Conversation: 463-001
Prev: 462-021 Next: 463-002Start Date: 8-Mar-1971 12:10 PM
End Date: 8-Mar-1971 1:13 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Malek, Frederic V.; Kinsley, Daniel T.; Horton, Bill; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Sanchez, Manolo; Tkach, Walter R.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:00:32
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:53:51
NARA Description:
On March 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Frederic V. Malek, Daniel T. Kinsley, Bill Horton, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, and Walter R. Tkach met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:10 pm and 1:13 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 463-001 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 463-1
Date: March 8, 1971
Time: Unknown between 12:10 pm and 1:13 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Frederic V. Malek, Daniel T. Kingsley, Bill Horton, and H. R. (“Bob”)
Haldeman
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]
Personnel
-Public information officers
-Departments
-Compared with White House
-Need for improvements
-Need for qualified personnel
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-Kenneth E. BeLieu
-Congressional relations
-Undersecretary of the Army
-Herbert G. Klein’s office
-Paul W. Costello
-John E. Nidecker
-Possible position
-Congressional liaison office
-William E. Timmons
-Communications office
-Changes
-Klein
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-Ronald L. Ziegler’s office
-Changes
-J. Bruce Whelihan
-Needs
-Changes
-Recommendations from Cabinet officers
-Types
-Walter J. Hickel Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-Employees at the Department of Interior
-Departments
-White House staff
-President’s position
-Importance of public relations
-Ziegler’s office
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Office
-Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
-Needs
-Correspondence section
-Compared with State Department
-Noble Melencamp
-Price
-Needs
-President’s position
-Communications offices
-Ziegler
-Needs
-Research
-Price’s office
-Mail
-Richard K. Cook
-Needs
-Congressional liaison office
-Importance
-Needs
-Role
-Importance
-Clark MacGregor
-Timmons
-Other staff
-Eugene S. Cowen
-Cook
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-Thomas C. Korologos
-Cook
-Cowen
-Independent agencies
-Malek’s responsibilities
-White House coordination
-Needs
-Civil Aeronautics Board [CAB] Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-Secor D. Browne
-Needs
-President’s position
-Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]
-William J. Casey
-Types
-Young men
-Chief executive officers
-Retired military officers
-Value
-Charles D. (“Tex”) Thornton
-Possible Atomic Energy Commission [AEC] chairman
-Glenn T. Seaborg
-Possible conflict of interest
-John B. Connally
-White House staff response to appointment
-Reasons for appointment
-Types needed
-Malek’s philosophy
-President’s view
-Arthur G. (“Art”) Linkletter
-Possible ambassadorship
-Australia
-Types needed
-Youth
-Harvard School of Business
-Stanford
-Qualities
-President’s view
-Donald W. Riegle, Jr. and Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
-Qualities
-Difference from corporate world
-Qualities
-Salaries
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-Malek’s efforts
-Cabinet officers
-Qualities
-Elliott L. Richardson
-Future
-Connally
-John N. Mitchell
-Melvin R. Laird Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-William P. Rogers
-John A. Volpe and George W. Romney
-Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
-Future
-Performance
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Cabinet Undersecretaries
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-Defense Department
-David Packard
-Transportation Department
-Department of State
-John N. Irwin, II
-Rogers
-Department of Commerce
-Rocco C. Siciliano
-James T. Lynn
-Dr. James R. Schlesinger
-Laird
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Changes
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-Deputy Assistant Secretaries
-Salaries
-Importance
-Changes
-Cabinet and subcabinet officers
-Removal list
-Rate
-Hollis M. Dole Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-Possible position
-Alain C. Enthoven
-George [Surname unknown]
-Conversation with Thornton
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Resignation
-Malek’s work
-John W. Barnum
-New York law firm salary
-A new Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at Department of Health,
Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Boise-Cascade salary
-A new Assistant Secretary for Administration at Interior Department
-Law firm salary
-A new Assistant Secretary for Administration at HEW
-Salary as vice president of Hughes Tool
-A new Assistant Secretary for Management at Environmental Protection
Agency [EPA]?
-Salary at Evans Broadcasting
-Political appointments
-Possible problems of patronage
-Salaries
-General Schedule [GS] grades
-Presidential appointments
-Super grades
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Nils A. Boe
-Future
-Mitchell
-Problems
-Vice President’s office
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Boe
-Edward L. Morgan
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-Problems
-Women appointees in government
-Administration’s record
-Qualifications
-Importance
-Compared with black appointees
-Concerns of women voters
-Value Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-Patricia R. Hitt
-President’s view
-Presidential commissions and boards
-Jayne B. Spain
-Litton Industries, Stuart Robbins division
-Support for the President
-Vice Chairman of Civil Service Commission
-Black appointees
-Importance
-Women appointees
-Requirements
-Political value
-Helen D. Bentley of Maritime Commission
-Performance
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-Importance
-Requirements
-Compared with black appointees
-Compared with other ethnic appointees
-Mexican-Americans
-Italian-Americans
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-Black appointees
-A Military Appeals Court judgeship
-The President’s instructions
-Women appointees
-Spain
-Cabinet officers
-Oveta Culp Hobby
-Spain Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-Black appointees
-Possible Civil Service Commission job
-[Name unintelligible]
-Possible Defense Department job
-Possible Civil Service Commission job
-Possible black appointee
-Robert E. Hampton
-Possible black or women appointee
-Black appointees
-Military Appeals Court judgeship
-Timing of announcement
-President’s instructions to John D. Ehrlichman
-Homer Ferguson’s recommendation
-Interior Department
-Schlesinger’s efforts
-Needs
-Transportation Department
-Changes
-Andy Salom [?]
-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
-Agriculture Department
-State Department
-Appointments
-Rogers
-Agencies
-General Counsels at SEC, Federal Trade Commission, Federal
Communications Commission, Federal Elections Commission, Interstate
Commerce Commission
-Importance
-Richard G. Kleindienst and Mitchell
-Justice Department, judgeships, US Attorneys
-Vice President’s office
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
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-Problems
-Government compared with private industry
-Republican and Democrat administration records
-Appointees
-Civil Service system
-Needs
-Problems
-Recruitment Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-Bureaucracy
-Malek’s efforts
-Training
-Job changes
-Loyalty
-White House
-Program plans
-Training
-Recognition programs
-Defense Department appointees
-President’s acquaintance
-Possible meetings with President
-Loyalty
-Benefits
-Political leanings
-President’s position
-Harry S. Flemming
-Importance
-Loyalty
-President’s position
-Conservative Democrats
-David Rockefeller
-Connally
-President’s instructions to Malek
-Importance
-Connally
-John G. Tower
-Importance
-Background
-Enthoven
-Scientific area
-Dr. Lee A. DuBridge
-Dr. Edward E. David
-DuBridge
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-Dr. Murray Gell-Mann
-Antiballistic missiles [ABMs]
-Multiple Independently-Targeted Reentry Vehicles [MIRVs]
-Malek, Kingsley, and Horton’s work
-President’s appreciation
-Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
-Employees
-Ann Whitman Conv. No. 463-1 (cont.)
-James C. Hagerty
-General Andrew J. Goodpaster
-Robert Cutler
-Sherman Adams
Presidential gifts
-Cufflinks
-Golf balls
-Gifts for wives
Malek, Kingsley, and Horton’s work
Malek, Kingsley, and Horton left at 1:08 pm
Malek, Kingsley, and Horton
-Work efforts
-Jeb Stuart Magruder
-Work
-Flemming
Manolo Sanchez and General Walter R. Tkach entered at 1:09 pm
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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:13 pm
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The President, et al. left at an unknown time before 1:13 pm