together and find a new basis, or a better basis for a future supporter.
23:30And particularly, because I have a horrible time.
23:31And I said, 63, if we can.
23:32we can develop what I think is a more credible, conventional deterrent.
23:47Because we know how much has happened even since you took over, but I remember in the high standards we could talk with great credibility about
29:09Well, we just wanted to acknowledge this nation, as well as all the other nations, and they all do a very great job.
29:29And we, if you wish, we hope the success is, shall we say, cooperative,
29:32Well, we'll see you later.
29:53I'll try to get a further response there.
29:55Can you, can you, can you, that's all right.
30:20You can't do anything about that.
30:20That's, uh, that's what I've done.
30:21You can't do that.
30:21You can't do that.
30:22We're going to have to do that job.
30:23All right.
30:23Thank you.
30:23Thank you.
30:23All right.
30:23But, you know, I don't have any problem with that.
30:25Mr. President, uh, on the Middle East, where I have to say, uh, uh, this is an excellent reason to be here today.
30:47But we've all got, uh, I have to tell you, uh, I don't know how to use it.
30:49Mr. President, you don't have to.
30:51Yes.
30:51All right.
30:51Mr. President.
30:51Mr. President.
30:52All right.
30:54... ... ... ... ...
31:14Well, that's what I would say.
31:35I don't understand.
31:36I had met about a hundred and seven, let's see, three and three, right here, here we go.
31:54And, uh, three, one, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty,
32:09Oh, yeah.
32:37That was part of the trail that we were doing.
32:37Oh, yeah.
32:38Oh, yeah.
32:38Oh, yeah.
32:47That's all right.
33:01Yeah.
33:18I don't have any tennis balls.
33:39Well, we certainly, sorry to keep you waiting, but we had a, quite a few things on the schedule this morning, and we had to, you know, hand out a little bit, and, well, that'd be for you two.
33:57I think you've all been here before.
33:58You are too.
34:02These are the White House services.
34:19There's a very simple office under this.
34:24That's the White House in 1937.
34:24That's a very, I don't know where it was, but it wasn't that close to what it is now.
34:26But the main feature of this room, which it was probably designed, is this created.
34:28It's the seal of the Senate, which is duplicated in drugs.
34:29That's true through the years.
34:30All the carpets are woven, sealed and duplicated.
34:31And that's a very famous painting of Washington by the Oldford Field.
34:47If you were in a concert in Washington, that was probably Washington at a younger time.
34:52Did you clean birds?
35:04Everything else has got history.
35:05I just want to wish you the best.
35:05Did you give a chairman something?
35:06Give him something to receive.
35:07So the next question, she doesn't know.
35:30Now, these are doughnuts you can have.
35:31So, we thank you for your work for the government.
35:32Thank you very much.
35:32We're proud of what we're all giving you.
35:33We appreciate your wonderful work for the country.
35:34Why don't you tell me what you think about it?
35:35I'd like to look at defable rights.
35:36South Dakota girls.
35:59Mr. President, we don't need to say a word.
36:05We need to be smart this time.
36:06This is definitely a professional event.
36:07Yeah, I'm voting it.
36:07All right.
36:07Thank you, Mr. President.
36:37I apologize for the delays.
37:03The meetings ran over this morning and I think it was bad to ask you to sit with me.
37:07This is the President, the official of the Ceremonial Office.
37:28This is the President.
37:28Mr. White.
37:29Yes.
37:29Yes, sir.
37:29Yes, sir.
37:30Up another street.
37:5027th and 22nd Street.
37:50Oh, that's where my wife used to go.
37:51She used to walk along there many times.
37:52Right.
37:52Yeah.
37:52Do you still live in it?
37:53No.
37:53I leave my box away.
37:53We moved up on 52nd Street.
37:54I heard.
37:54Yeah, she had to walk.
37:54Yeah.
37:55Mr. and Mrs. Cosley, they said.
37:55Yes.
37:55Mrs. Cosley.
37:56Exactly.
37:56Mrs. O'Farrell.
37:56Hi.
37:56Mrs. O'Farrell.
37:59Oh, such a lovely fish.
38:16New grasses.
38:16Sugarcane.
38:17Come on.
38:17Yeah.
38:17What a nice grass.
38:17Oh, here.
38:18Look at how it's growing out here.
38:18You've never seen it before.
38:19Nice.
38:21Where did this little girl go?
38:34She knows how to fly, too.
38:34Right.
38:52I like all kinds of things.
39:00That's what I think.
39:16All right.
39:45All right.
39:46Thank you.
39:57Thank you.
40:11Thank you.
40:17Yes, sir.
40:32We in the National Association of Presidents appreciate you signing the bill about the National Convention and appreciate making it available to Mr. Richardson, Mr. Black, right?
40:35It was a wonderful announcement that night.
40:37Well, I, uh, with all of you here, I must say that we, those of you who work in this area of the whole country, appreciate what you do.
40:49It's a great labor of love.
41:04You must get a lot out of it.
41:10It's a great need to help and know that.
41:11Hopefully I'll come back to that.
41:12We just appreciate what you're doing.
41:12I wish I could see all the people that are working and all the people you're helping.
41:14This little girl is our child.
41:15Thank you.
41:15Thank you.
41:17I asked her if she knew who Mr. Copperham is, and she said, America.
41:40Right.
41:40Well, that's interesting.
41:42Good night, sir.
41:42Ah, thank you.
41:43Thank you.
41:43Thank you.
41:43Thank you.
41:43Thank you.
41:44Thank you.
42:17We'll see what the rest of the program seems to do.
42:36Okay.
42:38It's a nice thing to write.
42:39And we have those three appointments.
42:39However, it certainly sounds fair to the town lights and everything.
42:41They're all having lunch.
42:41Yeah, yeah.
42:41All right.
42:42Well, I don't care if we get them in.
42:42We'll target them at the receiving room.
42:43Yeah.
43:28Hello Bill, how are you?
43:48We are all from Princeton.
43:49Oh, and you're the, oh, yeah, yeah, you're part of the, you're part of the Princeton Hardcore.
44:07Yeah, that's right, that's right.
44:08Oh, that's good country down there.
44:09You like Christmas?
44:09The other thing I'm going to say is that I remember what you did supporting us.
44:37I'm just grateful for that.
44:54I'm just telling you, for anybody, not for anybody on the college campus, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please,
45:06I hope that you will help provide the support that you need.
45:16We were just talking about amounts, and there's a question of how.
45:18How do you get it?
45:18How do you get it quickly?
45:19Sometimes you've got to do a hard thing in order to get a good life that you want.
45:23And I sat there and I was just...
45:50But then we came up, you know, and it was all over with, and you were the president, and I just got, you know, I couldn't ask for anything more.
46:10And then we, you know, I was confident in it.
46:11And then we were, we were just hearing about the, uh, the success of Henry Klaus.
46:13I want to throw it out there that, uh, he, I think, he's been most of the themes tonight.
46:14Uh, I mean, like, Chris, I'm trying to get you to take that.
46:16He is still there.
46:16I'm trying to get the answer.
46:17Well, this is the very thing about Donald Trump, which is, like, I mean, this is something that...
46:19But perspective is what is.
46:35Because I can't remember what he swooned about in Cambodia.
46:55Yes.
46:55And now he realized, as a result of Cambodia, the southern half of South Vietnam is secure.
46:57Now, while this is tough, there's going to be two or three weeks of pretty bloody fighting.
46:59We'll be out and down in Cambodia.
46:59But in the end, the main purpose is every day the South Vietnamese are in there.
47:01It means the less stuff goes down there, the fewer Americans who can get out in an honorable way.
47:03That's what it's all about.
47:03Just keep your perspective.
47:04It's how it works at COPS.
47:05If we could only get it some way to get it to television, why don't we just put it on every night?
47:17You heard it.
47:18Since I told some of you guys to go on television, I'd like you to go into that work, right?
47:20Are you planning to do politics, television, law, politics, to see that?
47:22Law, politics, to see that.
47:38Thank you.
47:41That is, this only goes to the perspective of people.
47:55We do appreciate what you've done.
47:56I want you to know we've had a lot of faith.
47:57I have.
47:57And what we talk about, you know, what you've done as a young American and so forth.
47:58You've tried to pull, you know, to play.
48:02But they showed 55% of them not being anyway.
48:23That is a target.
48:25We've got people in this country that have a golden mind.
48:26So what do you think is going to happen?
48:27And you heard that.
48:28So what do they do as we get into the war?
48:55Thank you.
48:58Thank you.
49:04Keep your courage.
49:15Thank you.
49:15I'll let it grab you now.
49:16No, no, no.
49:18Let it grab you.
49:18Thank you.
49:19Excuse me, excuse me.
49:19Do you mind if I just go ahead?
49:20Yes, right in front of you.
49:20Mr. Pappas.
49:20Yes, sir.
49:21You know, I wonder about this.
49:21I can, instead of going to 5 o'clock in the middle of Sunday, you know, I have to finish them right away, so I've got to see you.
49:24Yes, sir.
49:33Mr. President, Commander Stevenson.
49:44Well, how are you?
49:44How are you?
49:45Good to see you again.
49:45I'm assuming you're serious.
49:46What do you mean?
49:46That's just the best.
49:49I'm very glad to have you here.
50:03I'm sorry to catch you waiting, but we have a lot of people.
50:06That's good.
50:06We're going to get a picture of you.
50:07Put your hat on.
50:08Get on this side of me if you would.
50:08That way we can have a balanced picture.
50:09I'm very glad to have you here.
50:10We need this off the air so it's
50:17Mr. President and I, we wouldn't be what we should be if we didn't express to you the entire mission plan for making our appreciation for Maine possible.
50:33And the fact that the original war stamp was issued in conjunction with our stamp.
50:34I have something else that I want to give you that might be interesting and urgent.
50:55This is a resolution which I will present to our national executive committee, Mr. Fred Stampler, meeting here in Washington over the weekend and next week.
51:22Thank you.
51:22Good, good, good.
51:23I appreciate it very much.
51:23Well, you're a great boss, anyway.
51:24You got it.
51:26Can I have a hold on you?
51:37Make sure you're ready to be involved.
51:44Sure.
51:44I'm sorry.
51:44All right.
51:44This is a fine decision.
51:45I'll give you some.
51:45I'll go ahead and get you a WL.
51:46This one on the side.
52:12Stevenson, I get you.
52:14First name, Cecil.
52:15Cecil Rodney.
52:21Easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy.
52:23That's right.
52:43Come on, this side.
53:16Thank you.
53:16We all appreciate what you've done for your country and what you're doing now.
53:20Thank you.
53:29Thank you a lot.
53:32Bye.
53:54How are you?
54:13How are you?
54:14Well, I understand you're going to take off, huh?
54:15Right.
54:15Go up to the Wicked City?
54:15Yeah, one world.
54:16I never thought of you being in one world.
54:17Well, the bushes are.
54:17You keep pushing.
54:17There's a brainwash in those folks, huh?
54:18You'll enjoy it.
54:18Great assignment.
54:19Great assignment.
54:19Have you ever studied a Catholic UN?
54:27No, not very much.
54:28This is sort of new to me.
54:28Fascinating.
54:28You'll love it.
54:29I mean, you'll hate the social part of it.
54:30Unless maybe you like to go out and pray.
54:30Unless, as a matter of fact, they don't pray.
54:32The social part is tough, but you can go to a lot of those things.
54:49It's exciting to go around the snows, people talk.
54:50But just eat very little, drink very little, and keep in shape.
54:51That's my best advice.
54:52And listen a lot.
54:53Well, you mentioned presidential contracts today.
55:12That's all we give to people who give so much of their time and effort to us.
55:13And we appreciate it.
55:14You'll keep in touch with Perry.
55:14We'll keep in touch.
55:15We've been trying to get back to the campaign for other states.
55:16I hear all about that.
55:16I know that.
55:17That's right.
55:17Thank you.
55:17You're welcome.
55:17You can't get rid of politics.
55:18No, I don't want to.
55:19Yes.
55:19Okay.
55:19Thanks.
55:19Oh, that's all right.
55:20Hi, how are you?
55:30I'm sorry we kept you waiting so long.
55:31Okay, well, you know what?
55:31We need your support.
55:33Well, how's it going over there?
55:45Thanks.
55:47By the way, I want to congratulate you on your speech yesterday.
55:49I think this will be a tremendous help to all of your classes, including me.
55:50It's been a lot of help, but I think it's sort of finally over.
55:51I know you've got a heavy schedule, so I'll make this fast.
56:12What I would like to do, Mr. President, is I'd like to have a wonderful time.
56:15It's a great privilege.
56:16It's a great force.
56:17I'd like to say that if I was to this year, I'd like to go with you again in 73, if you would meet me at home.
56:19But I would also at this point like to ask for a sabbatical in 72.
56:25That's the year of the Mount approximately, but then that's January, for two reasons.
56:30One is that I think the most important thing in the world today and to the world today is
56:34as well as the United States is to see that you get re-elected in 1972.
56:48I'd like to do what I can to... Well, you did before.
56:49Well, I remember.
56:50I'd like to do it again.
56:50And the second reason is that I also would like to get my old affairs in order.
56:52And going back, so that I can go over here and sit right here.
57:11Right.
57:12Go back as not as president, but as chairman of the board of my company, including the radio and TV.
57:14Good.
57:14And keep those.
57:14That's what enabled me to be in a position to do anything that's necessary to be done.
57:16So I'm only asking for about a euro.
57:16You might wonder why I'm doing this so far in advance, but I have to make my plans.
57:18And also, if you talk to us this end of the week, you might have no funds.
57:20And, uh, we'll try to give some really deserving guy that opportunity.
57:37That's a wonderful, wonderful post.
57:38And, uh, we, uh, we can, uh, well, Delford, I can't say how much you really hope your wife enjoys it, too.
57:40She hasn't sold my daughter for money.
57:41I remember her asking me to give you that.
57:42We're such loving people, such two households.
57:43We had to make some money.
57:44We had to find a prime minister.
57:45I appreciate it.
57:53We'll handle it any way you want.
58:05As long as you are safe.
58:06Right, you're right.
58:06What did you say about January 37th?
58:14Yes, sir, you're right.
58:14All right, let's go.
58:15Harry passed the planning and the factors.
58:16We really want a good man for this job.
58:16I mean, some guy deserves it, you know.
58:18Yeah, we got a lot of new wives.
58:33Well, these are little crates.
58:34They're your wives.
58:34Oh, well, that's right.
58:34They're the first person I should talk to.
58:35Oh, they haven't already.
58:36How about you get down to the farm base tonight.
58:37You're going to your wife later.
58:37Yeah.
58:38There's the President.
58:50He's awful.
58:50He doesn't know how to hurt.
58:51Nice time to see you on the signature.
58:52Well, I'm glad you're glad.
58:52That way to the public, you know.
58:53I always kid.
58:53I said, never even to the Vice President anymore.
58:54I take it.
58:55I don't mind.
58:55He's a great guy.
58:55I thought I had none of the Bible tonight before he was...
59:01I'll never forget that beautiful party you had at your home.
59:31All right, so he's in here now, so we put him in some type of way, and then I was having that right here, and he wants to come back, so he can come back now.
59:43All right, so I'm going to be sitting right here.
59:44All right.
59:45Oh, did you get the little note of the returning charge?
1:00:02Yes, sir.
1:00:02So I gave that to the marshal.
1:00:03She said, who is it?
1:00:03I said, it's an American.
1:00:04I clapped her hand.
1:00:04She smiled and said, who is it?
1:00:05It's an American.
1:00:05I felt that, I guess.
1:00:05And I still touch her.
1:00:06It's a sweet child.
1:00:10And I told her she loved you.
1:00:11And she was right.
1:00:11And I told her the story of my girls.
1:00:12And I thought I said, well, she knows.
1:00:13I got that, too.
1:00:13She knows me.
1:00:14I can get along here, trust me.
1:00:18It's fine.
1:00:20No problem.
1:00:21Mr. President, how do you figure that?
1:00:21I will never deny it.
1:00:24I just want to say.
1:00:25Right, I know, I never do that.
1:00:48I would never do that.
1:00:48But it's valuable to me to get a feel of it.
1:00:50The briefing this morning, I talked to Chairman Mill.
1:01:05He said, Ron, go ahead and say it.
1:01:08I didn't tell the White House that I'm going to propose anything.
1:01:10He said, I talked to the White House about better control of the price of welfare.
1:01:14He said, I'm for reform of it.
1:01:14He said, now, move on down the line.
1:01:15That'd be reform.
1:01:15He said, that may have not been fine.
1:01:16But he said, don't say that.
1:01:17So he agreed to put the key to support the welfare reform.
1:01:20How are you?
1:01:25How are you?
1:01:45Holmes Alexander has a very good column today, too.
1:02:15Well,
1:02:42He's so sensitive about it.
1:02:52He thinks that these are reasonable people and they're not so reasonable.
1:02:56Of course, you know what I said to these guys when they said, well, there's really, you know, it's a nice report that explains the policies, but there's nothing new in it.
1:03:02I say to them that that just demonstrates the thing that we've been trying to do, which you haven't come directly and don't seem to give us credit for, and that is that we must have communicated our policies damn well over the last two years if you
1:03:12complete outline of our policies appear here, and you feel there's not a great deal new in it, then you know our policies.
1:03:33And that kind of takes them back a bit.
1:03:34Thank you for all of it.
1:03:34One policy radio address.
1:03:37You know, that's our position.
1:03:59We're never going to get out of there without our POWs.
1:04:00That's not even possible.
1:04:00Have you ever tackled on that?
1:04:02No.
1:04:02I've...
1:04:03I've said what you've said, and also I say the president's view is when U.S., as U.S. forces withdraw, the POWs come with us.
1:04:13And that is, you know, the posture I've said and indicated that their forces will be there until POWs are released.
1:04:23And Henry's followed that up in his background briefings.
1:04:29That's what we will be doing, yes sir.
1:07:24What's that?
1:07:46What's that?
1:07:46The open-off door.
1:07:46The open-off door.
1:07:47Oh, good.
1:07:47What is it?
1:07:47Yeah, on the last Saturday, Steve was going to try to finesse those because that came on Tom Wentz.
1:07:49He was going to postpone it later again.
1:07:50And now that does it.
1:07:50Oh, sure.
1:07:51Right here.
1:07:51Because of the delay.
1:07:51Yes.
1:07:51So long as Steve, you know, I was just going to be down on this anyway.
1:07:53So Steve was going to sort of play it by ear.
1:07:54I don't know what happened.
1:07:56Well, I don't mean now.
1:08:14I mean, if he, at the end, he was going to say, I don't know.
1:08:15I think that I was supposed to get out of here.
1:08:16But, uh, something about you.
1:08:17Oh, really?
1:08:17Yeah.
1:08:17Related to having, uh, five sons or so since he was here.
1:08:19This is great.
1:08:19I mean, since he said anything about that, we had to, you know, release him.
1:08:20And going back to five.
1:08:21Five was his name.
1:08:21Very good.
1:08:25I don't, Alex, I don't really see anything in the picture of the substance that he's really talking about.
1:08:40I mean, it's, he wants to come in with a good guy.
1:08:41I mean, I, I know there's a reason he's not concerned about the future of Jewish law.
1:08:43I know that Saudi Arabia...
1:08:53He's been wondering about the possibility of having him come to the U.S. in front of his financial check with somebody else behind him.
1:09:19I don't know if we had him in there.
1:09:20Well, he's been in other trips, yes.
1:09:21He just got back from another trip.
1:09:21Well, I mean, that wouldn't happen in style.
1:09:23There's nothing on there.
1:09:37At some point, I don't know.
1:09:40But it has to come in first.
1:09:40That's right.
1:09:41Basically, I understand that.
1:09:42I do it a lot.
1:09:43Eight months.
1:09:43Okay.
1:09:43Why not?
1:09:43Six months.
1:09:43No, we've got to get it done something more often.
1:09:45Well, we've got to get it done.
1:09:46No, that's okay.
1:09:46That's good for a while.
1:09:49That's a good boy to watch.
1:09:52You know what he used to say to a friend?
1:09:53I don't know.
1:09:54I don't see anybody who's a reporter at all.
1:09:57He's writing a book, so...
1:10:00Right now, we're still waiting on, uh, checks are just waiting until another situation arises, but hold on for a while.
1:10:19Yeah.
1:10:19Well, I can go ahead and see him, but I'm not sure this morning I can see if there's anything lost coming on the line.
1:10:23He's got some hurt, but I don't want him to discuss that with me.
1:10:24That's what's funny.
1:10:25See, that's the kind of thing, Bob, I've got to keep your mouth off of him, right?
1:10:27But he's fine.
1:10:27I could go ahead and have him.
1:10:28Might as well.
1:10:28Might work him into the day.
1:10:29I think we've cleaned up almost everybody here today, except one.
1:10:44New in your crop today.
1:10:57Not much.
1:10:58I'm not going to campaign at my town camp.
1:10:58I'm going to New York this year.
1:10:59Okay.
1:10:59You're going to give the colonies a chance to really be free and easy and do whatever they want.
1:11:01That's a nice thing.
1:11:02Oh.
1:11:16Would you be sure, Alex, that somebody has a campaign with a camp captain who will stand out and block him?
1:11:29He said to me in the background, I'm not going, but dog would be more convenient for him, you think?
1:11:45I'm not going at all.
1:11:46My point is that in view of that, I want to be sure that the cat can sit there and have their meals and ask them.
1:11:48I said, okay.
1:11:48He was asking for their names after they said they were the cat's staff.
1:11:58The movie will be in Aspen.
1:12:17The movie will be in Aspen.
1:12:19So they can have their movie in Aspen.
1:12:19And also they can have, I want them to use the swimming pool and the sauna mat, which are both open.
1:12:21Do you mind?
1:12:22Yes, sir.
1:12:22So they can stay in either cottage.
1:12:23They can stay in either of the two in the cottage.
1:12:24It's not good.
1:12:24It would have been a beat.
1:12:25It would have been a beat just so they could tell if it was a brand new one.
1:12:26Unless you do go outside.
1:12:35Get these little fools out of here.
1:12:57I think he sure gave Wilbur Nelson bloody blood.
1:13:14Was he there?
1:13:15Yeah.
1:13:15Don't you think that was a nice touch?
1:13:17Sure.
1:13:17Bringing him in.
1:13:18And it was a nice historical moment.
1:13:19Kevin was the chief of the Senate.
1:13:20And ran for governor.
1:13:21Now he's, and he got president.
1:13:22And then they do, they do that now.
1:13:24I'm suggesting what you ought to do.
1:13:25You should let him sit in the hallway and suggest Bush for president.
1:13:26Yeah.
1:13:26Yeah.
1:13:26Yeah.
1:13:26Yeah.
1:13:27Yeah.
1:13:27Yeah.
1:13:27Yeah.
1:13:27Yeah.
1:13:27Yeah.
1:13:28But don't you think that kind of thing gives people a little of a feeling of, I guess, so much better than just going out and the way, you know, the way that it's usually done on Johnson?
1:13:50but you go out and praise this man, his great accomplishment, et cetera, et cetera.
1:14:04It doesn't mean a thing.
1:14:05It's a very serious moment in the rest.
1:14:06I can give you a little levity in such moments.
1:14:09Would you agree or not?
1:14:10I sure do.
1:14:10It has all the trimmings when you have the hail of the jeep and the superboard vessels and the flights and all that.
1:14:16It's great to get a little energy to help us.
1:14:38Got a Zico kick for the day anyway.
1:14:39Breakfast.
1:14:39Oh, shit.
1:14:41that he was reading.
1:14:50For the old man, yeah.
1:14:50I didn't.
1:14:50No, I don't think he did.
1:14:51I think he was just being there.
1:16:49This is a real coup, as I'm sure you know.
1:17:05As she said to us, I don't know if it's pretty hard, but it's hard.
1:17:14We can't pay the plankton.
1:17:14The Johnsons and the Kennedys had both made all-out efforts to get these portraits to the White House and failed.
1:17:17Mrs. Nixon succeeded, as she did with the documents.
1:17:18It was also a real coup.
1:17:28I thought it marked good.
1:17:46Trisha was talking to me yesterday about the
1:18:00and so forth.
1:18:03I said, what if he was a teleprompter?
1:18:26She said, well, part of the time.
1:18:27But I want Mark to treat their television appearances with the same, you know, as much as the time.
1:18:29But if it was directly complex, he should go over and help Tricia or Pat when they've got anything that might be on television.
1:18:31I just think it's a damn good idea.
1:18:32I feel a joy doing it.
1:18:32It'll help them.
1:18:33They didn't ask for it, but I just, I think it's, you know, work out your own job.
1:18:47But he's very good.
1:18:48He's a good boy.
1:18:49He's a good boy.
1:18:49He's smooth.
1:18:49He's great because he's so low-key.
1:18:51He's fast.
1:18:52Oh, he's quick.
1:18:53Very fast.
1:18:53You know, I never asked.
1:18:54There's no rumbles.
1:18:54No, no, sorry.
1:18:54There's nothing in the body that's going to send us there.
1:18:55It's a very beautiful boy.
1:19:00Most everybody in this business, Bob, and that business in particular, feels they have to come in and sit down and breathe.
1:19:16And to make a hell of a big deal, I want to have a chat and a breath and breathe.
1:19:19They think, I guess they have a feeling that's what I'm supposed to call it.
1:19:21This guy has to do that.
1:19:22He comes in, he tells me, whispers in my ear, I get it.
1:19:24And I'll be like, that's what I want to do.
1:19:27Then he doesn't interfere with my train of thought.
1:19:28It's correct.
1:19:28He's a good man.
1:19:28He's something.
1:19:29I really request him because he's got it.
1:19:30He's exactly what you want, this solid confidence.
1:19:35You know he knows what he's talking about, but he's not all excited about it.
1:19:43And he's the first TV guy that we've had around that is excitable.
1:19:46Roger is always, you know, his tie is done and all, and Roger Hillary, yeah, of course.
1:19:48And Ted Rogers and Ted Rock, work over at Ted Rock, watch your sales.
1:19:51They know he's always so excited about it.
1:19:53And Scott was hard.
1:19:55Scott was good.
1:19:55Alice was very good.
1:19:56But Woody wasn't nearly as fast.
1:20:02He was good.
1:20:02He was just like life.
1:20:04He's just great with everybody.
1:20:08He greets everybody.
1:20:08He tells me.
1:20:08He doesn't have to protect anybody.
1:20:09I just know he's got a real mind there.
1:20:11I think that we make it.
1:20:15It's easy for him.
1:20:23I see him on the scene.
1:20:25When I get a guy that's good, you never have to worry.
1:20:30I'll talk to him.
1:20:31It's only when the guy is irritated, he's trying to voice chat or something.
1:20:35I fully realize that.
1:20:36That's why it's so important to get the right guy, though, because if he's not, you won't talk to him, and there's no reason why you shouldn't.
1:20:49And some of the other things that are impressive about him is that he isn't the least bit abashed about being with the President of the United States.
1:20:56He walked right in here on the first day.
1:20:57He was basically pretty nominal.
1:20:58The other night was the first time he'd ever worn a white tie in his life.
1:21:01He was moving around there running the time of dinner.
1:23:28Hey, talk to Bryce.
1:23:39Fortunately, he was at a dinner party of the vice president's last night.
1:23:44Didn't have a chance to talk to him.
1:23:46It was a big party.
1:23:48But the vice president asked if you could play tennis with him tonight.
1:23:49And said he would like to talk to him.
1:23:51He had something he wanted to talk to him about.
1:23:53So he's got a session set up.
1:23:53He doesn't have to take the initiative.
1:23:55He can move right into it.
1:23:57He's going to cover the Goodhagen thing.
1:24:13Oh, yeah.
1:24:14He says, I know, I remember.
1:24:15Of course, Bryce likes it.
1:24:17He likes to read.
1:24:27Oh, yeah.
1:24:28The Braggers are running the world.
1:24:31Yeah.
1:24:31I was their favorite movie.
1:24:31See, they couldn't take it.
1:24:34They never took ice power.
1:24:34So they got one meeting.
1:24:36But now they've got two targets.
1:24:37So it's not as hard for him.
1:24:38Of course, see, he said, well, I remember he used to go to those things.
1:24:39He laughed.
1:24:40He always enjoyed it and all that.
1:24:41And, you know, I hate it.
1:24:43He said, well, you know perfectly well he didn't enjoy it, but he put on a good show, and that's what the vice president's got to do.
1:25:04So he's going to take that on, and also the whole intergovernmental relations business, and, you know, structure the office, and go, and the whole bit of it.
1:25:09So we'll have a good time, and then we'll talk.
1:25:10So you'll have a chance to talk in your live spaces.
1:25:12Thank you.
1:25:14Secretary Rogers wants five minutes.
1:25:20Very urgent.
1:25:22Come over any time.
1:25:23General Hague says it's very important that Henry see the President prior to the President's returning.
1:25:30The Secretary of State's caller having him come over should be visited.
1:25:31He sent a message to Secretary Esselstyn Yost.
1:25:34I know that.
1:25:48So the question is, who do you see first?
1:25:49I'm not going to Steve Rogers.
1:25:52Rogers is not going to be seen this afternoon.
1:25:53Okay, well, Henry comes in.
1:25:53He comes back for five minutes.
1:25:54Henry gets five minutes.
1:25:55He comes back for ten minutes.
1:25:57I'm going to have to, because I've got the Adams portrait.
1:26:00So now I'll see Rogers.
1:26:01No, no, no.
1:26:04I want to see Rogers this afternoon.
1:26:18I want to see him.
1:26:19I don't tell Henry when I see Rogers.
1:26:19I don't tell him anything.
1:26:26Nobody's going to know.
1:26:27Just say Henry, come in.
1:26:27When he gets back, he comes back.
1:26:28So, I have to visit him when I see him.
1:26:29I never expected to see Rogers.
1:26:30Rogers told me the earlier I see him, I'm prepared to talk.
1:26:37said on the agriculture that in the high Murray business, which he's been working on to see if we can't get it to be open and get Murray in here, which everybody feels would be, not Dole, everybody else, that would be the answer.
1:26:52What we're doing, and this sort of came out of a joint recommendation, is having Harper take more of Murray on the trip Monday at some point.
1:27:05So we want to get you with Murray for a few minutes.
1:27:07And then we're going to have to go back on the, he talked to the Marines on the basis of this, and it could take back to Belcher that it just, we've got to have him over here.
1:27:25It's more important for the long haul for the farm and the party and the page and everything else to have him here than to just have him over there.
1:27:28And see what we can do.
1:27:29For Jerry Boyd about it, a way to break through this to reopen the question would be to have him go on the trip.
1:27:34And he's not going to go there.
1:27:37We're not taking any Congressmen.
1:27:47What we might do is put
1:27:51See, you can run into an airplane and say, instead of whatever it was going to come back, say, come back to the plane.
1:28:09I can go.
1:28:09It's the emergency.
1:28:09Also, I can see people tomorrow morning.
1:28:11It's better not to try and set a time tomorrow morning.
1:28:12I don't want to capitalize on that, though.
1:28:13I must not think that was a mistake just because I had the time.
1:28:14Go ahead.
1:28:15If you don't go to Camp David, he used to tell you to do the same thing here.
1:28:32And you still have to.
1:28:32That's what I plan to do.
1:28:34You'll be the leader or something.
1:28:36Oh, well, it's important.
1:28:38Right.
1:28:38Right.
1:28:38Right.
1:28:38But we've got to get this.
1:28:39We won't go through the cast.
1:28:40Harrisville coming out Monday.
1:28:40It's very interesting.
1:28:41Asked...
1:28:43You're raising public confidence in the job done by the 91st Congress, the last Congress.
1:28:53How would you rate how the Congress has done?
1:28:5963 to 26, negative.
1:29:01Job rating of the Congress, how would you rate the Congress?
1:29:03That's how he does it, the same way he does it for us, an excellent, pretty good county fair report.
1:29:10Only there, because it's negative.
1:29:17At the same time, they asked to raise the president on his re-handling his relations with Congress.
1:29:21That was low also, 59-28, but not as low as the rating of Congress itself.
1:29:25Then they asked it, they thought it was better to have the Congress and the executive in control of the same party, and they said continue the way it is, opposite parties, by 49-36.
1:29:35The reason is that at a time when politicians and politics are held at low esteem, most Americans feel it's good and healthy to have Congress and the executive keeping each other on their toes.
1:29:50The job rating of Congress, they ask the same question over the years.
1:29:54In 65, it was 64-26 positive.
1:29:58In 66, it was 49-42 positive, which was higher now, but it's negative.
1:30:05Yeah.
1:30:08Job rating in Congress.
1:30:11Yeah.
1:30:12How is Congress doing?
1:30:15How would you rate the job Congress did?
1:30:1965, they rated 64 positive, 26 negative.
1:30:23Yeah.
1:30:24And 66, 49, 42.
1:30:27Yeah.
1:30:27And 67, 38, 55, negative.
1:30:3068, 46, 46 even.
1:30:3169, 34, 54, negative.
1:30:3470, 34, 54, negative.
1:30:3971, 26, 63, negative.
1:30:43Well, he gets to that point.
1:30:49He says,
1:30:55This is Republicans who like to sit down and talk.
1:31:01Individual's political orientation obviously makes a decisive difference in his views on having executive and legislative branches under same or different control.
1:31:10This would indicate that in 72, if Nixon were to try to run a campaign based on lack of cooperation from a Democratic-run Congress, he would run the risk of fucking sharp disagreement with the independents.
1:31:19Yeah.
1:31:20Because the independent figures are dividing Congress by 45 to 35, divided executive and Congress.
1:31:23That's pretty close, though.
1:31:25Democrats favor dividing control by two to one because they're not in the White House.
1:31:37The Republicans, of course, want the unified control.
1:31:40He makes the point by the same token with all the possible candidates on the Democratic side now sitting members of the Senate.
1:31:44Identification with their parties directly in Congress will not win any votes.
1:31:49But make a note to- And all the parents hold out.
1:31:52Et cetera on that, that's .
1:31:55In all the Paris assentings on Congressional standing, never has the Congress been in lower review of the random trial of the people.
1:32:07This is interesting too, he has underrated Congress on specific votes or issues.
1:32:11Has the Congress done a good job on particular things?
1:32:17Pollution-free cars, for instance, it was 76-15 favorable.
1:32:21Banning cigarette advertising $64.26.
1:32:26Favorable.
1:32:28Sending federal aid to education $59.26.
1:32:3118 year vote $55.36.
1:32:32But then, this is interesting, rejecting the SSG subsidy $38.28.
1:32:38Favorable one way down.
1:32:42Passing the expanded ADM, 3734, they've got support on that.
1:32:53Passing anti-crime, 3639, negative.
1:32:56Turning down the Ainsworth and Carswell, 2635, negative.
1:33:01Overriding mix and detail on hospital bill, 2635, negative.
1:33:05Not passing mix and welfare reform, 2548, negative.
1:33:10Good.
1:33:11Not increasing Social Security, 1371, negative.
1:33:17Not passing revenue, sharing 1046, negative.
1:33:23Well, maybe we've got to get to work on it.
1:33:35In other words, on everything where Congress did go along with major elements of your religious service program, they got a strong hand to vote.
1:34:03All right.
1:34:35What does Patrick feel about his ticket to the World Cup?
1:34:56He seems to be happy.
1:34:56Seems to be, yeah.
1:34:56I only stopped for a few minutes this morning, and, uh, he knew the sky was supposed to cut the hell out of him in a dry way.
1:34:59Uh, a dry way, which I expected.
1:35:00You see, Mike is, uh, got a lot of attention on that, so he's actually there.
1:35:01I guess you're right.
1:35:02It, it, it got attention, but Mike didn't pay me, which is absolutely true.
1:35:03Nothing he did.
1:35:04And it wasn't anything new.
1:35:04I knew that.
1:35:05I mean, uh, we, uh, we, uh, we just gotta, and, and by that, we gotta be good to each other.
1:35:25I strongly, strongly say to, it was too long.
1:35:26Uh, that even the Times didn't cover it all.
1:35:27You can't give them 60,000 words.
1:35:28And you can't say something that isn't new in 60,000 words.
1:35:29Yeah.
1:35:29With a set of coming out.
1:35:31I got it.
1:35:44I didn't read the damn thing.
1:35:45I said, cut it.
1:35:47Goddamn Sapphire.
1:35:47I told him to do it.
1:35:47I don't think he will step up to anything like that.
1:35:50Cut it.
1:35:50He said, he could do that.
1:35:51I wasn't about to.
1:35:52We told him to cut it, General.
1:35:52We sat in the NSC meeting there.
1:35:53Rogers and Larry said, please cut it.
1:35:54So he did.
1:35:54Cut it.
1:35:54Goddamn benefit.
1:35:55I just can't understand that it's a, well, I do understand that it's just kind of this and awful and all that, but it's for its own good.
1:36:12Our good.
1:36:12What do you think about the coverage?
1:36:15Yeah.
1:36:26Looking back on it, I think they're completely green now.
1:36:32The right thing to do is radio them, not to go on TV.
1:36:34I go on TV, and it's loud.
1:36:35Right?
1:36:35Yeah.
1:36:36Everybody.
1:36:37You would have set yourself up to be, and try to be wild.
1:36:38They could never walk you to a restaurant.
1:36:40But they can walk you for saying nothing.
1:36:41You know what I mean?
1:36:42For simply walking.
1:36:42But you can't walk people going on radio.
1:36:43Oh, I don't know.
1:36:44Mathematics is a great device, I still think.
1:36:58Because of the advantage of the voice, everybody recognizes it.
1:37:02I think we ought to use it.
1:37:03Goddamn, they've got it every week.
1:37:04I think we can use it.
1:37:05I don't think it becomes common.
1:37:06They're going to use it.
1:37:06We have weekly radio.
1:37:07We can buy something good every two weeks or something.
1:37:08It's a way to get yourself in.
1:37:08It's a way to make sure whenever we've got something you want to get recorded on a show.
1:37:11Like what?
1:37:11It's a way to give another kick down the road a little ways to, for instance, the health program.
1:37:25The health program.
1:37:25Yeah, which you don't want to get on and try to do anything.
1:37:26The health program and revenue sharing.
1:37:27And revenue sharing, like a message that I'm sending to this or that.
1:37:28You know, revenue sharing, you can do it on each, on the segments.
1:37:30Got it.
1:37:30Yeah.
1:37:30I can send another congress, or I can send a letter to the congress, or I can send a...
1:37:43I can send...
1:37:43I don't have anything to do, for instance, on the environment.
1:37:44Whatever you do on the environment, what legal it is, it ought to be grandstanded.
1:37:48It ought to be grandstanded.
1:37:49The truck, the other kind of stuff.
1:37:51Because that's all it's for.
1:37:51But health care, people, they just care about you caring about it.
1:37:54They don't really know what all the plans are about or care.
1:37:57We've got to care about everything.
1:37:58As a black student...
1:38:02Now I like the idea of addressing the many thrusts of remarks to a segment.
1:38:11In other words, if you want to talk to farmers or blacks or Mexicans, doing this means two Mexicans on the radio, because everybody has a radio, or can get one.
1:38:27and he can set that up and announce in advance that he's going to speak to the United Nations Mexicans next week and build it up a little bit.
1:38:35And the Mexicans will do it then?
1:38:36It's one of the small movements, sir, that I would mention.
1:38:41Tell them.
1:38:42I never want, when I'm doing television, I don't want a silver card.
1:38:54He's got this one guy that's sitting there and snapped his legs a couple of times when I was doing this television clip.
1:39:02I don't want silver card.
1:39:02We have a robot.
1:39:02They're not our own either.
1:39:03I think all these people...
1:39:04He's the best walker ever.
1:39:20They don't know that I don't want that to see.
1:39:21Even our own people, I don't want them seeing it.
1:39:23Because we've got to play for the big thing, and we don't give one ticker's shit whether we've got a picture of you delivering that television thing or not.
1:39:28Do we?
1:39:28No, they give a still shot at it.
1:39:28Black person, black son.
1:39:29Just tell them.
1:39:29That's my commitment to her.
1:39:30We know, still count in the room.
1:39:31When I do it, I'll just never give it to them.
1:39:31Well, so...
1:39:32I told Will one time, you know, they forget it.
1:39:56It's got to keep reminding them of the rules.
1:39:57It is a narrative film.
1:39:57And you're trying to read the five cameras.
1:39:58It's all black, black, you know.
1:39:59Yeah, well, it's just not the right thing to do anyway.
1:40:00It is.
1:40:00What they do is not going to be bad.
1:40:01We could do about one minute.
1:40:01No, these...
1:40:02They used, uh, all of them had three minutes.
1:40:09Okay, Bill, one point for another.
1:40:12No, not all of them did.
1:40:13So the film was really not real kind of six minutes.
1:40:15No, don't you cut?
1:40:23I cut six and a half minutes.
1:40:28It's wrong to cut six off.
1:40:28Are you, again, even on the most important thing you're going to do at all, you should, you can't go over two minutes.
1:40:32This simply won't ease over two.
1:40:33I cut five minutes on the Woodrow Black speech or whatever.
1:40:36No, it wasn't that.
1:40:37They didn't.
1:40:37They used a minute.
1:40:37Yeah.
1:40:38The most you'll ever get is humans.
1:40:57I told them this.
1:40:58I told them.
1:40:58Of course, I told them.
1:40:58They said, well, they had an executive select.
1:40:59You know, we got to select.
1:41:00We got to select what we want.
1:41:01And they did it.
1:41:01So each of the ABC did a damn good job.
1:41:02I saw that.
1:41:02And they dispersed it.
1:41:03The way they did it was build it up in a very interesting way.
1:41:04And Gerald did a good job of that.
1:41:05And they used more than was it worth doing just for them.
1:41:09That's what they were doing.
1:41:14They didn't use six minutes.
1:41:15On the other hand, the point was about giving them six they were able to pick up.
1:41:18I don't buy that.
1:41:24I don't either.
1:41:28I don't buy that.
1:41:29It lets us decide which two minutes we want.
1:41:31Do you follow through on that, Jim?
1:41:33Don't say we're exactly two minutes.
1:41:35It's just wrong.
1:41:35No matter what it is, if you're filming it then for the TV news, it should be normally 30 seconds.
1:41:38The other thing we have to remember more than two minutes, you will argue, never let the sweet truck have anything to say with what's going on on television.
1:41:43See, this is again, Bill was the one who worked on the bizarre.
1:41:53He's naturally going to want his stuff down.
1:41:55And I can't even want his stuff on.
1:41:56That is not the way to do it.
1:41:57I think one of the best things you did was when you walked in that day and said, our people don't think you should go on television.
1:42:01You're right.
1:42:05I would have been glad if I could have done the television almost as easily.
1:42:16You know, I could sit there and read it three or four more times.
1:42:17It was a better thing.
1:42:17Don't you think it was much better?
1:42:18Yeah.
1:42:18I had some doubts yesterday.
1:42:19After I heard the radio, I had some doubts because I thought it was good.
1:42:23It was impressive.
1:42:23It was a good speech.
1:42:24And well done.
1:42:25But it was not good.
1:42:27But you're great.
1:42:27Yeah.
1:42:31So you just don't want to go on.
1:42:38We're going to save up a gun now and then for, if we go on, it's going to be big.
1:42:52That's the records there, you know.
1:42:53Press conference, conversation.
1:42:54Yeah.
1:42:54The big thing like that, or the major announcement, the explaining what's happened.
1:42:58Those are there, too, for all sake.
1:43:00And brief.
1:43:02Well, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe.
1:43:18My God, I loved the brief speech.
1:43:20I, as I repeat again, I think that radio speech gained a hell of a lot by the, by my cutting eight minutes out of it.
1:43:24I'm sure it did, because another four could come out, not much more, because it would be hard to take much more out of that.
1:43:26Because it had this, you know, important feature, a week, that was the title speech.
1:43:28And he delivered it fast, which was good, because it made you point, you had a lot you wanted to say.
1:43:33I'm disappointed in him because he doesn't feel, you know, I know how a man gets when he writes something.
1:43:51I do the same thing.
1:43:52I fall in love with this phrase or that phrase.
1:43:53I heard it years ago when I wrote an article for the law school journal.
1:43:54And I had to get it out of them.
1:43:55They got up to a page and a half.
1:43:57And they killed me.
1:43:57But I did it.
1:43:58And I've never forgotten it.
1:43:59And I don't think a lot of our people here
1:44:02If you get each other, you might get each other's.
1:44:20And this Greg Coleman stuff is bullshit.
1:44:25I'll let you know when it was.
1:44:26The view of giving them a smorgasbord was wrong, too.
1:44:27I agree.
1:44:27We should decide what's important now.
1:44:28But it was well done.
1:44:29I must say, Sidebar did a damn good job writing.
1:44:31He's a damn good man to work with.
1:44:34Did it.
1:44:37I've done it.
1:44:38It's been a while.
1:44:42What is the, what is the, what is the, what about the gal then?
1:44:45When are they coming out?
1:44:46We shouldn't, we may get her today.
1:44:52They won't be out for a while, but.
1:44:54Dwight called, when did they change her?
1:44:55Two days, last weekend.
1:44:56And he talked to them.
1:44:56So curious.
1:44:57Two or three times yesterday.
1:44:57They said they'd have her at 4 o'clock yesterday, and at 4 they didn't have her, and they said they'd have her today.
1:45:10They did be satisfied.
1:45:30Why don't you just pour as much?
1:45:36We just had to be heads up.
1:45:37Less open, desired.
1:45:37That's how long.
1:45:56Okay.
1:46:25Okay.
1:46:34I don't think so.
1:46:47I mean, what's it supposed to mean, right?
1:46:55I think we've been riding on the, I don't know why I'm close on the blips.
1:46:59Well, I don't know.
1:47:01Gallico didn't run anything, you know, and he had to.
1:47:16And the security's thinking, he had to hit me by, did he?
1:47:17At least that's what he told us.
1:47:19And he was confirmed because he told the other guy, he told Dirks that, too, when he was up talking to him.
1:47:23I know.
1:47:23He's the same figure that gave the checklist.
1:47:24He had a...
1:47:26I didn't use that, and I didn't scroll along.
1:47:47The only reason it would be interesting to see whether in history we had all this damn action, whether it means anything.
1:47:49Sorry, they're always interesting to get at, to try and get at.
1:47:51Take a second.
1:47:51Massachusetts portals you looked at were weirder than last May.
1:47:52That's not surprising.
1:47:58Jesus, you got a nice face.
1:48:07That was when we were in Cambodia.
1:48:08We were pretty strong then.
1:48:37a month ago, you know.
1:49:01That's why I had serious doubts about Harris, because Beale can't come out with a 62% and Harris came out with a 48.
1:49:03Do you agree?
1:49:04I don't want you.
1:49:04No.
1:49:04Beale is the same question as Harris.
1:49:05Coach, mention quickly this morning, I forgot to follow up, but he's got something more.
1:49:12You know, the Washington Post didn't carry the Harris poll that showed you ahead of Muskie on all the issues, any of those issues, and Merle was going to hit up on that yesterday.
1:49:48and fired for it, I would have done it.
1:50:08You know, beyond what happened to this man.
1:50:09I mean, he's got a racquetball.
1:50:09Why didn't he carry that?
1:50:15So he didn't need it.
1:50:15Yeah.
1:50:19He said they were very, much more positive on Nixon.
1:50:38On Nixon, on you.
1:50:38Not given the policies and stuff, but just on Nixon.
1:50:39They were much more positive than they were last year.
1:50:41They were better than himself.
1:50:48If we remove the war pin, that will help some.
1:51:02But, and that will be removed as we make announcements.
1:51:08We have no illusions that if we solve that problem, they'll beat things with us.
1:51:09They're out to beat our ass off.
1:51:10They use the word economy.
1:51:18Come on.
1:51:46Speaking of people being tired, Al Haig looked up and tired to me yesterday.
1:51:52He probably is.
1:51:58He's probably reading a granite lab.
1:51:59Yes, sir.
1:51:59Retired.
1:51:59I just don't know.
1:52:00I just don't know.
1:52:00Take it along.
1:52:16So he doesn't have a chance to work.
1:52:33I have just doubts whether, I mean, he's got the... Oh, the deal is if we can...
1:52:39The boat's not going to rely on it.
1:52:40He's moving on.
1:52:41Covering the thing.
1:52:42Otherwise, he's going to try and use a lot of stuff.
1:52:43I'm not going to try to push him into it.
1:52:50We'll just sit him either way as long as he wants to.
1:52:52Bryce's other thought was using lunch bell in this intergovernmental relations deal, which he's going to try to sell.
1:52:58He's going to try it on that and see what happens.
1:53:02Which, interestingly enough, I'm still as interested in.
1:53:03I can't believe some of the programs.
1:53:09Well, I'll leave you in the front position.
6:05Can I send out a message?
6:08Sure.
24:30Blessings.
24:34We probably went first for the time.
25:40I'll wait for a buzz.
26:34So what question do they want me to ask?
26:57Just give me a, I don't want a long talking paper because it's a very brief meeting and she's just coming in.
26:59She's not very good.
27:00And Bob, we can't, we just can't get these people nailed down.
27:01Henry comes in and says Cicero and Rogers and this one have not given us all the facts.
27:03And I don't tell you, this is a repeat.
29:50But I think he really has what I'm concerned about, and I want it now.
30:06What, what is he, what question does he want me to ask?
30:07What questions?
30:07Two or three, that's a brief conversation, and I'll ask.
30:08I'll try to get it out, and if there's something that he feels is wrong.
30:11Because he's, you know, he's such a good man, right?
30:27I just know he will choose for a long time.
30:30It's a one-sided thing, just cannot.
30:31It's partly ridiculous, but what would happen if you put Roger Sisko Kissinger, egg in a room, with you, with me?
30:37Oh, it will at the time.
30:53He's .
30:54.
30:54.
30:54wait until we get the answer, and then .
30:56.
30:56.
30:56But I want him to know .
30:56.
30:57.
30:57Here's a chance for me to ask some questions together directly without him being present.
30:59Now I'm going to bring them all in together.
31:00So, I don't know, I'm going to do what I mean by .
31:01.
31:01.
31:01Okay.
31:03Oh, we got the ad.
31:12That's a big thing for Pat.
31:14He did a good job.
31:14He worked on it.
31:15Yeah, it was nice.
31:16It's a very nice cut.
31:16Very good as he made it.
31:17That's a very good scene.
31:19Well, he did a superb job.
31:19You know where I got all that?
31:20It's a, not a serial killer, but, no, there's a, I was reading Stenberg, and there's a two-page little recap, and I'm not missing anything.
31:45That's what I'm going to show Andrews and Price.
31:46The whole theory of this is, they said not, they should read, read history, read history, read biography, read Stenberg, read all the old things.
31:51All right, it's pretty good.
31:59I'd like to just do the other thing.
32:00Oh.
32:31Keep going, Brandon.
32:46Hold it, how are you?
32:50Why don't we sit over here?
33:02I think it would be more convenient.
33:03Not convenient, but it would be more comfortable with this hour of the day.
33:05I'll just finish showing you something.
33:06I'll give you a coffee, or a Coke, or anything.
33:11As a matter of fact, this is in the afternoon.
33:13I don't like coffee, actually.
33:23It's a funny thing how we are growing up, of course, anybody in the service, particularly in the naval service, you know, the manned coffee here in Baltimore.
33:30And we've got this habit here in this country, as you know, that every time we have a meeting, it's like, yeah, I see this one, and I can't believe it.
33:33and a coffee you're drinking, and by the time you get to your right, you get cups, you know, and you get that brown taste in your mouth, and so forth and so forth, and then tea, tea bar, well, that has the same amount of stimulus, but it's a little deeper taste, and so it happened, and I got a little bit of this,
33:50I was thinking the last time we met, it was way back in 59 or 60.
34:07You were doing a book, doing a piece on both the candidates.
34:11Yes, that's right.
34:15We had met.
34:15No, no, no, but I remember we had met.
34:16Yes, we had met.
34:18Yes.
34:20I don't know what has happened since then.
34:30Let's see, six or seven, 11 years ago.
34:31It must have been earlier than six years.
34:34It was in 1959.
34:34I was trying to anywhere.
34:35I was also, at the time I met, I had to ask both candidates the same questions.
34:39None of them could think better, but also to pose with me.
34:40And you were the one who asked to pose.
34:42Oh, yeah, the pictures.
34:44It was pictures.
34:44Oh, yeah.
34:44Who did the pictures now?
34:45I don't know about the pictures.
34:47Are you, are you going to do, are you going to write a book or something?
34:59Well, I'm very serious.
35:00You just don't know?
35:00No, I... Book writing is such a chore.
35:01No, every time I finish, when I sit in this area, I don't know whether I use sodium or not, too.
35:03I mean, just in general.
35:07You just don't know how to do that?
35:10This is probably the most exciting period.
35:31I mean, I've been here in this country for over 20 years.
35:35In over 21, it'll be 21 years from our first event.
35:39Yeah.
35:48Just before I wrote this.
35:52Yeah.
35:53You've been through some... You say it's the most exciting time.
35:56It really is.
35:57Why?
35:57Because of the internal problems.
35:58Yes.
35:58Rather than the external problems.
36:00Wars would always have problems.
36:01But the internal problems... And then you see, in those days, the foreign policy was far more black and white.
36:04At least today, therefore, decisions were easier.
36:05I always said to President Truman, these days, we'll be the wrong men.
36:24Yeah, all the time.
36:25Maybe not.
36:25Yeah, yeah.
36:25It would be terribly difficult for him, because Truman thought very simplistically.
36:27It's definitely in retrospect, I can say, I don't think I happened to be the right man for that time.
36:29I couldn't disagree more with him on this subject.
36:30Should we look at each other?
36:42Yes, sir, I think so.
36:44One looking out, and then I'll take one from here to there.
36:46We'll look at each other.
36:47He does it pretty well sometimes.
36:50Good.
36:51Well, you see, he used to pour on us, and I used to pour on him a little bit, looking at the terribly difficult decisions he made, and not going into the Korean War, and reintroducing her in the marching plan.
37:11And, frankly, this must be the hardest part of the job.
37:12It required her to do it.
37:16At the present time, his office requires
37:33I suggested to him that he had to internalize himself in trying to solve the problems.
37:57Requires an individual who can think in complex terms about enormously complex problems.
38:00And who inevitably, because he will be thinking
38:02in those terms, and whoever he is is going to be charged with being devious and inconsistent and so on.
38:19It's so unusually
38:19He can speak in terms of, for example, all of us in terms.
38:43He always brings confidence in us.
38:43To all of us, of course, in this country or in the world, the great action of leadership in this country was courageous because it was rallying the people in great cause.
38:49On the other hand, there was a similar problem in terms of leadership.
39:14It took a bit of a man with his guts, charisma, and all the rest of the doing.
39:15It was simply, here's a weaker for a team, an audition man.
39:16And this time, in all the problems that we had,
39:22the urgent problems of Vietnam and the Middle East and the more important problems of the two powers, East-West relations, and further down the stream, the Pacific, China, Japan, et cetera.
39:48It simply requires an ability day to day to watch the situation, to have certain principles of guide
39:50There are certain things we are devoted to.
40:11We all are devoted to basic freedoms and guarantees.
40:12But we now know that in terms of power and use, there has never been a time when it is more important
40:21to recognize the limits of power, what it can accomplish, and its sophistication, which is, as I said yesterday, not too much, not too little.
40:38That's the most uninspiring thing you could possibly say, but it's right.
40:44The British would understand that better than Americans, because while the British, the British tell you the time is one thing, and go back to the Napoleon days, that was another thing, and I would say World War I was probably a pretty straight up down the field after you got in.
41:00Looking back over British history, the British leaders, you know, we saw them through, right?
41:18Pretty, in their core, I thought, they had to be.
41:19I mean, Britain didn't get where it did by simply blindly following our...
41:23I would say at present times, generally, it would be very difficult for Moses to be president.
41:25But Moses, who was our most brilliant president, in terms of the election,
41:28Possibly because he had a vocabulary of 67,000 words, which is twice as much as any other president.
41:41Impossible exception.
41:43I'm joking.
41:44Anyway, but Wilson, Wilson,
41:45did think of the dumb terms.
41:55Roosevelt did not.
41:58Neither one of them.
41:58If you think of T.R., he's a man who said he'd lead the charge on death and tributes and all that sort of thing.
42:01Well, true, after he left the presidency,
42:02He led a global movement against cash, and then he, of course, was fighting for American entry into World War I and wanted to leave the division and all the rest.
42:23He was Wilson's encounter, and it was necessary that he do black and white.
42:25But Wilson, as the president, was a very subtle, complex man.
42:26That is why he probably was known and praised as a progressive and as a liberal when he was president in the 30s.
42:30And those who, in some of them I think quite unfairly, were defuncting him.
42:43They turned him on as a grocery actionary who was just amusing the people.
42:44And then finally, at a centennial, he began to put it back and say, well, here's what I follow.
42:46So he was, he was decontaminated.
42:48So I'm talking to you.
43:11I'm talking to you.
43:13We have some of the foreign servants who still have the capacity to do the conversation.
43:30But it's a tremendous amount of exercise.
43:38So, who is the mentor?
43:39You know, it sounds like they're fine.
43:40They're fine for today's work.
43:41Who really?
43:42who was ever seen in the world quite like this in the 50s.
43:50Uh, for example, I was saying to the immediate retiring chief of the British Air Force, our naval forces, you know, I can't tell you what the command was saying there.
44:06I'll give you.
44:06Huh?
44:07Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
44:15And I was saying to him that in the 50s, I was a strong supporter of what we call the Eisenhower-Ross policy.
44:36Then the policy of, and it was derided as breakmanship, it was derided also as a massive retaliation arrest, but it was a viable policy.
44:40that when the United States had an enormous nuclear advantage, the United States could save the world if any place in the world, one of our allies or a country whose interest is under our attack, we will use, will consider to use, and might very well use our nuclear superiority to deter the attack or to answer
45:10that European defenses should be built on assurance.
45:25Today, and this has only happened to them in the last three years, but between 1962 and John Kennedy,
45:34and the Cuban Missile Crisis, even though it was, they felt at the time, I understand they felt, even though they felt it was a danger, a pure war, I go, I go, I go, and so forth, the danger really,
45:49was only great if there was a madman or a completely unrealistic leader in the Kremlin.
46:09There was no madman there, certainly in that period.
46:10And one thing you can say for our communists, they are enormously pragmatic and self-evident, if you ever listen.
46:14But at that time, when the United States manages to say, well, I'm going to do 10 to 1 over the Soviets, at that time, the policy would say, well, if you do this, get out of Cuba, or do you want to act?
46:36And the Soviet energy action, of course, would be another day.
46:38The nuclear equation has been mounted.
46:50You could say that either side can claim certain areas that it has an advantage.
46:55We have an advantage in C. We have an advantage in air.
46:57They have an advantage in throw weight.
46:58In numbers, we're roughly equal.
47:00they have advantage in terms of the conventional forces on the ground.
47:14So, the D, in terms of what it needs, may have what it needs.
47:16That's why it's sufficient because they have great land property to get a kind of military mix and lead.
47:19That is why land mortgages for them are sanctioned for the trans- and river and sea mortgages for us.
47:31But anyway, the NATO will live in the equation like this.
47:33The NATO will be current.
47:36It's not credible.
47:38uh, without a, without a conventional force.
47:57It does not need to be beaten with that.
47:59So, but it must be strong enough that it would discourage uh, adventurism nibbling away, pushing, attracting, etc.
48:05Uh, and, and uh, that it would be, uh,
48:07A few years ago, the conventional force was necessary for other reasons.
48:25It was necessary for the Europeans to see it there, to have the assurance that the Americans were there, and they were going to stand to get it.
48:29And therefore, as long as there are those many American divisions there, then my gosh, it would be pretty clear that the American nuclear punch might be used.
48:33But now, it's a different game.
48:34That's what it in terms of the So we did a greater, or we say a more believable, conventional turn in Europe.
49:00That was the case 50 years ago.
49:01And certainly, it's a case that we set up a little bit 25 years ago.
49:03Uh, then, without going into the, uh, the, uh, the change of the, uh,
49:11and what was once the monolithic character of the communist world between the Soviet and the Chinese.
49:34But the aberrations, although they're not nearly as great as some would say, but they are significant.
49:36The aberrations in the Eastern European countries that were being induced by the bombings under the surface even in countries like Poland.
49:39On our own side of the equation,
49:41The fact that, we just talked about American leadership.
50:03A Europe that was poor, as well as the Nazis.
50:04That was one thing.
50:04But a Europe that was rich, and where it was easy to keep a museum out of the on its feet.
50:09And the
50:09So that's why the concept of partnership we could talk about 25 years ago, now it becomes B.
50:29Does it mean the partners are all equal in strength or well or anything like that?
50:31But certainly...
50:33When you say who is the man, I can say that it's very difficult to look back in British American experience and find a time when the world was quite as complex as it is today.
51:01Certainly, certainly we can say this.
51:20Churchill at the end of World War II did see the great new forces evolving.
51:22And he thought that James Wooden's term was really essentially the term of military victory.
51:24And he was right.
51:24I'm not suggesting that everything we did was wrong and so forth, but Churchill was right to see the new situation.
51:27I would say that at this time, of everything else, rather than being a man out of the past, it needs to be, it needs to be some, the individual who watches this is a, has to be one who can prepare himself and has prepared himself to see the world as it is.
51:55and whose mind is open enough that he can change his past views that the situation has changed, who will not be locked in to preconceived notions
52:07He must have, he must have a deep down and a very, in my view, particularly to leave this country, he's got to have a basic idealistic concept because this is a very idealistic country.
52:27I mean, as you know, we're, you know, that's quite a foolish thing.
52:29The Americans are suckers for humanity and causes any place in the world.
52:50I don't mean suckers in the wrong sense, but you just ask a scientist, whether it's from U.S. or whatever the case might be, we'll help.
52:53If they had a huge fan in China, a communist fan, we would help if we could get the opportunity.
52:55We also, in terms of peace, we go overboard in thinking
52:56In fact, problems and pieces of work can all be solved in either a conference or in the United Nations or by discussion, et cetera, et cetera.
53:18We combine that with idealism.
53:19The idealists are always efficient.
53:21That's the weakness of idealism.
53:23And the idealists being impatient, therefore, destroy the very thoughts that they so deeply believe in because they become impatient with the international organizations, impatient with the slow process that is required to
53:42and get a kind of an alliance for how you work.
53:56So I would say a sense of history, second, a knowledge of the world as it is, third, an enormous capacity to keep up to date.
54:02to regulate time so whoever's here can frankly think about the problem, think about it, and by thinking about it, this is another important thing, not get tied down in the day-to-day kit-picking,
54:26They're irrelevant sometimes.
54:41Well, they may be relevant, but they're not very important.
54:46Arguments that go on in this place and that part of the room doesn't matter.
54:51Having the ability to recognize what is, what the priority really should be, what has to be done, keeping the eye on people.
54:54And I think what I say, we can't find people in past history that we,
54:56There are people who kind of, I would say in terms of the American president's mind, I was in the business as well, and all night, due to my mother's influence, I always had a tremendous admiration for Wilson because she was quite her passion.
55:17Even though Wilson got us, not didn't get us, or led us before, I thought that he was a man of peace and so forth.
55:19But as we look now at what the world may do, probably TLR as compared to Wilson, being more pragmatic and possibly just as idealistic would better fit this time.
55:41When you get closer to our period, it's harder to judge.
55:45I mean, I think you were very courageous in deciding to maintain American troops in the first place.
56:03You know, and I was a female too.
56:04And the enormous contribution to lowering the temperature.
56:08It's been very gradually realized since then.
56:10And it will be lowered still.
56:12We got it now, but quite a bit.
56:14We, again, and that's the other thing, perspective, perspective.
56:25We constantly keep talking.
56:26We had a security council meeting this morning, and people were worried about the wire service story, and they saw last night about this .
56:36It is a difficult time.
56:46This is a large, difficult movement.
56:47And any American involvement in the way that I think we must respond
56:53and perhaps a tribute to our peaceful world in the future.
57:13It is very difficult to go off, but it's being done.
57:14So the Laotians, the Laotian operation, just like Napoleon operating on that, I would never have wondered if I were thinking simply of the shark.
57:17In fact, it's so easy, that's the great temptation.
57:18Great temptations to sit here.
57:30Things are going pretty well.
57:31Nobody's really excited.
57:31If you look down that road, things are not perfectly next year.
57:33That again is the reason why it was necessary for the leader.
57:35to keep respecting details.
57:55I know that they're, that the business president wants to decide whether their mom should be involved, what's going to happen to them, turn the bullets and so forth.
57:59And all those things, all the experts on that.
57:59And one thing is to try to keep this perspective.
58:01Once the ocean thing is finished, later in the spring, then we can not understand it.
58:24And that would be why it's true as that, as far as we're concerned.
58:26See, this is the reason why I tell someone, I remember Jerry, how old he was, 45.
58:27I said, you were Jerry the black man voting.
58:28Now you're Jerry now.
58:30The important thing is how it's all going to come out in the end.
58:38Now, it may sound bad, but if we have made a decision,
58:40is the right decision based on the facts that were created to us.
58:59In the end, everything that we have done will assure our being able next year to look back on a successful end of the American War and the survival of Vietnam.
59:05How long?
59:06That's up to that.
59:07Now, in terms of the European thing, let me say, I think one thing I should emphasize to you.
59:22When I talked to you before, I would never have said this.
59:25I didn't believe it was true then.
59:25I thought it was true today.
59:27When Kennedy and his inaugurants said that we would fight any place anywhere in the world,
59:30That was an appealing lie.
59:40It frankly appealed to me.
59:43It was my, had been my view.
59:45That is no longer possible.
59:46And it's not only, it is possible for the United States to do it, but the American people no longer support it.
59:51See, that's what first Korea and then Vietnam had gone to it, has done.
59:56Now, both actions, I think,
59:57Once there, once we complete this one, I think this one, just like Korea, looks much better today than it did at the time we were going to be hanging in.
1:00:24So this one will look better later on, I hope.
1:00:25But the important thing is that the American people then
1:00:27We're outward-looking.
1:00:31We want our role in the forum.
1:00:33We're proud of our role in the forum.
1:00:36We have, of course, a potential opponent, a monolithic communist bloc that Americans should say, in 75, 80 percent, well, we'll salute you stronger than any of us.
1:00:56We'll do what we can to defend those who want to stand for freedom around the rhythm of the Communism in Asia and, of course, along the great line that divides Europe and, of course, the really wealthy countries of Latin America and Africa.
1:01:07There is a new isolationism.
1:01:13If it's interesting enough, the strongest among those who are great Europeans
1:01:15for the Washington United States, and I remember them so well.
1:01:33And as I do so myself, and as experts in the American community and the rest, the majority of Republicans were in that group.
1:01:37But we, along with the majority of Democrats, were a majority of the Congress, and it was a good thing that we worked.
1:01:39But now, those who supported the strong American role in supporting, you know, the European policy, the OTC,
1:01:42The 40s and 50s have supported the U.S. government in a character role in the world.
1:02:01They slowly peel off.
1:02:02Until now, there are other reasons for turning it.
1:02:03The first is disillusionment with the world, getting involved in a war with a small country, losing so many people not understanding why.
1:02:09There's also the fact that Americans are terribly concerned about their problems at home.
1:02:20See, that's the big thing.
1:02:20We have problems along the 50s.
1:02:22But they weren't in the service center.
1:02:33They came up with the race problem, you know, we had a little rock.
1:02:37It's just a little bit of what we look back.
1:02:38I said, we were out in the mountains today.
1:02:39I can't remember what a certain cause, if I remember correctly, was.
1:02:40But we had the race problem, we had the student problem.
1:02:41That and the student problem weren't mentioned in the 1940s or 50s.
1:02:43Even during the Korean War, you saw Hawaii.
1:03:03People were discouraged about the war.
1:03:07It was one of the factors that you saw the United States win.
1:03:08Now, you have a turning number here.
1:03:09It's the same turning number, it's an interesting thing, that you have all over Europe.
1:03:10The French turning, the Germans turning.
1:03:12The British, he comes along now at a very interesting time.
1:03:27And I've got to admire his guts.
1:03:30His guts are doing the right thing.
1:03:32And I'm sure the British people will see now that they should support him.
1:03:34any more than the American people may see now.
1:03:51Why?
1:03:52I don't think we have to continue to play our role in Europe, Derek.
1:03:53We continue to play, you see, the next doctrine, and why it is important to me, my method of getting out of Europe, is really a method of staying in.
1:03:56The only viable way we can stay in the world and play our role in aging is by expanding our forces.
1:03:58The last message included the whole world.
1:04:15The only way we can do it is for Americans not to be in the do-it-yourself world, but to be in the normal world, not be in the do-it-yourself world.
1:04:22Again, a very complex, sophisticated approach.
1:04:23Now, I understand the Chinese.
1:04:23I understand these people, Richard.
1:04:30And also, as they see the utter horror and unacceptable development of war in the future age, war has increased and become, for our world, an unacceptable instrument of policy.
1:04:54World War I, World War II, World War III.
1:04:56And the nuclear agents just kind of started to move off.
1:05:03And so they said, why don't I get engaged with you?
1:05:05They also, also, there's nothing in it in terms of glory, manifest destiny, all those great terms from the 19th, early 19th century, out of, out of energy group, no more.
1:05:30These, the days of Wilson's salt determination against the, it's all flowered to around the world nations that insist on their independence, they insist on,
1:05:33What we have is in all the developing countries,
1:05:54I'm sorry, I said, one, the almost bitterness about maintaining our forces.
1:06:13They'll do it.
1:06:13We'll do it still here.
1:06:14Georgia will still vote for an act of national defense.
1:06:15If you begin to make the case, are frustrated about
1:06:16and ministers in the world deeply concerned about the problems at all.
1:06:36Why should we go out and help the Africans?
1:06:37In Africa, why don't we help the Negroes in the United States?
1:06:38Why don't you help the Indians in India?
1:06:40Why don't we help our own American Indians here in the United States?
1:06:42We just don't understand.
1:06:42But it's, which sometimes,
1:06:43which I suppose, well, it's kind of ironic, was, see, the old isolationism was bitterly attacked by many as being totally selfish.
1:07:06Selfish in the sense why you're isolationist, you want to help the Europeans, you want to support 2.4 and 4.8 and all the rest, and share a lot with the rest of the world, so you're selfish.
1:07:11And the new isolationism, you see, has a very different motivation.
1:07:14Yet it is.
1:07:16We don't follow those others.
1:07:18Because there is a higher truth, a higher goal.
1:07:35In other words, we turn our eyes inward to help people here.
1:07:37It isn't that we don't help in the city.
1:07:38We don't isolate just to recuse, perhaps by properly not wanting to help other countries because they just want to keep it open or small, as people might expect.
1:07:42New isolations are not that big.
1:07:43They're deeply concerned about people, but they say, our people, not others, wrong people.
1:07:47Now, my approach is quite different.
1:08:00Here's where we get to all those mixes, which make you know a friend is probably one of you.
1:08:02Most of you are different people, and I go, what is that one?
1:08:04You've got to be vocal.
1:08:21I mean, if you count, like, Latin American, African, Asian, two-thirds of the people in this world, leading up to that, European, United States, you can't really sit there without assistance, help, and so forth and so on, because over a period of time,
1:08:26as the world gets smaller and smaller and closer and closer together.
1:08:46And that will be neighborhoods, those are the ghettos of the world.
1:08:49And so at the present time, too, as you look to the real world, we still must recognize that despite the fact that we are a charging camera, we must not have the impression that
1:08:54Despite that, although it can be said that the Soviet Union has changed, the Soviet leaders have changed, and they have their differences from the Communist Chinese, and possibly even they have changed,
1:09:06Nevertheless, their attitude toward the world has not changed in one mistake.
1:09:29It is still expansions.
1:09:31Expansionists, certainly, without risking any reward, if they can put it, but still expansions, because they have a deep, they have a deep conviction that not only a part of the world which is now a communist country,
1:09:36but to the extent that they can't consider their own national interest, they support those movements in the world which would break other nations.
1:09:48into that same orbit.
1:09:59Now, this is not a cold war, because it's quite, it's very different from one of those activities, but the leaders are different, the men are different, not only in, there's, shall we say, the more distant flights, the more pragmatic personalities,
1:10:09But nevertheless, with the world, as long as that situation exists in the world, that is why, again, coming back to our central basis, what is, and that's Western Europe, which is still the most important
1:10:38hard to learn as well in terms of the most blessed relations.
1:11:00You know, the salt talks, one of the major problems in the salt talks is what happens to the corporations, et cetera.
1:11:03But we simply have to retain this overall strength because, by the end, we have to realize that one of the reasons, I'll put it this way,
1:11:10Europe is turning, the great European nations, because their colonial experience is now finished and they're frustrated and tired and so forth and so on.
1:11:37The United States is turning.
1:11:37We also tend to say, what is Soviet doing here?
1:11:38China, not just China.
1:11:39Also now, I think China.
1:11:39But, for a different reason,
1:11:41There is a reaction, a very pragmatic reaction to the power that was developed that we have leading to their failure to succeed.
1:12:06It's true.
1:12:06Once a vacuum was formed,
1:12:08any place in the world.
1:12:22They will fill it.
1:12:25Which, I guess, is what I would be trying to say is that communism, whether it were Marxism, call it what you will, whether it's the Soviet variety, the Chinese variety, even though it's an older philosophy now, and more mature, less adventurous,
1:12:39It is still a revolution.
1:12:47Ours is not.
1:12:47When I speak of ours, it's Western.
1:12:48Western civilization.
1:12:48That's the difference.
1:12:49So what we do is to not draw our hands and say, here are a bunch of revolutionaries that are our enemies and so forth.
1:13:03What we do on a hurry-run, active basis is to say, all right, they have certain interests, we have certain interests, and this is the case as well.
1:13:10They have certain interests, we have certain interests.
1:13:12We are very blessed to reconcile our interests and recognize that
1:13:21It is vital for us to maintain various strength in all parts of the world now to allow vacuums to evolve in which the revelation records may move within the earth.
1:13:46And that expanding regimes
1:13:47Maybe you can talk about it now that the operation is closed and it ended successfully.
1:14:12What were the last, say, 48 hours of your Cambodian decision?
1:14:28You know, at that time, was this your most anguished decision so far?
1:14:30There were two.
1:14:31The period before my third speech, I had to...
1:14:36I still can't state the advice of someone who goes to social center rather than asking them to withdraw or this or that or the other thing.
1:14:47Say, why are you in Vietnam?
1:15:09Why are you intending to see the truth?
1:15:10And so if I had to do that, that was done the wrong way.
1:15:11And voting was just a one-sided decision.
1:15:12And by law, I'm not going to tell you which one is true and which one is not.
1:15:13That's the one advantage I have.
1:15:14I didn't let them all speak frankly.
1:15:15My daughter was not a leader in the district, but we were still moving to the side.
1:15:17But...
1:15:18But if the beat has to be...
1:15:21Cambodia was a natural, just as Laos was.
1:15:41Laos, not as difficult, because the Americans went around and were involved.
1:15:44You see, the reasons, there are two reasons why Laos hasn't reached as much love as Cambodia.
1:15:47First, the Cambodian work.
1:15:47So, therefore, the hell-readers figure, we've got a way to go now.
1:15:48The second reason, of course, is the ground forces.
1:15:49So that makes sense.
1:15:50Otherwise,
1:15:51As far as the employee is concerned, all the reasons for not doing it were tremendously persuasive.
1:16:13The fact that there would be a great public outpouring here, I knew that.
1:16:33That's why I had to do it on top.
1:16:33Because I could tell from the way that it seemed to happen, it seemed that particular month before.
1:16:39And also, another reason, there were dire predictions, estimates by
1:16:43that if the communists stood and fought in the race that we went into, that our major American unit that we had suffered a thousand casualties, we saw a light into that.
1:17:07The other side of it was that there's only one good reason for doing it.
1:17:10That was, if we didn't do it, I could see that it would be worse.
1:17:23Worse than the public alchemy in this country, worse than the casualties of King and Sutter, would have been the fact that the North Vietnamese would have extended the sanctions, the sanctuaries, probably toppled the handling of the government at that time, because it was very weak.
1:17:45Oh, but okay, you know.
1:17:48and therefore completely disrupted our program for an orderly patrol.
1:18:08That was the reason it had to be done.
1:18:11So I put all those reasons down, and all those on the other side, and this one on this side.
1:18:17I always believe that it's a very difficult decision.
1:18:40Everybody's a little different, you know.
1:18:41Some people like to have a secretary.
1:18:42They like to have their advisors around.
1:18:43I don't know how they all stood.
1:18:44We had lots of discussions.
1:18:49or when it comes to a moment of truth.
1:18:58And that is essential for whoever makes a decision-maker, at least for me, as a decision-maker.
1:19:03It's essential for me to get away from it.
1:19:05And then I sit down with my thoughts, my yellow pads, and I write down the reasons, summarize them all, and think about it.
1:19:26Or you don't, too.
1:19:27I do the same thing at the message station.
1:19:29But like the other day, with the problems Port Cheney discovered, people's data space and actions seemed like, you know, medium as compared to the top 10.
1:19:48But on the other hand, the sub-top 10, you know, gave such a powerful, politically powerful trade unions legislation.
1:19:55It was very near to their hearts to what,
1:19:58We had to put an argument there until I finally had it decided.
1:20:20I just cleared the room.
1:20:21In this case, I didn't take a couple of days.
1:20:22I didn't have to.
1:20:23I had to about an hour to get it decided.
1:20:25And since it goes back, I suppose it goes back to a particular law school, and you talk about lawyers and you find different kinds of people.
1:20:29In law school, we had fellows that loved both things.
1:20:37Some of them were very good students, but the way they used to like to determine how they prepared for an examination, they'd sit around and talk about it.
1:20:47and then they could look at the examination and do very well.
1:21:02I've heard, I've never sat around, not when I think closely, well I probably have both sides, sit in the classrooms, have a little lively discussion and sometimes discuss the case, but I always thought that I'd think more clearly when I think in an orderly way.
1:21:09I hear every point of view.
1:21:24I encourage everybody to speak.
1:21:27I cross their sand.
1:21:28I'm pretty good at crossing sand for a long time.
1:21:29I know what questions they're asking.
1:21:29I'm good at listening.
1:21:31But once I heard it, then I got to sit down and decide.
1:21:32I've always done that.
1:21:33It was about half a few years ago.
1:21:33And so I...
1:21:34I'd say that was a good, a good strong two days, two days, and that was great.
1:21:55We had the same on November 3rd.
1:21:56It was about two days, two days.
1:22:00You know, I just stopped to think of it, though.
1:22:06I was probably going to finish very well by the time he was reading and preparing for these receiving the Adams portraits and rereading some of the standards.
1:22:20He went like, God, get from what you think of what he went through.
1:22:22You know, no time to think about what you do this time, what you do that time.
1:22:24But I suppose the problems were different then.
1:22:33So you've got a war, you know.
1:22:38Now you've got a war, you've got to do something else.
1:22:41I can see how Johnson, how frustrated he must have been.
1:22:45A man, basically quite a strong man.
1:22:46But he sat here, and you know, he's, you know, he's a, he has done, he's the kind of person I'll even have to tell you about.
1:23:03Johnson loved to have people around him.
1:23:04He had those damn three television sets going, all three of them.
1:23:06The picker would be going into the bedroom, I sat in the kitchen room, sat in there, and he got in and out, called, get this, and called back, and he'd hear, he'd, every time the press read, he'd say, I mean, he had a great talk on the picker, but they said, call him, he's getting a report, and I'd raise hello, and I read it, and I said...
1:23:15Except at the end of the week.
1:23:23Well, I know everything that is said.
1:23:26I have a news center I see every morning.
1:23:28But I believe in reading it in a way that the reactions are almost totally the same way that I do.
1:23:30The worst decisions are those that are paid.
1:23:35And I feel that my greatest responsibility in this particular life that I've been through in this call is to be told to accomplish.
1:23:56It's not easy, but it's an easy task.
1:23:57Particularly in these days, we see the difficulties.
1:23:58But, it wasn't all on television.
1:24:22It wasn't all on instant communication.
1:24:23It wasn't people.
1:24:23Nowadays, people do media.
1:24:24The real question you see about the problems is who will be here.
1:24:37It has cooled off quite a bit.
1:24:37I think that any history records this administration.
1:24:40What are we going to contribute?
1:25:01I think, first, the war.
1:25:01We have to move on the ground.
1:25:02We have to move on the ground.
1:25:03I have no doubt about that.
1:25:03I know what we're going to be doing.
1:25:04So, we have done that.
1:25:04I think we've done a pretty good part on the program.
1:25:06I think we're going to get through some kind of a half-assed or maybe a very good welfare program.
1:25:08I think we're going to have to do that.
1:25:08and a great improvement in health for us.
1:25:26And I think we're also going to get something in our, some major, we don't get it now, we will lay the foundation for a massive government reorganization in the future.
1:25:29You always have to start four or five years early.
1:25:33Perhaps the most important contribution we've made, and it will not be something because we want it not to be, for reasons that are all supposed to be, is to get this country, the people of this country, in that period of incident,
1:25:55everything of living color, including blood on the screen, to get this nation to think in cruel, reasonable, mature terms about our problems at all and about our role in the world.
1:26:15I do not know whether it is possible, I do not know whether it is possible
1:26:17But I do know this.
1:26:37At the moment, the madness on this starts to blow.
1:26:38You know, I take, I go to the press conference, and I go to the senator's place, and I say, my God, Bob Hulse said, he said, I keep talking to him, and he said, I'm going to give you a purple heart for that one.
1:26:44I said, well, that's kind of crazy.
1:26:45Of course they are.
1:26:45But that's the machine.
1:26:45I mean, they...
1:26:47But the important thing is the President can be cool, unflappable, frankly, not exciting.
1:27:10Exciting in terms of certainly a revolutionary new program of returning government to the people and welfare reform and health reform and cleaning up the air and water and so forth.
1:27:16Maybe that.
1:27:18a cool, mature sense of perspective.
1:27:27This nation needs that now.
1:27:29The real question is whether America can, after two frustrating wars,
1:27:33And after an enormous internal agony, whether we can grow up to a sense of mature leadership.
1:27:48And by leadership, I mean leadership in a subtle way that I described in my talk yesterday.
1:27:50That's the real question.
1:27:51And any of you who come to Roy and want to comment on it, if you wonder whether we can, let me say, this is just America.
1:28:16A lot of, many European countries are going through the same traumatic experience.
1:28:18The youth problem, as you know, is not limited here.
1:28:19It's a problem.
1:28:19But we, but it must pass.
1:28:20It's got to pass.
1:28:20And
1:28:21Because with all of our talk, this is not my land.
1:28:30The world isn't that bad.
1:28:32And this is really quite a good time to be alive.
1:28:41When we think about some of the things that you went through in your life and I went through, my God, we're lucky to, you know, people who work in these offices, we're lucky to be where we are.
1:28:52But perhaps it's education.
1:28:55That is something to do with it.
1:28:55Perhaps it's the fact that, but first, it's education and also it's education.
1:28:59Now, one of the things that saves me is that I'm a reader rather than a looker.
1:29:13I never look at television.
1:29:16But you know the way I handle television?
1:29:16I read in the summer.
1:29:17I read in the cold time.
1:29:18I can tell, I can tell from reading.
1:29:19In other words, I know Frank Wright said it last night, Tom Jarrell, Eric Severine, all the way.
1:29:23Very important to know that because television is what affects the reading.
1:29:26I've got a lot of people sick, but
1:29:29But individuals, I think that's what I mean, in any period, and maybe it was a better period, a more concentrated period, in a period when people thought more, read more, perhaps decisions.
1:29:49And the difficulty now is that this is where it sits, and this on the center.
1:30:09And he doesn't watch out like me.
1:30:09And I've kind of got to learn how to do pretty well.
1:30:12He doesn't get so bogged down seeing me doing things.
1:30:13And he has all that to torture himself night after night looking at the television or reading his press release.
1:30:16He died.
1:30:16Hell, I read my press release.
1:30:17I didn't get to be here.
1:30:17You know, I can vary more often than people of vision.
1:30:34But you know, I don't.
1:30:34I've come to think that it is for me more important to watch the others come to have a touch, so that I know how the next one sees you, rather than be in the strong direction, because that's only a small group.
1:30:44And...
1:30:48You see, I think that it will create a better atmosphere.
1:31:11That was really quite important to us, the one before us.
1:31:12The question was, so is it really hostile?
1:31:13And I don't think it is hostile.
1:31:14We'll follow that, though, with the one on, the three on one.
1:31:24Listen, there's a nice forum that we could use that, and we'll have a general press conference in the future.
1:31:27You've never covered one of these in the office, have you, for example?
1:31:29No.
1:31:29I figure what I'll do, I'll, don't, for God's sake, tell anybody.
1:31:43I'll have a cigarette the next time I have it.
1:31:46I'll have one of those in about three weeks, and after a week, and the next, why, I don't know.
1:31:49I don't know what I'm going to do.
1:31:50They're very different styles.
1:31:52You know, he said, you know, through your talk, I'm going to contemplate it.
1:31:53You can't be contemplating that.
1:31:54The first time, you know, you ought to see the question, and there's answers around here.
1:31:56I said, look here, folks.
1:31:57In 28 minutes, I'm supposed to answer at least one of your 25 questions.
1:32:16Now, when you figure the time, the guy that asks the question usually comes in between 15 to 20 seconds, so that's about 35 seconds in an answer.
1:32:19Now, one of the answers is kind of empty in a minute and a half to two minutes, usually in the first or second.
1:32:22So what is your policy there regarding RPA and RSA?
1:32:23I can't.
1:32:23But when you get down to that, it's like you want to be still in a sedentary mood.
1:32:25I mean, try this for a sign.
1:32:25If you want to get rough, just cute or something like that, the press conference becomes totally a show, and not all the time.
1:32:44And so the trick here is to get the press conference around to the point where you can press everything in 35 seconds, and that's quite a mental exercise.
1:32:50It's fantastic.
1:32:50It's fantastic.
1:32:50It's good.
1:32:51Yeah, it's good.
1:32:51I told his boss, Michael, hurry in here or we're going to have to follow up because we're going 40 to 50.
1:33:12Well, if you've got 300, you can't follow up because you've got to make, you've got to make one that I can't have 300.
1:33:15I said, why don't you answer my question?
1:33:16You know?
1:33:16I think all that worked out.
1:33:17Well, he just spoke for 30 minutes and then took three questions.
1:33:18Once a year.
1:33:18I attended two of them.
1:33:19But you've seen them.
1:33:19I saw one on television.
1:33:20I saw one on television.
1:33:23What if I made contact with you now?
1:33:44Remember, what happens if you withdraw from Vietnam?
1:33:45You're influenced all of a sudden from that dimension.
1:33:46Except one thing.
1:33:46What are you doing on your system?
1:33:47Would it be an alt package?
1:33:47Like Thailand, we have great influence on Thailand.
1:33:48We have great influence on the government.
1:33:49We have great influence on the Korean government.
1:33:50So we'll have standards.
1:33:51But it withdraws.
1:33:51It does actually reduce our rate.
1:33:52But you know, what he said, what he has, is that the Chinese government is now in contact with a lot of Asia, and you know, it's all the ties.
1:34:10Ties put yourself in their position.
1:34:12Yeah.
1:34:12So see there, they see the Chinese, they see Hanoi, they wonder about the American today.
1:34:15That's another reason why they love the U.S. Go ahead.
1:34:16Do they foresee the development of third forces?
1:34:17countries, as a consequence of both.
1:34:30Whitewash, right?
1:34:30Which would be like what?
1:34:31Like second or maybe third, fourth century, both Thailand or possibly, you know, like 10 years time, generally.
1:34:38But I mean, the real point here is we do not want a relationship of dependence.
1:35:01We don't want a relationship.
1:35:02You don't want it.
1:35:03The British don't want it.
1:35:03It isn't going to work anymore.
1:35:04These countries can't develop the capability of being able to maintain their independence.
1:35:06and irrelevantly neutral stance, that is certainly a goal that we certainly quarrel with.
1:35:26However, that they're just taking their time, that would be very dangerous for them to try to do.
1:35:28Right.
1:35:28Because they just don't get it.
1:35:29Wow.
1:35:29But is it who's, if you say, who you're talking about?
1:35:32Yeah, who you said, I don't think it was my friend themselves,
1:35:34You see, they have to let us know.
1:35:41But, suppose we're down.
1:35:43Let's suppose, let's just suppose all we've got is the old American prisoners.
1:35:47So we've got a residual force of, who knows, about 39,000.
1:35:57I won't say the number, whatever it is, but that whole part.
1:36:01And they say, well, we'd like to .
1:36:24We're willing to have them deliver something out in terms of .
1:36:25We could deliver it.
1:36:26Unless, of course, .
1:36:26But once that is out, and then we're out, then they .
1:36:34We don't see the future of South Korea, not the way we see the future of South Korea, which we would be destined to maintain as we move forward.
1:36:58Put it this way, if we could get in South Vietnam, if we had in South Korea a total control, then we would not have to maintain American portions because we, American ministry, and the South Vietnamese, can defend themselves.
1:37:06But it was so, so, it created a difference of circumstances.
1:37:22Of course, you have the Chinese involved.
1:37:22You have to leave the South Korean press.
1:37:25Of course, we are now beginning to reduce that presence.
1:37:27Take a little time.
1:37:27Because the South Koreans are a hell of an army.
1:37:29Now, the question is, in regard to the South Vietnam might be an option when they have the resolution control to withdraw.
1:37:40We're for a control to withdraw.
1:37:42But, on a human basis, if they withdraw, then we'll get out of here.
1:37:48because there doesn't seem to be any lack in the settlement.
1:38:10There doesn't seem to be any attention to our economy.
1:38:12It's true that there are a lot of problems.
1:38:15But I don't want to be completely bearish.
1:38:18They have problems.
1:38:18They're on three fronts.
1:38:40They fight in our discussions.
1:38:41They don't have the friendly waters as they used to have in South Vietnam.
1:38:42In South Vietnam, they used to hunt for like white-out sheep.
1:38:45It's been quite remarkable what has happened there.
1:39:04It's hard for me to believe, I know, I've been to Vietnam so often, and I know all the presses, not all the local presses, about the iron, about the Soviet, and the rest.
1:39:10They're corrupt, they're inefficient, they won't fight.
1:39:11It's changed.
1:39:11That's the thing we have to bear in mind.
1:39:12Well, Thomas says this.
1:39:13He's my bad observer.
1:39:13It's...
1:39:15So, yeah, what was the challenge?
1:39:24Is it, would it be possible if you were imitated by the neighbors, not because you're Mr. Spoon?
1:39:31Right, yes.
1:39:32and give me a hand with my book in the middle of the night.
1:39:53Yes.
1:39:53And would it be possible maybe in six months' time to put it in a meeting?
1:39:56Six months, right, yeah.
1:39:56I'd like to be more cooperative, but as you know, these guys out here, Ray, Phil, I saw one of your colleagues worse than 30.
1:40:00And you know, he's around in Calgary, so of course I saw him in my eyes.
1:40:17He was a guy who saw work, and he wanted to see me.
1:40:20But we understand.
1:40:20I'm sure we'll be glad to in six months.
1:40:21But Henry, I'll be glad to hear if he wants your approval.
1:40:23And you know, he's fun.
1:40:24He's fun, like, about this period.
1:40:26In the tiniest time, it's one-tenth of a million.
1:40:39All right, it's one-tenth.
1:40:41It used to be one-tenth of a million.
1:40:43Henry, I just finished my talk with Henry Brandon, and I told him that we would cooperate with him, and that you would.
1:40:48So in six months, he should come back and touch base again.
1:40:49So I'll have you go to your office now.
1:40:50We've got an interview to see.
1:40:51Who are you with?
1:40:51What do you have to say to him?
1:40:54But no, no, no, he doesn't want to talk to you now.
1:41:13I just thought you'd just stop by and say, well, maybe I finished, but I just wanted you to know I approved the procedure.
1:41:17He said he'd talk to you about it.
1:41:18All right, fine.
1:41:18Thank you very much.
1:41:19Well, it's a complicated word.
1:41:19Maybe in six months we've got better news.
1:41:21Yes, well, I think you probably will.
1:41:21Oh, I think so.
1:41:22Well, the legal system, I think it's going to work.
1:41:23It may not be what it says.
1:41:37Well, it is going to be great.
1:41:42It is going to be.
1:41:43It did nothing.
1:41:43We didn't know what he expected.
1:41:44It's a destruction activity.
1:41:45Just like Canberra.
1:41:46Nothing finishes anything in the war, in the modern world.
1:41:47The only thing that would finish is to go in and take out Hanoi.
1:41:48But those days are gone.
1:41:49Those were the easy days, aren't they?
1:41:50Not that we want to do it.
1:41:50I wish we could.
1:41:51Well, here's my message to your people in blood.
1:41:52They ran once.
1:41:53You've got them again.
1:42:32I thought that was the end of the session, of course.
1:45:12You don't have much harder than that, do you?
1:45:33and I can't really, I can't, there's got to be something wrong with it.
1:45:54I talked to Charlie York, he met over talking to Utah.
1:45:57Utah told us that yesterday, the South Vietnamese,
1:46:11I'm gonna call it a service.
1:46:29He came in to see him and he said that he was acting under instructions from himself.
1:46:36He said the ambassador told him that.
1:46:37The ambassador to himself did not say exactly.
1:46:39And he said that
1:46:40that he'd been asked to come to talk to UConn, that they were concerned about the deteriorating situation in Laos.
1:47:01And he referred to the loss of Hill 30 and presented to Hill 31.
1:47:03And then he ended up, I say, that his government asked him, under the Secretary General, to have his advice.
1:47:09Utah said, well, he didn't really know what advice he had in mind for the rest of the team.
1:47:21Then he said that all I could do, that Utah said all I could do was ask for the ocean, ask for the community to see me, and to talk to him about the situation.
1:47:28So Yutan is going to call here to ask for the ocean charge data.
1:47:46Master's not here to visit New York to come see him on Tuesday.
1:47:50This makes no sense at all.
1:47:50First place part of anybody from South Vietnam going to see Yutan.
1:47:53Yutan has been hostile to the town.
1:47:54I'd like to stall it right here to take over.
1:47:57First, I didn't want anybody to know about it, except for me.
1:48:16Secondly, I thought I'd call the American trust in Louisiana, ask them what the hell is going on.
1:48:20Then, as soon as I got the story, then probably tell them they ought to charge me and don't go.
1:48:24And then we'll have Bush tell Utah that all things have been a mistake.
1:48:43It's the kind of thing that Utah loves to surface.
1:48:44It loves to tell the press about it.
1:48:45You can't trust that slimy son of a bitch, though.
1:48:46You don't know what he's up to.
1:48:46Except when we tell us, he tells us.
5:36I'm not sure that we should ever do it, but I showed it to George Bush, and they said, if we decide to change our position on China, of course, I'm not sure we should.
6:05We've got an NCP.
6:06But you and I talked about this one time, you know, we just definitely had an issue.
6:24And I said, I think we should do it.
6:25And I got a very slightly interested.
6:25I'm telling you, if we could do it, I mean, you know, it could be, I think it probably, in any event, if we should do it, it should wait until after the Korean elections.
6:30Because it might cause problems in the U.S.
6:32It includes a representation of the two Vietnams, which the Russians wouldn't like at all.
6:55But sometimes, just put a degree of ice in my cup and I'll have a look at it.
6:57I know I'm not a radio public, but I've been doing a little thinking around the salt lake.
7:00Before they go back to Mars, it may be that I may want to either say something,
7:25It depends on how it feels.
7:45Let me put it this way.
7:45I'm not as bearish about it as some people are willing to give something back.
7:50Right now, let me say all that for your information.
7:51I want to talk, I don't think about it for a while.
7:52I'm just going to let it go now.
7:53It doesn't have to be before March 15th, I said, but I would like to do it in terms of where, if I do it here, where the human body tells him that I'm absolutely, I don't have the confidence I can do this.
8:20I think he does as well as he can, considering the people that are there.
8:43But I feel that he looks at this thing.
8:44I'd rather...
8:45Unless anybody will be involved as long as we go to the meeting.
8:51So it's personal.
8:51Sometimes you miss your turn.
8:55There's just too much of a tendency sometimes to want to fight things off the paper.
9:15However, this is a big play.
9:16You know, if you really come down to it, you know, if you're going to agree with the Russians, this might be a, you know, big end to something else.
9:19But if we do it, I think we've got to get it right here.
9:20I don't think it's going to be a big end.
9:21You know what I mean?
9:21So give us a thought for that, but I understand that we, I don't know what I would do, but I would particularly suggest that we, we ought to keep that very close to account, you know.
9:47I was asked about home the other day, what you, how you felt about it, basically.
9:49My only feeling is that if we could get an agreement, which became effective at the end of this year, technically signed,
9:52And as long as it didn't cause us to have any disadvantage, as long as we have the opportunity to develop all of these, we would develop anyway.
10:15And really stop things that we probably wouldn't stop anyway.
10:17I'm on the same track.
10:17I've been thinking a lot about it.
10:19I told her, hey, you can't do that.
10:40We need to discuss what I can do.
10:40I'm not going to read this stuff.
10:41But I think something might come.
10:42Because I think maybe they can do something, too.
10:43I don't know.
10:43It's just a matter of saying.
10:44Say what you do.
10:45Well, I don't think a lot of the same land would affect that.
10:57Also, it would be an enormously good thing to have, if we could get something said or done, or at least some indications, in this spring, which would take a few decades, this Christmas.
11:04But I think, I don't think there's a perfect reason to be like that.
11:16I think we'll be on 10 miles.
11:16Well, they never do it on television.
11:18And it's that one of their episodes that I can see.
11:21I don't look at it, but I read it.
11:22And how horrible it is.
11:22And Bill, the whole trouble is that you can't blame them.
11:23You can't blame them.
11:25The whole damn defense department was called PR crazy.
11:39And I personally, I was in a lot more trouble on this thing.
11:40Let them squeal.
11:41Let them squeal.
11:41Look at the bloody days after football games.
11:42Vince Lombardi, whenever he lost a game, he would let it bite him for 30 minutes.
11:55Ted Williams, of course, you know he never loves to press in after the baseball player loses a game for half an hour.
11:58Oh, hell, this is war.
11:59So the press squeals with Ted Williams.
11:59And most of the people said he cried.
12:08What do you think, Cooper?
12:12I can't even, I just think we just got crazy to get ourselves beat over the head bloody.
12:14I talked to all our experts, and he's going to do everything I can.
12:16He will.
12:17Jesus, you're actually ready for the war.
12:36You never let a guy talk to the press after you've been in the battle.
12:37What we used to do was afterwards, we took them when they were ready.
12:39And what we used to do was when we were ready, we'd let them go talk to the press.
12:40And we didn't do it under orders, we just did it to make sense.
12:42I mean, that was the choice we had.
12:42And we didn't, we just did a little talk to the press, and we were ready.
12:57But on the, on the salt, and let us, let us develop our own strategy, but let us continue to work on the table support.
12:59We must do that.
12:59Because it has to be done successfully.
13:00Okay.
13:00Well, I'll see you.
13:01All right, President.
13:02Well, how's the weather today?
13:20Oh, that hasn't been very good.
13:21You go to camp days over the weekend?
13:21No, no, I can't.
13:22So I got to do some New York jobs.
13:23I'm going to stay here to work.
13:23Oh, say, what's another thing you want to do?
13:24I know this damn Paul Thompson job in New York.
13:25Yeah, what do you do about that?
13:26Oh, yeah, I'm still in New York.
13:26Do you ever think about the possibility of George Browning?
13:28Yeah.
13:28Somebody has to do these.
13:29He's all good at it.
13:30I don't want him to ever get the feeling that you're trying to kick it off.
13:47He was such a salesman.
13:48Well, you told me one time that there was a problem with civil rights issues.
13:50Yeah, there was.
13:51We were going to take action, though, and he didn't want that.
13:52And now he seems to be relatively happy.
13:54Well, that's because I had the other fellow go, thanks so much for being angry with us.
13:55He's all terrific.
13:56Terrific at what he's doing.
13:57Well, it'd be good to have a half-billion dollars to spend.
14:05Well, I don't want him to feel, you know, George is difficult.
14:25I swear I tell a lot of other people.
14:26You know what I mean?
14:26He does the best he can.
14:28It's hard for him to be able to relax over there and bring him all the time.
14:29And you know the problem he's facing.
14:30The whole problem of immigration.
14:34This is the way you can do it.
14:42Because it doesn't involve silver mining.
14:44Open, open community.
14:45Yes, I mean, anybody's got a right to go in.
14:48Anybody has a sign, zones against blacks, Jews, anybody else will break it down constantly.
14:50But you can't say to a neighborhood, here's a neighborhood of homeowners,
14:51These little people, Pig the Little was not this rich.
15:00He paid $25,000 for this little house.
15:05So you go put a great, big, ugly public housing project right in the middle of it.
15:07God damn it, you can't do that.
15:08It destroys the property values.
15:08You know, people live like pigs.
15:09It is just, even as a white, an early man told me an interesting thing.
15:13He said, in the state of Washington, they have the same problem.
15:21And they tried to put a public housing project out in a suburban area where a lot of people who lived in Boise and other places were $20,000 to $25,000 houses.
15:28There was a whole bunch of people.
15:29There was a group of whites.
15:30a white public housing project.
15:41It's like, well, suppose where you live, for example, somebody said they're going to put a public housing project across the street.
15:46You'd fight it, wouldn't you?
15:47It's a value.
15:47And that's what this is about.
15:49It isn't black versus white.
15:50It's economic.
15:51It's economic.
15:51Well, I'm going to have a little...
15:54He's at Camp David.
16:00You might give him a call.
16:01I'll give him a call.
17:22Mr. President, as soon as .
17:31Sure.
17:44I have two items, three items, and one other thing.
18:02One is the enterprise.
18:04Oh, yeah.
18:05Roger says Allende went on national television yesterday.
18:09It was coming, and that he wanted to show the American sailors authentic democracy.
18:16Roger Spilfield said we ought to cancel it.
18:24And we'll take a little flat.
18:28Oh.
18:29He's already been on television.
18:29Authentic democracy.
18:30See, he shows that he's using it for the worst and problematic purposes.
18:32And he had...
18:33Laird has already announced today that it would be operationally difficult.
18:55And Laird said he'll take the heat for it.
18:56We have to delay it for a while.
18:56Why don't we put it that way?
18:57I wouldn't pretend to.
18:57No, we'll just say we'll do it some other time.
18:58Yeah, we will.
18:59We'll do it from an operational standpoint.
19:00We've got various operations.
19:00It's a very good point that we can't do it this time.
20:36And he'd like to hold off with the farming authorization until next week.
20:44He's willing to do it, but he...
20:48I thought you said he wasn't.
20:50Well, he now says he's willing to do it, but...
20:57The political reason he told last night... Yeah, well, he repeats that.
20:59He says the political reason is serious.
21:00He just doesn't want to make it look that because we lost the hill, we now have to go and farm it.
21:06Fair enough.
21:12I think he's, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not too, uh, I just thought the psych, I wasn't doing it because I wasn't doing it.
21:18I just thought that psychologically it was a damn good thing to do.
21:20He's banned.
21:21And also, I, I must say, the day after the tax statement, to then hit them, I'd just like to see whether we get an answer from Kosykin through your letter.
21:31What is the, uh...
21:37What's your evaluation of Tennessee?
21:52My evaluation is that...
21:54I think it's the minimum that they could do.
21:56They would have got a hell of a lot of... Well, I think they must have had some help from Hanoi.
22:00Why it is that they didn't make any statement of support.
22:04And China must have attacked them.
22:06I think it's the minimum that they can do, but maybe it indicates that they're shifting to a tougher line, I said.
22:25I doubt it.
22:25You couldn't draw that conclusion.
22:26After Cambodia, they made an immediate statement.
22:27They held a press conference.
22:28They went into high gear.
22:28This time, they said nothing official.
22:29I wonder if they're doing it because they think that maybe they're going to get public support from France here and general support in this country.
22:33I think that's one of the factors.
22:34That's what I was thinking.
22:34And I think that the public support is...
22:36See, we always react to that.
22:45But as a matter of fact, it's interesting to notice they're setting the doves at one hell of a time.
22:48They're splitting without slamming the knee and all these other things.
28:52What's your conversation supposed to be about at the end of the day?
29:07Till then.
29:07And I just wondered if you might have an answer from both on the letter and the letter.
29:10I compare the way it's going to stop.
29:14It's not going to stop.
29:14It's going to stop.
29:15I didn't have any confidence.
29:33I didn't want him to have any discussions with me.
29:34I said, I've been thinking greatly about this whole assault case.
29:35I might want to make a statement or I might want to write a letter or something.
29:37And I said, if I do, I'll tell you.
29:37You're going to tell me, but I'm not going to let him in.
29:39Now, you see, I figured we'd do it.
29:39Now, if he doesn't come and get it,
29:40I think Mr. President, if he doesn't come, you ought to make a public statement offering it publicly.
29:55That's what I was saying.
29:57I mean, because if we don't get an answer, then I would make a very forthcoming offer.
30:06Before, Steve, so that we can, I told Bill, I said, we have got to get the credit actually for anything that happens in our school.
30:18And I said, it can't be said it's going to be great.
30:20And I said, he's a small player and had no trust.
30:21I put it right to him.
30:21I said, therefore, I've got to make a statement about it.
30:22I didn't have to take a letter to him, but he...
30:23I just, I might not write a letter the next day before the thing begins, and I will not discuss this then, because we're all set on that.
30:45Now that we're almost here, of course, you can go over.
30:46I hope it's a letter.
30:47Oh, that would be spectacular.
30:48That would be great.
30:48That would set up the doubts a bit.
30:49Well, how is your feeling about your state of the world coming up?
30:50I think it's gotten very respectful attention, I don't know.
30:52I thought that the Times and the Post and the Trials were obviously taxed.
31:07They were really pretty small potatoes.
31:10That's all they could get away with.
31:11The Vietnam side, nothing new.
31:12Well, they have the problem.
31:13They cannot give you the reputation of being thoughtful and philosophic.
31:15If Kennedy had put out such a document, how McNamara put out a pastoral statement on defense, it was considered the greatest intellectual innovation in government.
31:22I met with a European correspondent last today, and they are enthusiastic.
31:38Brands liked it.
31:38He liked it.
31:39Oh, they did.
31:39The point is, as I said, don't be disappointed in the times you posed to us.
31:46Part of what you expected.
31:47Oh, no, last year, the post was worse.
31:48Was it?
31:48I don't think so.
31:48It wasn't bad.
31:49I just, I got it deliberately just to see what, because I knew it was good, and I knew it deserved to be retrieved.
32:08But as it turned out, it got a lot of coverage.
32:12It got a lot of coverage.
32:12An arm's coverage.
32:13And that was all that was my health.
32:14Everybody didn't have to do anything like that.
32:14The average person didn't care.
32:15I thought more than well this morning.
32:16He did that.
32:16He did the, you know, laid it out there in a calm way.
32:17It was pretty good.
32:18I notice now that they're cutting out polls.
32:32Yes, I saw it on Harry Reid, Megan.
32:35Well, Dr. Karnes and Harry Reid.
32:37Well, I think that the liberals are doing a slow burn.
32:39Rexon called me up.
32:39I was on Cal this morning for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, to give background on the report.
32:43Of course, I should have known that I cleared it with all the men and clients.
32:47You were online.
33:00Yeah, but I wasn't going to talk about substance, but I should have known this couldn't work.
33:09So, of course, they immediately sent in a substantive question, and I said, that's the only one I'm going to answer.
33:12But I don't want to give the impression that I'm ducking it.
33:13Sure.
33:13And, uh, so, of course, immediately Respa called me up and said, you know, become the public spokesman.
33:15He said, this is the most sickening administration for...
33:17newsman that he's ever seen.
33:30He said, the way you're handling Laos, he said, you're invading a sovereign country.
33:38And never even tell the foreign government, never even tell the American public, I said, you know, where you are, that you should be so much more underage than Sivana Foma, that there hasn't been one word of complaint from him, and have you, I hope, and you're right to
33:45You're going to point out that the North Vietnamese were there five years before.
34:03Eight years.
34:04Over eight years before.
34:04What did he say?
34:05Well, he said, oh, yes, I understand, but this whole thing is just sickening.
34:06And here it is.
34:07A war.
34:07Yeah, a war.
34:07What's that mean, a war?
34:08I think they just can't sense the thought that this might work, the thought that the war isn't ending, the thought that they have no alternative.
34:14And the fact that the war is not ending.
34:19And they have no alternatives to ending it.
34:24No, the point is it is ending.
34:29This is the end.
34:30Anybody, if they're all they want about this, they will more succeed.
34:32The end is quicker.
34:35You know that.
34:36Of course.
34:36And those four North Vietnamese divisions.
34:37I'm glad they're pulling out these South Vietnamese ones.
34:39That's what made me so cruisy.
34:40I didn't believe this airborne unit was any good.
34:43They just didn't move because they never saw him.
34:57I think they're going to leave those North Vietnamese there, and they must have raised them, because I'm concerned.
35:02But, you know what, Preston, I really wondered if you ought to let him manage to call like that.
35:06Well, I had been buttering him up a bit, and I had been buttering him up, and I was very tough with him.
35:15So this is a sickening for him to hear that?
35:16A sickening for news management.
35:19But he was incoherent because he accused us of the embargo.
35:23He accused us then of the press conference.
35:27He said that Laird held his weight.
35:30I said, you can't be sure about Laird.
35:33He says, how does Ehrlichman have the right to brief Republican senators and not testify before Congressional Committee?
35:46And he said Ehrlichman is briefing Republican senators, but refuses to testify before Congressional Committee.
35:52He briefed, why didn't you tell him Ehrlichman briefed all the Democrats at breakfast?
35:56Yeah.
35:57And I didn't tell him our calling back.
36:04He briefed all the Democrats and referenced exactly the same briefing.
36:11And he has offered to brief all of the Democrats.
36:16He can't testify before the committees.
36:17That's the job of the Kavanaugh, but he's also has offered to brief the Democratic caucus.
36:19They're going through it.
36:20Of course, if we should pull off this...
36:22Yeah, good luck.
36:27It's, uh, so... Don't worry about it.
36:33Well, I'll tell you, don't... As far as your report is concerned, don't worry about it.
36:41Well, I'm the owner of the bus that was pulled.
36:44I don't think it got that good of an outreach.
36:46But as I said, the editorial is really pretty goddamn stupid.
36:47Those people have to give some credit.
36:48It's a damn report.
36:48It's a damn good report.
36:49Kid Bob needs it.
36:51I expect it.
36:57I don't think you're getting...
37:13I'm not doing you any good on the Middle East, and I don't want to be a... No, no, no.
37:18You come and sit in the Middle East like everybody else.
37:20Nobody has an answer.
37:22I don't have an answer either.
37:22But I just think you've got to listen to everybody you have to see it through.
37:24That's the deal then.
37:24I don't know.
37:39I've seen it.
38:04I don't know.
38:05Because he had to see me again at Secretary Buck, to give you an opportunity to reaffirm your commitment to the Adrian, Dr. Peterson, etc., in the best way possible.
38:24I mean, in March, I didn't know what a water station was, and I didn't know what a line station was.
38:26Well, probably since the President, well, no, we didn't know how long those are.
38:28This credential says I'm on post-October for about a month, month or two.
38:40We've got it too, we've got it in.
38:41What's this?
38:43and forget why there's one of them that has to be done.
38:58So they were doing the other two, and then we are knocking on dirt.
39:00I just sit there all of a sudden, and they ask, and I just do them all, and they're like, oh, there's a three-month spot.
39:03Well, I don't like to be next to a nine-and-a-half.
39:04You guys have a problem with stacking, you know, you've got to have an unaccredited picture, right?
39:09And also the iron.
39:09We have to do those again.
39:10Yeah, we've got a backplug still, but we're not going to do it.
39:12We're going too far.
39:30Don't think we've done everything.
39:30Do us a favor on this.
39:31You want to start shifting some back to the beginning.
39:32We've done that.
39:32We can do this one.
39:33We've got another batch of them.
39:33Let's do this one.
39:34Let's do those.
39:34Okay.
39:41But I do not want to, I don't want press coverage on the ceremony.
40:01You understand?
40:01Live or otherwise, okay?
40:03Just keep it, make it a private ceremony.
40:04But why is it still the same thing?
40:04It's not a particularly good thing to be on the press.
40:06I don't want to be talking about it.
40:06Just tell them, make it a private ceremony, clear it.
40:08I may have all my way.
40:09All right.
40:31He just wants to run.
40:48That's all.
40:49What does Al think?
40:50Isn't that brilliant that he's just pissed off that he isn't running?
40:53And I said, Rogers is gonna run this one.
41:06He doesn't really know how to cope with it himself.
41:10Did they get the questions to be in motion?
41:12And I asked all the questions and got answers and everything.
41:13Why?
41:13Because basically it didn't bear out of speeders.
41:14And he said, well, you can call and do this and that.
41:18And I called him and he asked me a few questions.
41:20I said, is that it?
41:22Henry wasn't.
41:47Where'd it all come from?
41:48Well, he was concerned about the way Henry was reacting to the track.
41:49He didn't want to do anything.
41:52And he said he'd give you questions.
42:04No, no, no, no, no, no.
42:05It's not a black cat.
42:08It wasn't like, no, no, no, there was a Kevin.
42:13I mean, no, no, no, there was a Kevin who saluted with his left hand.
42:21Now, God damn it, there were at least eight staff people in that room.
42:25Everybody laughed when he said it.
42:27And then his brother said it.
42:28He said that I was the one.
42:29And this is what I thought they were going to find out.
42:30It wasn't that easy.
42:33He slew with his left hand on something.
42:38And second, he said, he said, this is mine.
42:40He was reciting his name in a quiet voice.
42:42And the little boy spoke up real loud and said, no, his name is Skinner.
42:46Now tell somebody to search his memory.
42:48It's on the right side of about the third down as they went down on the left side.
42:59It was a white kid.
43:09Was he about that age, six or eight years young?
43:31The incident was so amusing.
43:39That's the whole point.
43:48If anybody didn't get there on time, it'd be an argument.
43:49All I need was the third guy on the ground.
43:50I didn't know if there was a third N88 down there.
43:51If I didn't see anybody, it would be an argument.
43:52It was a very amusing incident.
43:53I don't remember the guy that's
43:55and somebody else in there.
44:08I'm sure they will.
44:10I didn't do the math.
44:10I want to say hello to Perry.
44:11I want to thank him for his work.
44:11Dick Perry, who's been recruiting.
44:20President.
44:33Yes, how are you?
44:53Good to see you, sir.
44:54Good to see you.
44:54After all your work, we ought to at least say hello to you.
44:55I understand you're going to leave.
44:56Yes, I am.
44:56I'm actually on a full-time base.
44:57Well, this all needs help.
44:57He's the meanest man.
44:58I know.
44:58Well, listen, you've done a terrific job.
44:59You have, too.
44:59You've got some excellent reports on the whole thing.
45:00I just wanted you to know that I'm very grateful.
45:15Well, thank you very much.
45:16Get this train cleaned up.
45:16We've got enough time.
45:17I'll be back to work with you at 73-0.
45:18Good.
45:18Good.
45:18All right.
45:18Do that.
45:18We're working close to the track.
45:19We're working on the interior.
45:19Good.
45:20Good.
45:20Is he leaving after the show?
45:20Yes, he is.
45:21He's leaving after the show.
45:24I'm most grateful and we will appreciate your help this time of the month.
45:50Thank you for your help.
45:50We have great reports on it.
46:07And he's great at getting these guys, you know, get something like $60,000 a year or something.
46:27I don't know.
46:27It's amazing.
46:27I like this guy.
46:28He says, well, you've got to help us for a while.
46:29And he gets three months' worth of it.
46:30And some of it doesn't pay any benefit.
46:31He's obviously a man who shoots the way you describe.
46:32He goes to the best.
46:32And by that, he could.
46:33I mean, I see Pete coming to the end.
46:34He opened his name.
46:34He made it work.
46:35That damn job.
46:48I think that Hoffman job put down the people.
46:52I just want to put a good friend of mine in the damn job.
46:53It's an asshole job.
46:53I mean, you know, they give away a half-billion dollars a year.
46:55We just always come up with the same old establishment names of people who are never particularly our friends.
46:59And Pete, I know.
46:59It's hard to relate to Harriet, but it ain't mine.
47:01What are you doing with him?
47:14No.
47:15He isn't really, you're really smart about it.
47:17Right.
47:17I talked to Roy Ash about, I was talking about some of the things, and I raised a hard question.
47:19I said, you talked to me a couple years ago about talking about, would he be interested in this?
47:24And they said, yeah.
47:24I'll poke around and eat.
47:25So this person said, yeah.
47:26Yeah.
47:34He said, what he'd really love to do is be an ambassador.
47:51And he said, you know where he'd really love to go?
47:52Australia.
47:53Is Australia or Mexico.
47:53And I said, well, that's very interesting.
47:56I just loved it at the time.
47:57What would an ambassador do?
47:58You know, why not marry up to Australia?
47:58If Bill wants an ambassador, why not?
48:00So can he do that?
48:01Australia or Mexico.
48:01He could do anything.
48:02He's using, he could, I mean, he's a billionaire.
48:14Could he do Austrian?
48:15He's got a terrible guy.
48:23Yeah.
48:23Yeah.
48:23Yeah.
48:23Yeah, yeah.
48:29How about, uh, should we try to get together in the morning in a small group?
48:48Should we say 10 o'clock?
48:48Fine.
48:48All right.
48:49I, uh, yeah.
48:49And, uh, look, mental, mental, I guess, would be good to have him with me.
48:51Yeah.
48:51He said it so often before.
48:52All right.
48:52I'll pass the mic.
48:57Henry, Flahert, Rogers, and Holmes.
49:14That's here.
49:14I don't know about Israel.
49:15But that's interesting.
49:16That's great.
49:16I said, well, isn't that...
49:18Obviously, being an investor, it bothered me with his talent, not to get him into some kind of job.
49:31It might be interesting to have a guy like that.
49:33We don't hold anything, do we?
49:43No, we don't hold cards or anything.
49:45But it would be a very... That's why the investor should just be fit.
49:47He wanted to be a very talented guy for the job.
49:50Put his name on the list for the doctor's job, the doctor's job.
49:55I think I'd put him on the top of the list.
49:55I think he's an exciting man.
49:57And he would have, if it had been undersecretary of state, I think, you know, that, you know, if we had the euro challenge, it would be very,
50:08Roy, oh I know, another reason Roy said, the reason he got an ambassador job is because of not having to sell his stock.
50:20He took the Hoffman job, he wouldn't have to sell his stock either.
50:24But if he came into a post in here, he'd have to sell, and that would cost him.
50:30Well, I don't think he has to sell his stock.
50:33No, he wouldn't have to.
50:39Because he's not making, you know, awarding contracts to the company and things like that, I don't think.
50:46In other words,
53:59I just don't think we have the kinds of people that enjoy that kind of stuff.
54:16Let it just come naturally.
54:16I don't think the other three.
54:17The others are doing it because of talking about it.
54:26It doesn't come naturally.
54:29It's uncomfortable.
54:29But it is done naturally.
54:34They're getting a few of them.
54:35You can't take a guy and make him do it, but I think you can.
54:38point out to them.
54:41They've been afraid to do it.
54:45You know, talk, tell the stories about Nixon instead of outlining programs.
54:50And if we just, each guy can push him over to do the other ones, he finds out that he gets a better speech than the substantive one, gets a better reception, makes him look better.
55:04If you look at it now, the entire thing, all that comes out of that is process.
55:16And it's all working hours and hours of backgrounding.
55:25Nothing in terms of the process of just finishing the work.
55:27You see what I mean?
55:27Yeah.
55:31Maybe, maybe it isn't worth it.
55:48I just wonder if he, if he could really navigate and go ahead and live the way that's natural for us.
55:52And we sort of went this way because confidence raised the point, actually, where it all started.
56:14Yep, and he's absolutely right.
56:14We shouldn't just do this naturally.
56:15We should work the other way, and I think we can make a lot of difference.
56:17One thing that he might do, and I do quite a bit of this stuff,
56:20It's always interesting.
56:40It's never dull.
56:40Even introducing George Bush by bringing in something.
56:41I don't think about the other middles.
56:42I can't think of the rest.
56:42I'm going over there and doing the other stuff.
56:43Has anybody thought about trying to make a little something out of those things?
56:45Or as special as they have?
56:45Yeah.
56:46You've got to make something out of that collective.
56:47You've
56:47You can create, if you've got to work this thing, you've got to say, well, you've got a nice and thoughtful man on board.
57:03And then a skillful man that has to do some of the introductions.
57:04Now, who does that in charge of that?
57:06It's what's going on.
57:07It's this whole new ever closer thing together.
57:09stacking up the board, getting, you know, reorganized the board on the individual basis, and shifting some of the gap.
57:30Yeah, we'll do it.
57:30What a great job.
57:31It's an individual basis of getting other people to do it.
57:32He's not doing it himself.
57:32I just started discovering some of the biases today.
57:33Maybe that's true.
57:34Oh, that's what he's planning on.
57:34That's, and part of it is you've got to get it into somebody's hands before it gets into other people's.
57:37You've got to figure it out.
57:38He's a tiger.
57:42into some articles and start building the, more of the idea that we can get, then get it played off on the TV.
57:56The records, please.
58:02That's all I need.
58:04And I think the thing that they want to get across sometimes is that I just don't get up and read something or memorize something.
58:24The staff does.
58:25You know, we've mentioned that on several occasions.
58:26That's what people appreciate.
58:26Yet sometimes you just have an idea that you control.
58:27Like a little reference.
58:34I wondered if you could send over a copy of that so that I could study it tonight and take a look.
58:54Just send it over here.
58:58Crap.
58:58Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:02And then let's try to just sort of think what our options are.
59:21Okay.
1:00:33You know that Henry said he'd got a call from the press today.
1:00:51He said he'd been trying to work on it.
1:00:52He said he didn't know how to think about the way the press agreed with him.
1:00:53I imagine that he said, and to show you how Henry is totally on his death, that they're not on something that...
1:00:56He said, for example, he says, why is it that Ehrlichman agrees to Republican senators and is refused to testify before the committees in regard to Republican chair?
1:01:21And I said, Henry, didn't you tell him that Ehrlichman agrees to all the Democratic congressmen and senators and has agreed to go up and answer questions by the total Democratic caucus?
1:01:25Oh, I'm glad that he didn't tell me.
1:01:25See, he doesn't know.
1:01:26He has no...
1:01:29He isn't the best man to talk to.
1:01:39Well, if he does, when he gets something like that, he should say, well, let me check.
1:01:44He should get to John right away, not to you.
1:01:48Why don't you go to John?
1:01:48John, get Preston to call.
1:01:49Say, I hear something.
1:01:50Let Preston squeal at him.
1:01:51I think he's got nails on the bench, right fur, right fur, as far as I'm aware.
1:02:05I'm sure it is.
1:02:05Yeah.
1:02:05Yes, I'm sure, Dr. Kissinger, you raised this point.
1:02:06I think you should know, not only have we done this, but I have offered, there's a standing offer.
1:02:10We've made it to Mansfield.
1:02:11We've made it to Dalbert.
1:02:12We've made it to the committees and all the rest.
1:02:13Obviously, the testimony has to be given to the Cabinet Office of White House staff members now.
1:02:16What if you're shooting her off as if Henry went on television and said something such that it would go out loud or something, and I could give this to Henry.
1:02:39Don't get in an uproar about it.
1:02:40We're just working on television.
1:02:40Would you agree?
1:02:41And we will.
1:02:41Go for it.
1:02:41Call on me today, and I'll be calling you tomorrow.
1:02:45Yeah, I'm trying to lose count.
1:03:10I don't know what that could be about.
1:03:10First time in two years he's calling me.
1:03:11Maybe he wants me to balance anything, it's fine.
1:03:12I don't think any of those guys want to see you, they call me.
1:03:14Oh yeah, yeah.
1:03:16It seems to have a secret meaning.
1:03:38We'll have a little photograph talk or have a little talk from our control over the problem.
1:03:40It goes far beyond that, you know what I mean?
1:03:41It's basically a question of fighting on each stage of space.
1:03:42All of us have gone down to, I think at the present time,
1:03:45They want to get a wall.
1:03:53They want to keep this city.
1:03:53They see a wish.
1:03:54And when I help, they really do.
1:04:06You agree or not?
1:04:06Yes.
1:04:06Right.
1:04:06This is what Henry does not understand.
1:04:07And God damn it, I've got to work with him on that sort of thing.
1:04:10You've got to recognize, you know, he's still running business in control of the State Department.
1:04:13That's who he is.
1:04:14Nobody has it before.
1:04:14If it's too bad he doesn't, it'd be nice if he did.
1:04:18I said the State Department people didn't leak stories that Mitch got angry, but they do.
1:04:31And they always have.
1:04:32Mitch is up in the White House.
1:04:33He got here when he had any struggle.
1:04:34I didn't state I shouldn't have him for, he said, signature approval for him to go on television.
1:04:37You remember, I thought I had to say.
1:04:39that Henry would not be able to deal with it.
1:04:48And I'm surprised they grew up with it.
1:04:51Because Henry's talked to me, usually.
1:04:54And he had this one thing where he was going to go on on this background thing about the President and how the decisions were made and all that.
1:04:59And then,
1:05:00He came in on that, came in and told me they wanted to expand it to make it a more lengthy thing to go into substance and shoot at you.
1:05:16And I said, no, sir, don't get trapped in that.
1:05:17Henry said they asked only one substance in question.
1:05:19It was a burnout call of all people.
1:05:19He should have gone, should not have gone.
1:05:20I think, I want you to check this figure and see what happened.
1:05:21I think figures that I understand.
1:05:22Henry Kissinger is not to go on television, period.
1:05:23I don't think you should go on at all.
1:05:38We have greater knowledge.
1:05:39Yes, I do.
1:05:39I just say it's too dangerous.
1:05:40They're always going to ask you such questions.
1:05:41And Henry will not refuse to answer such a question.
1:05:45Why?
1:05:45Because that's what he told me in this case.
1:05:46That's why he answered the question.
1:05:47He got into trouble.
1:05:48It's a tough one to settle.
1:05:49But I don't think Henry or John, either one should go on and tell me.
1:05:50Either one.
1:05:51I don't think a guy at all.
1:05:52Either one.
1:05:52George does can.
1:05:53because he is subject to congressional questioning.
1:06:02Also, he's a cabinet officer, and he's a cabinet officer.
1:06:04I don't think your staff people belong.
1:06:06No, staff, I heard that.
1:06:07I think you should go on talking.
1:06:10I don't think planning it should go on.
1:06:12I don't think that McGregor should go on.
1:06:13He might be able to.
1:06:13No, I don't think he should go on.
1:06:14I think you just have to, except when you do the human interest thing.
1:06:16If you've got them on, you know, if they ain't going to work, well, they will.
1:06:18I think Black Rose went on, you know, and did her penitentiary, I suppose, but don't have Henry go on.
1:06:32They don't ask Henry any questions, and he's not even an interstitial guy.
1:06:37That's where McGregor, I think, could go on, because he's not a substantive man.
1:06:42He's an operational guy.
1:06:43If he goes on the human stuff, not the other.
1:06:45Oh, we don't know, but I just didn't see how that would prompt us.
1:06:46You know, I've been trying to be so careful about it this week.
1:06:49He asked me.
1:06:57That's what I asked him.
1:07:01He asked about a long time and I said no.
1:07:06You told him yes on one.
1:07:08That was the one he, at least I think that's the one he did.
1:07:10Because that's the one he was trying to get into.
1:07:11He asked me again.
1:07:12He asked again last week whether or not he could go on college.
1:07:14No.
1:07:14What he asked me about was going on with that fall was here at the White House.
1:07:17And I said no.
1:07:17I thought that covered it all for him.
1:07:18I said no, Henry, I just don't think you should go on college.
1:07:22Well, shall we stop at the future?
1:07:32I think the staff is a hell of a lot stronger and safer if they work in the side.
1:07:40But their advice is for you, not for the world.
1:07:42David, you haven't gotten the gallops up yet?
1:07:43Oh, yeah.
1:07:43That's not very good.
1:07:45It's, uh...
1:07:48They're not the final pick, but it'll be either 52 or 53.
1:08:05I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I disagree with that.
1:08:09And so I said, what do you, see, their last one was 56, the one they didn't release the car.
1:08:14No, but it ended at 56.
1:08:1456-33.
1:08:15And they didn't release it.
1:08:15And when I asked him what he thought the reason for the drop was, immediately he said, locks.
1:08:19And he said, but then he said he wasn't certain.
1:08:24Which of course he is, he can't be.
1:08:25They got a poll coming out this Sunday.
1:08:28This one will not come out until next Thursday or Sunday.
1:08:31They got a poll coming out this Sunday that they found that two to one people think the invasion of Laos will lengthen the war.
1:08:45If it's 52, that would be the same as the December.
1:08:58The one they last printed.
1:09:06The one they last printed.
1:09:08So no change.
1:09:09I don't think it's that surprising.
1:09:12Our own, though, they didn't, well, particularly one of those.
1:09:26You see, they never did reflect the upward curve, literally.
1:09:29They had to go through 60, we had 60.
1:09:30We had 60, 6, 5, and we had 60.
1:09:31We took the two together.
1:09:31Yeah, we took the two together.
1:09:32Yeah, from 60 to 59.
1:09:35I'm sorry.
1:09:51R-66 is January 7th.
1:09:52I think 52, this is about, we're going to go through this period now.
1:09:53It's going to be pretty chunky with the models and all that sort of thing.
1:09:55We're taking the heat.
1:09:55On the other hand, we'll take it down.
1:09:56We're going to take the heat.
1:09:57Cambodia was a very different thing.
1:10:09It sure was, because we were, well, getting into it.
1:10:10So, well, knowing that there was something else, too.
1:10:13They could talk all they wanted about going on the air in Cambodia.
1:10:15That did it.
1:10:16You see, we didn't do it online.
1:10:16This is a very different thing.
1:10:17There's low-key business and so forth, maybe.
1:10:18Not so much.
1:10:18But it definitely gives them an opportunity to come on.
1:10:22That's why we didn't get these or anything out of the way.
1:10:46Answering questions on how some knowledge is valid.
1:10:4757 we're moving forward.
1:10:4855.
1:10:4855.
1:10:485.
1:10:49Now he never rented the 56, did he?
1:11:03Anyway, that's not a significant change.
1:11:05You were 54 before Camp Cody, and then you did an April poll that was 56, and an April poll that was 57, which wasn't released.
1:11:28And then the later April was 59, which was released.
1:11:29And then June went down to 55.
1:11:29And July up to 61.
1:11:30That was after the conversation.
1:11:30And how did it happen you were out of Camp Cody?
1:11:31Well, I'm sure that...
1:11:41I don't think the hole this long is going to make a difference.
1:12:05You know, it ain't a hole.
1:12:06What do you think?
1:12:06We've been through this before.
1:12:07It's our economic thing now that we need to look a little better.
1:12:08What was the negative on the other 15th of December?
1:12:1034, so this is not the same, it's 39.
1:12:28This is 52, 35, that is 52, 34.
1:12:33This may be 52.
1:12:33Yeah.
1:12:33There's doubts, they always come out on the low side, they've never gone up.
1:12:35I've seen a really aggressive bull, do you?
1:12:37That makes sense.
1:12:41I mean, nothing to do with it.
1:12:50It doesn't measure anything specific, which is what we've tried to do with our polls.
1:12:54I think we ought to, uh, maybe poll after the press conference.
1:12:55If you have a nice week or if there's any event along the way.
1:12:58I'm not sure.
1:13:08We ought to keep polling fairly regularly.
1:13:20I don't think we should think you're right.
1:13:25I don't think we should, because you need to keep the trend.
1:13:28Why don't we do this?
1:13:28Why don't we have a poll now?
1:13:29And then what happens to the press conference?
1:13:30Do the same, but split it again.
1:13:30Should we do that before and after and see what happens?
1:13:33Yeah, we could do one over the weekend now.
1:13:34Oh, for sure.
1:13:35It's very nice.
1:13:35Children?
1:13:36Or this job, because they can't get people.
1:13:40Yeah, we can do it the first year.
1:13:44Yeah, do it Monday and Tuesday.
1:13:45Should we do that?
1:13:46So we don't do it over the weekends.
1:13:47Good.

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