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Very well, very well.

Thank you very much.

He had an Irish accent that night.

I know, I remember.

That's too bad.

We thought we were getting the whole clan.

No matter.

So we're going to bring back the girls a week from Sunday.

We'll have a real Louie, Mr. President.

an amazing thing.

And I think I was ghosted by the other day about that story about how he bought that cemetery.

That was so funny.

Henry Cashin called back.

He said, you aren't going to believe this, but we found the cemetery and we couldn't get Motay away from it.

He was over talking to a man.

He said, just give me a minute.

I know we've got to go.

He came back and said, I just bought it.

That was the quickest way out.

You look great, sir.

Well, I'm not your country, Mr. President.

I was at Palm Springs.

Is everything going well?

Your church is at home there, yes.

We had great weather for about three and a half weeks, four weeks.

It was very good.

I wasn't out of the dust storm.

Yeah, I know about that.

The worst windstorm they'd ever had.

It would be horrible there.

It would be horrible there at all.

I just couldn't believe how bad it was.

Did you have a good session in here this morning?

An extremely interesting one.

It's another one of Pete's groups.

Yeah, the top businessmen of our organization.

Top businessmen, right.

He's part of the... Yeah.

That's another brief.

I had a deal with Jerry Buck, who was the longest...

I know him, he's a great friend of Gene McGarrett's, isn't that?

Correct, yes.

Well, Gene gave me a list of the non-productivity efforts of the British Union, I must say, the British Union, which are absolutely amazing.

What they're doing to frustrate productivity.

And I've asked him to run a treaty on it.

And I told him I wanted it to give it to you.

Good, good, good.

And Jerry is working on it.

He said he'd be very happy to do it.

So we ought to have that in a week's time.

He will have it by the time I get back from Ireland.

Good, you get it to me.

I'll work on it.

I have to go over it to prove the...

the design for a new wing to Ashford Castle, where you have been, Mr. President.

But it has only 40 or 50 bedrooms.

It's not a very viable situation.

We're going to have 60 more rooms on that.

Is that the one where Bill Rogers and I'll stay?

Thank you very much, Mr. President.

Thank you.

Well, it's true.

I mean, that's the Irish word for you, Michael.

I hope we can get you over there again, perhaps.

I'm coming.

Don't worry, I'll be there.

God bless you.

I don't know, I don't think I'll stay in the same one.

It was so nice, I don't think I want to see the others.

You've got to go down and see them.

You want me to see them all?

You must come down there.

Besides, I'm the bigger part of it.

No, no, you talk.

You say maybe we should.

Well, yes.

You've probably heard of Jack McCarthy, the TV announcer, you know?

Yeah.

And he does that Irish parade, the Sympathetic Parade, every time.

Oh, yeah.

And, of course, hundreds and hundreds of Irish look at that.

And he's coming all around suddenly.

And we're going to get your name on the front of that TV so often and so on.

He's coming over to Ireland with me on Sunday night.

And I've asked if he could come to the Irish dinner.

Then he would talk about that.

Here he comes.

I think it's a good idea.

Oh, sure.

Sure.

His wife, is he married?

He is married, yes.

However, he realizes that the house is so rough, shall we say.

There's no objection.

His wife did not come.

It's so rough.

I get that, too, today.

I had an arc of burns today, so...

Well, that would be a nice Jewish way to put it.

That's right.

You've got to have one.

Oh, yes, indeed.

This is Jack McCracken.

Yeah.

And he's Nixon all the way, so... That's good.

I don't want to take any more of your time, sir.

I thought I was probably holding it up just a half a minute or so.

Here's one for you.

Oh, thank you so much.

Oh, here's a hair cuff.

You probably got one.

You got a cuff.

Is this the president?

Yeah, that's right.

No, I haven't.

You don't?

No.

Oh, thank you as well.

Here's the tie clasp.

You got to have one of those.

Thank you.

See you next week.

Pat was asking what time you wanted to go to Camp David.

She's currently in the council.

I told her we might go tonight.

She said she was wondering if you could go to the portal.

Or we probably better leave at 4.30.

4.30, our secretary will leave at 4.30.

Because Rockefeller should leave that meeting at the 3.30 meeting.

He should leave at 4 to go out and do the rest.

He always shows such great decorum.

He embarrasses you, you know, he just, you know, you're the President of the United States, like a king and all that sort of thing.

It's very different from the average businessman in a lot of ways.

I mean, in that respect.

Yeah, but in a lot of other ways.

I mean, that whole attitude of his about, you know, he's got that money, you know, season to do some good, and I'm thinking very good of him, I think.

I think the only good thing I've seen in life for months is when they wrote about Apple.

It's a beautiful article.

It's a good article.

Yeah, it really was.

It made, it was, right, straight arrow gave him credit.

Good.

Good picture, but it's smothered.

It's smothered a little bit.

It's a good kind of thing.

Well, it's good.

We scored a little bit of a coup.

Got to win a few little ones once in a while.

There was a Charlie Heston telegram.

Bob Hope talked to you about it?

No.

He didn't send it?

He didn't send it.

And so we called Bruce Grill.

I had my office targeting it now.

And I said, just keep going on it.

Get something done for a change.

And I kind of got annoyed.

So he kept going.

So he discovered Charlton Hesdon was in London.

We couldn't find the letter anywhere in the water.

He discovered Hesdon was in London, so he called him in London.

Excuse me, did you want some trick?

I don't even know about cancer.

Bruce called in London and said, the president's very concerned about a telegram that Bob Hope told him you were sending, that we wanted to take some action on it.

We can't find the telegram.

We want to know where we can track it back down.

The president said, oh my God, I haven't sent it.

I told him...

that had been on the strip and had to send to Hawaii.

And this guy, he was about 20 feet, he was falling over.

So, you know, we'd be following him, worrying about him.

But we scored a real coup with him, and he'll go back and play back in the hole.

We had to sit down and got things going and all that.

So it was, we made some hay in that.

I think, well, Ron thought it went very well.

Oh, it's on.

No, no, no, no, it's on.

It'll wear me out.

No, I have to – I'm in pretty good shape.

I've got to do a lot of work in the Treasury Department.

And, of course, what I'm trying to do is touch as many bases as I can on both sides of the aisle now.

I'm going to more – frankly, more social engagements than I want to, but I do it deliberately.

to touch as many bases as I possibly can so that I don't get any welling up of opposition here and there today because I know the situation as I said to you earlier I know the situation that I'm in and I'm very conscious of it but last night C.R.

Smith and

Bob Strauss and Joe Fowler did a small dinner party for me at the Metropolitan Club.

Well, we had everybody from Andre Meyers to Lou Jennings of the Reagan Bank, and Frank Santen of CBS, and Clark Clifford, the Vice President Humphrey, and about 25 of us, John Harper of Aluminum Company, and

and Adele Brockett of the Gulf Oil Corporation and that type of fellow from all over the country, including Gus Levy of Goldman Sachs and Joe Thomas of Lehman Brothers.

They all came down and we stayed there till 11 o'clock, you know, talking about these things.

Most of them are Democrats, a lot of them aren't.

A lot of them, you're very strong supporters.

But we mixed them and did it deliberately, you know, to try to get, touch all these places so I don't get a war going against me in the Democratic ranks before I can somewhat consolidate myself with Republicans who are damn unhappy.

A lot of them are up here.

But, uh...

But I think it's working out very well right now.

But I haven't spent enough time, very frankly, with my own department, which I need to do, which I'm trying to do.

I have a very brief staff meeting tomorrow at 845.

What I want to do is to...

I think what I'll do is deliberately maybe wait another couple weeks, but I want to get you involved in the action security thing.

I'll determine when I think the meeting is worthwhile, and I'll do it.

There are two reasons.

One, I think people have great interest in it.

And that is a tangential relationship.

You'll be meeting with people who will be wondering about a lot of things.

The second thing is that I want your advice in that field, as you know.

And so I am deliberately told that there are these people, I mean, I'm sure that you're in on the routine stuff, waiting and then figuring it.

It'll let you take another couple weeks to get going.

And then we'll start moving on the map.

That's the part of the game that's really important.

Apparently it is.

It's moving along.

You know, battles, John, if you remember from World War II, people forget, you know, there's a rumor on television that it's not in the heart.

But you know, in World War II, when Eisenhower, they all talk about over or in the arm's length.

Hell, that was bogged down.

We were bogged down on the beaches all along.

Every day, especially we, the Americans, we were bogged down in the hedgerows there for a couple of weeks before they attacked us on another swing.

And so they are.

These guys are not terrible men.

They're not as good as other guys, actually.

But the encouraging thing is that we have a superb commander in ambulance.

And he is getting excellent.

And what we're doing now, John, whenever you're talking to me, I never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never,

I would recommend that you not underestimate what I will do as far as this war is concerned.

This is a risky business.

It really will.

It will not fail.

It may not succeed completely, but it also greatly has succeeded in part.

And in part, as I say, you can't knock out the 67 tanks and all that ammunition and all those guns without figuring it out.

That could have been pretty hellish bad for Americans next February or even next week, this August and September, before they're going to start again.

No.

This is moving.

You might indicate that Mr. Engel is present, and he's ready to pull the rug out from under his critics, but in his own time, and not have a way to murder the country.

And that's exactly what we're going to do.

Thank you.

You can't talk now and say, we're going to withdraw at the end of the year.

That's the easy thing.

We're going to withdraw at the end of next year, or in 12 months, or 18 months, or we're going to do this or that.

We're not going to go to the heart.

They're not going to go to the heart.

But I know everybody would like to hear.

The reason all this has to be played this way is in order to keep the game going.

the absolute necessity of the OWF to set up a plan and also to

Well, we've got to play now a very strong game.

Dig the raps.

And our critics on the other side are making a... That's all right.

It's like the old mouse trying to play.

But it's still... No, I didn't hear you.

That's the shape one.

We've got a lot of criticism in the country.

We'll fall for polls, that sort of thing, because of this issue, because of Laos and so forth, because people don't understand it.

But as you know, John, the important thing here is how all of them solve the answer.

And I'm sure it was worth no question, but I think I'd like you to be reaching out.

Whenever I deal with your schedule or permit it, I'll start having you

I want you to sit on this so we have more.

Because I think you ought to.

I think your counsel is needed.

I think also that you can help.

which is a very well-known problem.

Has to be.

It's true, ma'am.

A great eagle and a great man to meet.

And I haven't played the way I did.

But I certainly didn't know the stories.

Yes, of course.

But on the other hand, you can help on that, but you can't help on it until you have sat in it and walked in it for a city situation.

But I think as we talked, and remember when we first talked, that I don't want you to sit over there.

Well, one of the reasons, that's good.

It's first so I can basically understand it.

Once I understand it, I won't forget it.

I'll know what they're talking about, and I can make a decision over there in five minutes.

And now it takes me a few hours.

Secondly, I need to understand it to improve my credibility with a Paul McCracken or a Harper Burns.

I can't unless the word comes out of trade that I know what the hell is going on.

filtering through this department, or through this town, I can't do much.

I have to understand home base first.

But I think another two or three weeks,

We'll give you enough.

Sure, Charlie.

Paul Walker, I mean, Paul Volcker.

Yeah, sure.

Highly confident in their field.

And Paul is not a political fellow particularly.

He just doesn't have that personality.

Charlie Walker is.

Charlie knows how to operate.

He knows how to talk to people.

And this boy Smith over there, he's great.

Jim Smith.

So the department's pretty well staffed.

We need more depth and we need a few more top people just to take on our job, very frankly.

I have trouble finding some people that I can turn jobs over to.

Well, I will.

As soon as I get time, I will.

Yes, sir.

If he knows what you want, he can get it.

But with regard to your New York crowd, when you see the money consumed, I think it's very important that we critique the support, policy, confidence.

Incidentally, it's not, at least the market people should be feeling a little better.

I mean, they're up to $8.99.

Oh, I think they are.

There's a general fee.

There's a way to see attitude.

But it's moving up rather than down.

That's right.

It's beginning to move.

The reason I said what I did about it is racist.

I love it.

Because, frankly, I've checked with some of the backers and some of the agents.

That's what made it incredible, too.

And I know what they're doing, and I know what they're not doing.

Let me tell you the thing that I argue with you.

We've known him for many years, the last two years.

He hasn't been armisticed or abandoned.

And so I had to protect Schultz from under there.

After all, Arthur is not a working receiver.

Schultz is.

So I'm not going to let him go, because Schultz is a first-class man.

He's just bouncing and beating.

I won't let him out.

But the other point is, as Bob can tell you, nobody, nobody could have done more.

Brown was harder than I had.

Not only has he been that fit,

He's been to every event.

You know what I mean?

He's in the front row center every time.

You really got to play with that with him.

He's protocol conscious to another and so forth.

And you've got to say special attention.

You've always got to praise him and so forth and so on.

He needs it.

There comes a point, however, and I can see it with Arthur, and it's just like a child.

You keep giving the child that ice cream and that candy and all that, and the kid just gets to be a little nasty, and we find, and I felt the point come where Arthur could not continue to snipe at George.

He didn't last any, you know, he didn't pay any attention to him.

He says, I want your advice, this and that.

So the purpose, the third purpose here

is to get it a little out front, but also to bring our car in a little down the side.

I don't want you to have to do it.

No, I really shouldn't, yes.

You can see, you can see, I was the one, I took him on to that exam.

You sure did?

I sure did.

Well, the thing is, you and I, Bob and I, Bob's, he knows better than us, and Bob has handled him all these things, but Arthur, I think, needed a little of that treatment.

What do you think?

Damn right.

He's been, he's lecturing all the worst people.

Well, Arthur's ruthless.

He really is, isn't he?

He plays everything.

He's ruthless.

He plays all the bureaucracy.

He plays all the press.

He does the Leafs.

He does everything else, John.

He plays that hill.

In a big way.

Both sides.

I don't say that vertically, but he does.

He really protects it.

He was up basically with Hubert Humphrey yesterday.

He covers all those bases constantly.

Oh, but the thing you also must remember, too, is that

He wouldn't be there in this position unless I had put him there.

Actually, we did.

We brought him in.

And second, I want to do this.

I would be delighted to be the first president in 25 years to take the federal.

It becomes necessary.

And you, Secretary of Treasury, may find it necessary.

Well, it may well have stood.

I hope not.

But he's, but our thing also, you know, the boat club industry, your God, he can do something about the industry, the smaller industry.

Yes, sir.

Your people, do they take over?

Oh, sure, yes.

Well, he starts meeting and talking in terms of technicalities.

That's the reason I... Oh, yeah.

Well, that's the reason I just said, well, you just tell him.

He just dropped the loan, tax loan account.

Just say, ah, but you're very worried because you're the Secretary of Trade.

You're talking about changing this tax loan account.

I said, just do that at the time.

You talk about interest rates.

And if he'll do that, he'll get their attention.

Because, and I don't want to have to explain that, but I assure you it'll get their attention.

What we do, you see, what happens to banks when people start paying their tax bills on the 15th, that money doesn't come from the United States.

That money goes into banks all over the United States.

And it sits there, free of charge, in a tax and loan account, interest-free as far as the government's concerned.

Now, Mr. Crazier has the option to draw it down any time from any of these banks, and we do.

And it's a good system, nothing wrong with it, but I know what it means to him.

You just draw it down a little bit, and you're damn right.

And you can draw it out of this bank or that bank or whatever.

But what I really was talking about, and what she caught, was that I would put half of it on time deposits.

See, now they pay us nothing for it.

And this will get their attention.

But he can force these interest rates down, and that ought to be done.

I've checked with big banks and little banks, and they're talking to us about money getting six months from now going back up, but that's why they don't want to get out too damn much.

That's why this money's back here.

Sure.

And that's why we need it.

Of course it is.

And that's why your long-term money insurance companies are not coming down because they've been holding it.

Let me just tell you.

Well, when I came up here, let me give you an example.

When I came up here, I told you I had some personal problems.

Well, I wanted, I've got a ranch in which I've got a million dollars equity, Bob, and I wanted to extend and expand my loan so I could get out of banks and so forth.

Well, I said, what interest did y'all charge?

Nine percent.

I said, well, goddamn, interest rates are coming down.

This is only January of this year.

I said, well, I checked the other day.

I didn't do it.

Didn't make the loan.

I said, just outranked it.

So I checked the day before yesterday, 9%.

With no prepayment for five years.

You're kidding.

Oh, hell, that's right.

And I checked the other day, and I called this old boy, I have to point out, and he said, well, don't you want this loan?

I said, hell, no, I don't want it.

I said, why do I want 9% money?

He said, well, you think rates are coming down?

I said, I know they are.

He said, well, we sure haven't heard about it.

I said, are you serious?

I said, they haven't told y'all that you can put out any money less than that?

He said, no, sir.

He said, we can't put out a dime.

Oh, this is a guy.

Sure, they want to lock it for five years.

But then, you know, I just...

What's it called?

He's afraid.

Oh, boy, do they.

Well, this is where they're still trying to put out money.

Hell, they're trying.

That's right.

And I talked to a banker here in Washington.

I talked to one in Boston.

I talked to a couple in Texas.

And I talked to a couple in California.

And none, only in the last two weeks, have they even begun to try to push long.

They're not trying to make loans.

They're not working on making loans.

They've still got this tight money complex that's affecting them.

But they've got the money supply.

Oh, hell yes.

They've got the money.

They don't want to put it out.

And, of course, they're giving reverse pressure on Burns.

They're like, we're loaded with money.

We're loaded with money.

We don't need any money.

And the pig, the bear pig, you show it.

But this is why I say we've got to force that into trade now.

if you get it down another another percentage point on your short term money it's fine even your prime rate is five and three quarters but what does that mean it doesn't mean anything they give you this prime rate five and three quarters but they don't put any money out of it i checked with a small banker who's smart as hell well then jake jacobson who served president johnson he was here in the white house but like and he is smart as hell and i said now jake

I said, get five, three-quarter percent.

I said, how many loans have you got in your bank?

He said, only my directors.

I said, well, you're a damn fool.

I said, do you need to make your directors pay a little more than the prime or get a few more loans?

I said, don't let your directors stand down.

But I said, there's not a loan in your bank except your directors and prime rate.

He said, that's right.

Well, that's pretty stupid.

That's right.

And I said, well, what are you getting for it?

He said, at least seven and a half.

All right, God, let's get it down.

Now, listen, that's the same as that.

There's nothing like that.

That's right, and I checked with two big banks, and they say the same thing.

They all... Well, my friend from Bozeman told me, he said they're getting 8%.

Oh, that's right.

That's the whole bank in Florida.

Sure.

That's why when they give you all this money, it's a fine prime rate.

So far, that doesn't really make a difference.

Because the average dollar...

give it an M, he'd be a poor citizen in this economic strategy.

You've got to get that down before you can get the other down.

That's exactly right.

It's hard to figure these economic trends.

Who knows?

I mean, the disappointment figures look one way or the other.

But the point is that I have this feeling, which is that

whether you get 1065, that's for him to be seen, maybe it's 1050, whatever it is.

I have a feeling that John, it is wait and see, but I have a feeling that somewhere there is some,

Although, at least the debate is about how much it moves out.

There seems to be a little something.

I don't feel a lack of confidence is as great as our degree indicates it is.

Everybody in the country is just sitting around waiting.

They've got a hell of a lot of things that are still going on, aren't they?

That's right.

I don't know.

How do you feel about that?

You haven't watched it, have you?

It's no question.

Every single economist admits it's going up.

It's just a question of how far.

And one of the appearances I made, and I tried to make this with George and everybody else, and I really think we ought to hold it.

We're cracking in the rest of it.

We ought to get off of the 1065 as a goal.

1065 represents something.

It in itself is meaningless, except as it means a rate of growth in this economy and a reduction in unemployment.

That's what it really means.

It means more jobs.

It means more economic vitality.

Now, depending on how this vitality comes, you can reach all your goals in your budget and never reach 1065.

Let's assume that your activity, your economic activity was such that your corporate taxes increased to the point where you met your revenue goals.

And you can do that very easily without getting to 1065.

It depends on who makes the money.

And if your corporation profits increase, that's where you're going to get a big grab in a big hurry.

So you can both reach your unemployment goals and your revenue goals without ever reaching 1065.

So all I'm saying is every now and then we ought to mix it up a little bit.

Don't just talk about 1065 because you're so right.

Every one of these press people will say you failed.

You didn't reach it.

He didn't reach 1065.

Well, that in itself has shocked the magic.

That's the wrong one.

But anyway, I think he's moving and I think he's going to get a flight here tonight.

Yes, sir.

What time are you leaving?

I'm going to stay on the safe.

Bye.

How are you going?

I'm going to send a safe runner down for him.

Oh, they have a plane for you.

I was going to say, the rock bar is going back to cover it.

Okay.

I mean, I think Rocky's father probably knows that might not be a copy.

He may be on that call.

I thought he was going to be here.

I thought there was going to be a dinner tonight.

John, Peter Rose.

Can we check at 3 o'clock?

Oh, sure, I'll take the call.

You can call.

You're going to meet me at 3.30, aren't you?

No, no.

No, we aren't.

The Rockville meeting is coming up.

Don't bother me.

If you don't hear it, you must take the safe route.

If you do, there's a cross.

You can go again.

All right.

This whole idea, you know, you may cut them all away, because they've got to, they've got to think of a solution over there, get the worst out of them.

Yeah.

I probably don't teach, and I'll be after the discussion.

Well, I'll tell you this.

There's a picture of a person, this way, and they call you, and you're like, Archer, isn't it?

So he said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah, I'm not scared of making any difference.

No, that's correct.

I'm not scared of making any difference.

It would be a lot better today than it would have been in New York.

Oh, yeah, I mean, the news was good.

Some positive stuff that we don't overshadow last night with a lot of potential mess up there.

So Colson just made all his calls.

So he's got the property.

He's got a set of profiles.

I don't know how much he can drive.

It gets on.

I don't believe it, but there probably had a quite positive reaction from all the other people.

I think people of the kind would react possibly to that podium.

I think so.

We got it.

We should have got it in our own.

You see what I mean?

Because I put the two together.

I think putting the two together sort of reminds the hell of a lot of people.

Oh, my God.

Thank you.

He said the press was not disturbed by the fact that he was gone.

I don't think he was.

And these guys know damn well, you know, what you're talking about.

It's now also, also, uh, deep down they don't like it.

I think that they felt that he did it in a way that was a little too, you know, picking up the Washington, yeah, it was New York.

And a complaining, sort of, sort of, well, sour way.

I didn't, and he was belittling something.

I didn't stir up people, but I could have induced something.

I could have been too subtle.

Nobody knows.

Well, you know, you never know, you know.

And he says, these boys are wrong.

These first people I urged, this and that, and they probably got the point.

I didn't say that.

I said, no, you remember.

Well, the thing you were attacking wasn't as wrong as what he was attacking.

No.

It wasn't as clearly wrong.

I mean, his thing, when he was attacking the men in the house, it was clearly unfair for people to do it.

You were attacking the way that it was.

constant drip, drip, drip of the bad news.

And they were worried about it.

And also, you can nail it pretty well.

They also tend to do that.

I said that you all have it.

You all just screw with the employee.

I mean, we're a great company.

I've never seen us screw.

I know that that's...

I had it for nine years in the tolerations, but it didn't work out that way.

From what I said, from what they said, it didn't work out.

You know, you're very mistaken.

So it was a devastating day to come back.

That inch was the, that few minutes is what made it go all over.

Of course, the rest of it built up.

I mean, of course, you got four months out of that and the whole rest of the thing, I mean.

for futures as well as past, because I think it's going to make a difference when the people watch the TV tonight, next week, and the week after.

It's going to be rough for a while.

We're still going to be reporting problems.

You said it's going to be wrong.

We've got to get in there and get it, Chipotle.

We've got to do something.

We've got to value a little.

We've got to get it, Chipotle.

And he says, he didn't say, well, he's, he's the ball.

He said, are you sure you lost the war on the next day?

Everything is, we've turned the corner.

I think we're not going to settle that.

You know, he's got that figured out.

You know, it's his credit that he forced him to send the troops in and everything's all right.

But he likes it the way it is now.

You can rationalize that he's doing the talk that he approved to say that he pushed to get troops in, you know, but it raises that question about what the military was doing last week with the Negroes.

What did he do?

It's about a week to go, yeah.

And then, you know, there's no point in keeping reserves.

I knew you had a plan to do that.

I thought you'd already had moved into that.

I think you have to work down here as hard as you do.

And I think, well, let me say it.

I think it's worth working as hard as you do.

I think you get...

If you didn't do anything all week, if you spent all week getting ready for it and you've taken off after the thing and rested until next Tuesday, the difficulty is you can't work all week.

This kind of work is something that you can only do in a state.

You've got to lock yourself up in 48 hours and you've got to do something else.

And it's a goddamn hard work.

I mean, it's, you know, very few people can put themselves through it.

They put themselves through it once a year in college examinations.

You know, that's the way it is.

Yeah, yeah.

You put yourself through the same thing.

Just the same kind of exercise.

You go back and make fun of their workshop and then you collapse.

I go on this thing every day.

But I have to do it well because...

Well, that's why it's worth that, I think.

Because it's worth that effort.

If you check with the directors of the office restaurants, I've asked them to work on it.

I think there's no problem.

Is he around today?

He was, yeah.

He's here.

I, uh, screw it, you're all done.

Have it, man, please.

He knows exactly what he's doing and why.

This is George's analysis of it.

The question of law is shortening the war.

It says our results differ from one another because Gallup shows a higher percentage believing the war will be lengthened and smaller believing it will be shortened and a smaller believing it will make no difference.

because the option won't make any difference who is not included on Gallup.

Which means that the 15% reported by Gallup, who said the encouragement will neither shorten or lengthen, had to volunteer this response rather than choose it.

They said, will it shorten it, lengthen it, or won't make any difference?

Gallup just said, will it shorten it or lengthen it?

He forced them to choose between two options.

We gave them three.

Just like the Masters poll.

Right.

Put another way, some response may have forced to choose between short and lengthen on the Gallup poll.

From a technical point of view, our procedure is superior and more likely to produce accurate measurement.

Also, he says the difference in interviewing time might make us slightly agree, but he rejects that explanation.

Does the word of it, because it's an increase in belief that the lowest period of instruction is related to an increase in age,

Older people think it'll shorten the war.

Increase in education, smarter people think it'll shorten.

Increase in income, richer people think it'll shorten.

And increase in conservatives, conservatives think it'll shorten.

It's just what you'd expect.

The only people who think it'll lengthen really is the young.

And they think it's so strong that they override the others.

On approval or disapproval,

of the inter-division.

He says the division can be considered a dead heat.

About the, uh, the unsighted thing that's already been analyzed.

He hasn't yet.

Well, let me see.

That's the other thing he was going to work on.

Not to me, it wasn't.

Now, see, that wasn't much of an increase on the ORC poll.

They decided it was 13 last time.

And 17 this time.

They had a high on the side of the 4th.

It was nine on the same, at the same time.

The children one showed a nine percent, sorry.

ORC showed 13 percent.

It was 48, whatever the next thing is.

48.35, pretty good time.

48.35 this time is what they showed, which is 78%.

Last time they showed, last time they showed 40, that was 60.

Last time they were perfect.

59 or 60.

It was 59 or 60.

It was 59.

13 and 28, I guess.

Well, your figure is our number.

It's 59, 28, 13.

What's wrong?

There's one maybe.

What?

It's 59, 28, 13.

Where children were 60, 30,

One.

Nine.

Forty-nine.

Forty-eight.

Forty-nine.

Forty-eight.

Forty-nine.

Yeah, I'm talking about this thing of trying to do a kind of coverage of the press conference in the office here.

Right.

And what we can do is, are we feasible?

Feasible but awkward.

As I understand it, the president stands behind the desk.

The press more or less gathers around the desk, standing, sometimes 50 or 60 people.

But it's lucky.

Yeah, so they expect it to be.

What you can do is run the press.

See from there on around.

This one, put your hand over there.

That's right.

You can do it either side.

Put the press people left on clear back here and all the way around here.

House to here and cut them off about here and put one camera there looking at the press and one camera over there looking at the president.

I would say very quickly if I had my choice, I'd point it to the president so the flags perhaps were in the background.

He were looking in my direction with the press in the semicircle here.

And that would be one camera on the press, president, and one camera on the press.

Well, I think you have to do it properly, sir.

Otherwise, you're out there in an ugly breathing room.

Breathing room.

I agree with you, sir.

Being in the office is a nice thought.

What about the lighting problem?

That's the question.

We're going to have to put it in here.

Would you?

Have you seen these lights on your train deck?

Not all the way.

I understand that there's more than would normally be.

Yeah, that's how hard the normal is.

Hell, it's enough for a trolley.

It's enough for the parking lights to do it.

That's different.

No.

See, we go with 250.

Tell them what you have.

We go with 250 foot cams, Mr. President, and I can tell with a naked eye that that's not near enough.

We have two cameras on.

Do it properly.

We're only going to film what he's emerging with two cameras.

Why not put them right out there?

You wouldn't get impressed.

Well, the press were here at the summer circle.

The press were at the desk.

facing the press, and there was a camera here, you'd stay out relatively on a wide angle.

In other words, we wouldn't, we'd tuck it down on the president and come back off the wide angle.

Rather than being able to cut the president when he's giving an answer that we really want to emphasize.

And then coming back to a wide angle again.

I heard we're only doing it for outtakes, so you're not doing it for full run.

So it's got to be quality stuff.

That's what I'm looking for.

What about ignoring the press?

Just do the present.

That's what I ask you.

Just let them answer.

Just let the presents off and show the backs of their heads.

to show they, so that you really get the feel of the office press conference, a la Roosevelt, and all the years, always done that way before now.

Well, in that case, they'd do it this way, they'd put the press, as they almost normally would stand, and just split it enough to put a camera right here.

They'd have them flank the camera on both sides, and then just focus the camera on the front.

You're only gonna get two or three, four or five minutes out of it anyway.

You're not gonna get a half hour.

So it is a matter of... Well, we are talking about electronic camera coverage as opposed to film camera coverage.

Regardless of what we're talking about, we're going to have to put additional lighting in here.

But then another way you can do it... Go here.

Or do it in Blu-ray.

Mm-hmm.

Take nine.

Press conference.

Or it's more intimate.

Non-TV, but with film coverage.

Have it all set up.

Have it have the camera.

Let it have the lighting.

Go work on the lighting and everything.

So I'm going to interrupt the day here.

And, uh...

Because it doesn't interrupt the day here, because the day of the press conference is present.

There's no problem there.

All right.

The other thing you could do is just say, look, the press will meet you.

They've got the lights.

We want to go to the camera.

I'm not going to do it out there in their bread and cream.

You could put it up and set up chairs and do it over the- Right.

And also, considering the time of day, I would attempt to try to simulcast it on radio network.

We should.

We're going to do that.

See, if the president were just doing the press conferences on radio, I would recommend perhaps the EOB office.

To handle those people.

Right.

But why do it twice is my point.

In other words, you're going to do it for the film cameras and do it simultaneously for radio.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, we have that.

Right.

We do.

Right.

We'll always have that.

Right.

Just as even if we don't have a film camera.

Right.

We'd still do it for radio.

Right.

But you avoid the over-exposure.

Right.

So what we're really talking about is finding a location to do an in-office press conference

With film cameras available, Trumway Tech Search will be run, hopefully, on nighttime network news and a simulcast network radio broadcast.

The difficulty is that when they're in this room, they won't want to be taken out of this room just to put all their cameras up so each of them can shoot.

They go cool anyway.

Yeah, that's just one network.

Yes, sir.

Those are the reels.

There's only one, well, there's several cameras, but they're all one network.

They're cameras to get different angles.

There's only one camera.

You're right.

And I would recommend very strongly that we limit it to electronic cameras and maybe one, you know, film camera.

Because that way we're trying to get the business in a smaller room, a less formal atmosphere.

That's the problem.

That's the beauty of this room.

Of course, this is a hell of a room.

I have a press.

People see the press.

The press is a great condition.

It's great.

It's a great condition.

And the press standing up and writing has a different feel to it.

It feels good when they're all together.

He has an urgency to it, a really exciting call, a press call, and this is the way he's done it, done it in a different view.

I think shooting it from back there, I think the press divides it a little.

And I don't shoot the press.

You get a little watch out to get some press in.

Oh, yeah.

Just have it, here's the president, have the camera on me all the time.

Mm-hmm.

I think just to establish, sir, that the press is gathered around your desk informally and then go into, you know, that kind of thing.

You could do it on one camera.

No, I think one camera is what I have in mind.

That simplifies the lighting problem.

It simplifies the lighting problem to a certain degree.

It minimizes the amount of setup time.

See, we've been doing, obviously, some work since we got into this yesterday on how quickly they can react.

Well, we can cut that down, I think, to about two, two and a half.

Well, for the time we tell them that we're going to do it, until they can be set up and ready to go.

In other words, get their light up and their camera up and all that.

And we'll just say the president will be available for a phone call at 3 o'clock.

But you see, what I'm saying, Father, is that

In order to get them to bring electronic camera in here, which is going to cost them more than bringing neutral camera coverage in here, they're going to need a little motivation.

Because that's additional dollars, and they're cranking down anyway, just like everybody else is.

So we want to motivate them for this one camera, electronic setup, so we get that nice, crisp, spontaneous feel.

What he's talking about is that produces it on tape rather than on film, and it's a better picture.

Yeah, and it looks better on the screen.

It looks a lot better on the screen.

Do you think they're putting on the makeup last night?

Yes, sir, I do.

I've never used it before.

I always put it on a beard stick myself.

But this is no different than you're putting on a beard stick but making your face even, one shade, instead of standing a chance of possibly getting a blotchy, even unhealthy look.

This is seven minutes of your time.

Nobody really was aware that you were that made up.

It wasn't heavy.

It looked good on the screen.

Really did.

If you can afford the time, Mr. President, it's worth it.

I tell you, I could have stood up and applauded last night a couple of times.

Fantastic job.

They were actually...

They were actually, they were rancid, weren't bad.

They were hurting, weren't all that irritated.

And I thought they'd be as mad as they were at Agnew.

But it was done in a different way.

It certainly was.

It was awfully hard for them to be mad because I helped.

Do you folks disagree with what you're doing?

What Rita did when I zinged over their eyes on the front of those cameras and just talked over them.

Everybody had written about talking over the heads of the people on other press shows.

And there, the first time I really did that was a master, just turning and talking to those people.

It was a gimmick.

It was really effective.

Very effective.

Well, we'll see you later then, huh?

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Get too tired, don't get to go.

No, sir.

Thank you.

Bye.