{"conversationCode":"464-004","tapeNumber":464,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-464-004","startDateTime":"1971-03-09T13:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-03-09T13:05:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Mar-1971","startTime":"8:00 AM","endDate":"9-Mar-1971","endTime":"8:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:00 am to 8:05 am. 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Bull entered at an unknown time after 8:00 am\n\n     President’s schedule\n          -Republican Congressional leadership meeting\n                -Absentees\n                      -Gerald R. Ford, Robert J. Dole\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 8:05 am\n\n                  -Time\n\n     Flanigan\n          -Role\n                  -Textiles\n                  -Oil\n                  -Airlines\n\nThe President and Haldeman left at 8:05 am","filename":["464-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:07:17","tapeEnd":"00:19:47","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"464-003","nextCode":"464-005","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":23.46,"text":"So there's no cross coverage."},{"start":23.48,"end":23.98,"text":"Public remark, thank you."},{"start":24,"end":25.58,"text":"I guess we can get the pictures."},{"start":36.67,"end":57.79,"text":"The point is that we have been working on this a long time."},{"start":57.81,"end":60.51,"text":"We're up against an awful smart guy."},{"start":61.61,"end":81.61,"text":"I just wondered if..."},{"start":93.89,"end":106.32,"text":"Yeah, and we've got to feed him an awful lot of things."},{"start":106.34,"end":109.39,"text":"He's in that work on the... Not anymore."},{"start":110.33,"end":112.25,"text":"He needs to make it really over his head, you know, unless he's going to go beat it."},{"start":112.27,"end":119.36,"text":"That's going to be just his job, his one job."},{"start":121.51,"end":132.95,"text":"Senator Zoll, Congressman Ford, perhaps they're not coming."},{"start":132.97,"end":133.77,"text":"Well, they're expected to come."},{"start":152.5,"end":167.36,"text":"Because if you like it, you don't start a goddamn meeting."},{"start":167.38,"end":168.2,"text":"I don't like to walk around and be ready."},{"start":168.22,"end":168.32,"text":"I am."},{"start":168.34,"end":170.93,"text":"Well, to find a good thing, I want to really examine it."},{"start":170.95,"end":172.73,"text":"Because I've done the same thing with a couple of other people."},{"start":172.75,"end":173.51,"text":"You know, some of the business people."},{"start":173.53,"end":178.64,"text":"And I've always been, because I think he gets a bad rap because of the fact that he's, you know, considered to be a..."},{"start":179.36,"end":185.67,"text":"inexperienced, youthful, you know, all that sort of stuff."},{"start":185.69,"end":186.54,"text":"Not one of the big boys."},{"start":187.34,"end":191.55,"text":"I know, but you said it's his son."},{"start":191.83,"end":193.83,"text":"You know, it's all that."},{"start":193.85,"end":196.67,"text":"You know what I'm talking about."},{"start":196.69,"end":199.46,"text":"God damn it, that's what they said."},{"start":199.72,"end":203.26,"text":"They said it about textiles."},{"start":203.28,"end":207.06,"text":"They said it about all the help."},{"start":207.08,"end":209.12,"text":"They said it about having the airline situation."},{"start":209.14,"end":211.55,"text":"I mean, because he does well every time I see him."},{"start":211.57,"end":212.07,"text":"I think he does fine."},{"start":212.09,"end":214.55,"text":"But, you know, we've got to get him on our own people with the very ruthless,"},{"start":215.19,"end":226.38,"text":"Bob, there must never be any sign of a dog yet."},{"start":226.4,"end":229.29,"text":"So I've got to lose count."},{"start":229.31,"end":232.33,"text":"Do you agree?"},{"start":232.35,"end":232.65,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":233.45,"end":234.03,"text":"That's what I'm going to do."},{"start":234.23,"end":238.14,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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