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Do you know if the lander is a car, Mr. President?

I don't know.

Well, let's see.

Yes.

I understand your measures.

I've been making some speeches.

Senator, we had a row in your office.

Mr. President,

Judge Weikert, Jim Lovell, the major activist in this program, both Jack Haught and Bill Polk were unable to do as much as Bill and Jack did.

They had some very encouraging visits and I think some very encouraging thoughts as to the progress we're making on campuses.

How are you?

Good.

You know, I have a slight feeling he's present.

It's a very positive exchange in both directions.

I've visited four cities, one of which is San Diego, which is my hometown.

It's slightly engineered by me, but...

And in four cities, as did the rest of the people, went to several colleges, junior colleges, and in some cases, .

And found that the students were interested and curious, not just in the space program, which they were very interested in, but also some of the policies of the, quote, establishment, unquote.

And that they wanted to understand what we were doing.

in my view, in most cases, were reasonable about the various positions they attended.

And they were willing to listen to some of the rationale behind Vietnam, or changing priorities, or financial posture of the country.

They asked good questions and had a positive flow from them.

Back before the graduate school, it would be a physical pressure.

How did this work out?

It ranged from small, small little coffee sessions in the Georgia being in a, say, a science lecture hall with about maybe 100 or 200 college students there firing questions for an hour or so off.

And pretty spirited.

Of course.

It kept me on my toes.

And being away was a much better feeling about students than I had before I went.

What did you see that was different about your experience?

The thing that I saw that particularly impressed me was that you couldn't say tell the inner feelings of the student from his outward appearance.

Not all along.

I have some of the most conservative, interested ones where the right is looking.

And as a matter of fact, as we were talking to Jeff here earlier, one of the few cases of

left as activism, if you will, during a meeting with my guy, short, clean cut, lovely hair, circulating in the back, whispering.

One of my friends told me sort of negative thoughts about what I was.

He put up a job, and I don't believe it.

But he made it, of course, but he made up for the part, too.

I had... What did you do for a living?

I was in a separate college in the University of Arizona.

What part of the country?

Very, from the farthest west I got was the University of Arizona.

And the farthest east was the French College in Hartford.

Where are you from?

And it's quite interesting.

I also participated in a student conference on animal fairs.

The Texas State Ambulance was composed of delegates from all over the country.

And the summation I had is that the same issues were discussed at almost all colleges.

There was only a couple instances where a local issue, like in Harvard, where Urban Brindle is an urban case, or University of Utah, where they closed a job or something.

And that was a local issue.

But generally, the issues were national, and so were the same in each college.

I found that I came away, I went with a kind of typical opinion of some of the European, and I came away with an entirely different opinion.

And I lay this to the form of my original opinion, which is generally what I read in the papers.

And I felt that the majority of students were really hard-working students who were interested in their education.

The disruption and violence was caused by the minority.

I felt that...

I said, well, why...

There must be a reason why this majority of students can't disassociate themselves from the minority and say, hey, they don't really represent us.

And in fact, it happened to me that sometimes he was sympathetic to this, you know.

He came up and went to three colleges.

It's really quite interesting what reaction I had at one college.

I had to go to Miami, which tends to be, you know, higher up here.

I mean, I went to Florida.

They, they asked, uh, the student, Jim Lovell and I were waiting for the parents to get it.

It was our first time waiting for the parents to get it.

The only time.

The student said, uh, he was very incredible.

He said, now you all are employees of the government.

And I'll relate this to Terry.

Sure.

He said, can you really speak your mind on issues at this thing?

Because particularly if you're a personal vision, absolutely different from the administration.

Both you and I said it.

So whether you're a senior or a minor, as long as you realize that when you get away from the space program, it's just an opinion.

It's no better, no worse than anybody else's.

I said, you know, Walter Hagel spoke out against the administration.

I saw what happened.

And James and I said, both of them have made no fair speaking out.

But Walter Hagel was in a completely different position.

He was obligated to support the president as long as he was in charge of his personal cabinet.

We were in a different position.

So he says, okay, I'll buy your answer.

I said, what do you think of our involvement in Vietnam and Cambodia?

his opinion was why we were justified in being there.

And so I came on.

I said that personally, I feel there's a firepower that burns.

I definitely understand that.

I feel strong about the pilot and his life and his piece of it.

This is just a person.

And his piece of it, that's a piece of it straight from the truck going down that road to the train house.

I really think that it was

We're going to be over there.

We got a bomb.

Well, I was right on the docks.

Of course, I fought.

I was floating around for the...

I was floating around for the exit.

I felt it.

I heard it.

I gave you an ovation.

And I, yeah, I stretched out.

I tried to analyze.

Why did they do this?

And that either they, the fact that I was kind of being open about it in a position that was really personal and disagreeing with the policy, or else they kind of maybe felt that we ought to really be more active, either go in there and bomb the hell out of them, get out of there and get out.

And the University of Utah came up and said that they disagreed with Vietnam entirely.

I said, well, Bob, what would you do?

They said, we should get out.

I said, isn't that what the president's doing?

They said, well, we should get out now.

And I said, well, now take a look at the situation.

Even if we had the ships that could provide all those logistics that would draw the men right now, we left all they could, just wouldn't let them get tested.

And we're moving the 300,000 people to shore.

And then we're going out on the ships, and the ships are taking them back.

Who's going to defend the last 10,000?

And they said, well, the Vietnamese, certainly part of the Vietnamese, if they can see we're leaving, aren't going to fire.

I said, if you don't understand the oriental mind, that's exactly when they would fire you, because then they can say they can drove us out, and they would save face.

I said, if you were the president, could you take that responsibility and then go work for the last 10,000 people?

Good response.

I would have been very happy.

I was surprised to find that in discussions about Vietnam, you know, discussion group, the question would come up that there was as much, as many students taking the pro-involvement stand as there was against it.

I don't know, did it just stand back and referee the discussion?

In some cases, they got a brother or a father, and that's just from people who really maybe didn't want to be there, but felt that there was a big responsibility.

So, in general, it was an encouraging scheme.

Well, it's very hard for them to, you have to remember to, but I think we have to remember as far as the students are concerned.

So, on Vietnam, not in terms of whether we should or should not be there, but in terms of whether we're going to be there.

That's right.

Now, I can't, the individual thinks that, well,

His life is going to be disrupted, whether it's to go to Vietnam in wartime or whether it's to go to Indonesia in peacetime.

He's not going to like it.

He's going to prefer a policy that doesn't require it.

That's what it's based on.

I mean, nobody likes disruption in his life.

Of course, they will talk about the peace corps and all that sort of thing.

They're willing to volunteer.

That volunteerism is gone.

Way down there's this, as they get near the end of the draft, you know, they think they're near the end of the draft, you know, all that sort of thing.

That doesn't mean that all their moments are selfish.

I mean, of course, you know, they love me, but that has a lot to do with it.

Then on the other side of the coin, too, I think there's a feeling that at least my, that is my confusion, and it's a terribly difficult thing for us to answer.

We are the kind of people here, whenever we lose, we're the kind of people who say, who's number one in the tie?

And they can't realize that whatever was created in Vietnam, a great nation at times, must take positions that aren't quite as well up their cut.

And therefore, we, at a time when we don't rally our fronts as well as we might, you rally your friends only when you take a hard position going one way or another.

You don't rally them by taking one, which may, shall we say, go down to the center.

This is phenomenal, of course.

I mean, the space program also understand where they, you know, we are number one in the North.

Yeah.

On that, steady fall, fall, but of course, I've been very intrigued.

Yes.

This is frontier data.

Was it crashing through or?

Yeah.

Or just falling back and settling in cities and accepting, accepting.

Go ahead.

Yes, sir.

I was at the University of Toledo.

This is the second appearance, and I'm honored to be here.

Very conservative, but they told me all the bad guys were out of town.

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very stable college life there.

Most of my discussion, although I tend to be directed in other areas, kept coming back to the space program, and the students weren't too interested in discussing the things that students are alleged to be interested in discussing.

And Vietnam, for example, a very little discussion, and My Lai, and economics, and Middle East policy, and that sort of thing.

I think it's more and more interesting, as I tend to do direct discussion in those areas, a very little response.

I also tried to direct a discussion in the area of their educating themselves to solve the social programs when they graduated and that didn't draw any response either.

Either they wanted to discuss it with me or they thought I was going to start preaching to them in a way, but they didn't discuss that.

I think we're very interested in the social aspects of the space program.

As I said, the discussion kept me directed back to the area, and I found that they were very uninformed about the kind of pieces of the program and its potential and the related costs of other things.

Bakerland Press, I know that they've seen Bakerland Press, but we had discussed these issues and they felt that the program was actually contributing and could continue to do so.

But their questions were largely socially oriented toward the program and difficulty in getting them to discuss other things.

That was my experience.

I don't get one school to be surprised when I look at my findings appropriately.

Did you talk to any faculty people?

I had talked to a group of faculty people, yes, junior faculty, they were younger, older, they were middle-aged, that's them.

I think all of us can only count on the faculty, the independent place for the students.

The groups that I talked to, they're ranging from a brand new bearded instructor to the old dean of arts and wonders.

Well, Bill, didn't you find that down in the faculty, almost the most militant of the whole group?

They were the hardest to talk to in most cases for the county faculty.

A couple of them are not blazing eyes and stand out, but I think that may well be it.

But the instructors, as far as hiring them, are reasonably stable.

I've known a couple of the social science areas.

There was a great concern over the priorities for San Diego, but hit by a lady on the school list.

A few guys were feeling involved.

And we chatted.

Mainly about the, that part of our space program that relates to the applications, meteorology, communications, earth resource surveying.

Maybe I'll tell my class that we're spending money on plum trees.

That was exactly the response I get.

I think it was a result of lack of information.

as opposed to getting .

The relevancy of the space program came up on almost every campus .

And it came up in, how can you justify spending so much money on the space program when we have so many other problems .

do you have any idea how the space program can be applied to these problems?

And I would give them examples.

Now do you have any idea how much we are spending on space program in relation to other programs?

And they didn't.

When I ended up, I think I had

Yeah, it doesn't because .

I had an opportunity to discuss

with one of the members of the committee, one of the students that he had working for him, the committee on the campus in a minute.

And knowing that at the time I got the advance tax in a minute, and I was expecting, I particularly tried to get, to talk to the student's president, the student body president, and I was expecting something on the order of

of a bond since I directed him on television.

And very rational, very sensitive, and a general individual.

I spent about an hour talking with him, making listings, because I was, I wanted to be sure, I wanted to see exactly what their feelings were.

The main expression I got from John was that, you know, he was concerned and he was, as he expressed, a sense of frustration and almost worried and grief over the social conditions that he saw.

So after having, after having him paint the picture of contemporary society as possible and good, I asked him how he would envision the future of society, one which he would like to see structured, how he would like to see it structured.

to paint for me a scenario that has leading up to this, roughly.

And I found out that their vision of the future is completely devoid of specifics.

in which they want, they crave, a world in which people live together harmoniously, and of course this is going on for generations and generations.

But when I tried to get him to explain to me, you know, how do you go about this?

Start now, this is October, start right now, October 1970, tell me, you're the president, can you tell me what you did?

Step one, what do you do?

Step three, six weeks ago.

Now, bear in mind that I'm not going to hold you to account for anything, but paint for me this picture.

Did you see it developing, assuming everything goes successfully?

It turns out it's very difficult.

Now, I posed this problem after I saw that the particular advice worked pretty well in getting information from him.

In other words, I was able to subjectively evaluate his evaluations of society.

I tried the same tack with other students, and I met informally with several groups, and on an element basis, I had an interview with him, I had an interview with campus editors, I spoke to a group in a physics class, and I also met with a faculty, at which time I encountered the only hostility I met at the campus, and he was a member of the Jackson Institute, by the way.

There was one thing that I was particularly concerned about, and that was I got a sense of lack of staying power in the students.

Endurance, stamina, long range strength.

And it really bothered me.

Yeah, bad.

Bad.

It would come along and disrupt anything.

It really upset me because, you know, you can pick a little guy and say, all I have to do is change the dedication and change the right way and all be good.

But I found that I was, I had the impression that, you know, suppose I'm out here and swing those people.

You know, and I really convinced them, not just by rhetoric, but by actually genuinely convincing them.

If I left, I would have no guarantee of what the program would be like in six months.

Really, that was the one thing.

They did have a great concern over personal attainment, quite apart from what I thought.

I thought, you know, they're concerned about the way the grades are handed out.

This has been from time to time, too.

But they had specific complaints regarding teacher quality, instructional quality, the arbitrary assessment of grades, that sort of thing.

That's right.

But this seemed to bear very heavily on their mind because they got it into discussion.

They would arbitrarily twist this around.

And I don't know, I got the sort of feeling after a while that they had a sort of a vision of some kind of...

gross return to the womb combined with group therapy type vision.

And it sort of, you know, it did upset me at some degree because there was nothing definite in their eating.

But I also felt very encouraged in that their attitude was reasonable.

Now, these people who go around burn the village in very small majority.

In fact, one of the individuals within my talk actually helped keep

two rival factions from fighting at the university in Flagpole.

And he stayed up all night with the radical group who was planning to burn the heart of D.C. And he was credited with single-handedly preventing that.

And they're very well-intentioned.

I was very encouraged by the large number of rational people

There's a creek running through the campus, and we drove by it, and I noted that it was sort of messy, and I thought, you know, these kids are all that much of an environment.

You can see where they've walked by and chucked at Donald's hamburger, that brochure.

And so during a discussion later, this is about related to space, but it won't be that if you're able to measure its properties and help with the environmental issue.

And we started doing the discussion on whether to be doing more about the environment.

It turns out that a week before, these kids had had Earth Day, or something like that, and gone out and cleaned up the creek.

And one day later, they started going to the foster home in Sierra Leone.

What I tried to, I had the general idea that it was like Jim and Jack said, or Bill said, that students generally have a sense of frustration.

You know, we're just students, nobody listens to us now.

And so then we have to go out and, you know, attract attention as many as we can.

And so I would kind of relate programs that have occurred at other universities.

One was a very successful one, the University of Utah, which they were able to, the political science department organized the students into, was able to get 100 University of Utah students elected to the state Democratic and state Republican as delegates to the conventions.

And so I would kind of relate, and you can't say that you can't

Voices can't be heard within the system because there are examples if you're willing to work within our system of having your voices heard.

But you know, you find this at the University of Utah.

You find a very active student government at the University of Arizona.

And then you find a student government at Trinity College which votes itself out of existence because it's inattention.

But the thing with this is that University of Arizona had an active student government, but they felt a very unresponsive university administration.

So I felt that if you're going to have a program with the students, you should really have a task team of experienced individuals that

you know, well-respected adults who had a career, say, in bipartisanism in administration, who could come in and develop a program, work with the administration to show, and also set up, and some students also in this past team who could come in and set up a student government.

And you get this community, because I felt that, well, and I've had the same opinion at the student conference on National Affairs, those delegates from Mexico,

that since we've discussed all these issues, well, we've discussed this thing in student groups and adult groups and other times, but what all we do is discuss, and there's nothing about it.

So we could, with a task team, you could develop a student parallel to community within the students themselves, okay?

You could develop, work with this task team, could work with the university to develop a communication between the students and the university, and also within the university-student community relationship.

Well, the Task Institute is a two-party system.

It's more political than I thought that this relationship between the university student body and the community.

Because I felt that, well, I took the students to task.

I said, you know, the average adult only knows what he reads in the media.

And you've got a radical element that goes down, burns down, and builds it.

In fact, the majority of students don't do anything about it.

Don't say that they don't represent us.

Don't pay any attention.

That's not the University of Arizona student body.

If you don't go out and try to change this opinion, every dad in the community says, Dad, Brad Laughlin is representative of the whole student body.

So there has to be action on the part of students as well.

And I felt that really the way that was going to come about was to develop this communication between the university students community through a kind of a task team approach as well.

Given one day in your chair that you realize that you have to do a lot of discussing sometimes to get a program through and back and forth, and sometimes you feel like that naively that you're kind of

state your problem, and had it solved.

Like that person came out and had seen patients.

I mean, you tried to point out to them that there's a real threat in that world, but sometimes it just kept Chinese water torture for which it had to be applied.

It's kind of working and it works.

You've got to respect the payroll.

That's not the case for a long time.

I think the major changes occurred probably during their trauma.

Maybe some of your children came to the faculty and said, what has happened?

Has there been growing up with children or families or friends or family, friends or society?

And frankly, you hate that.

You hate your kid for reasons that have to do with their own instability and frustration.

That's why they teach it.

You know, it's awful when somebody once said to those in pain,

That's, of course, very unkind thing to say because our great teachers, our great doers, and a fellow like Wilson, for example, the main point I would have in mind is that this is a great practice.

This breed that we have today is also terribly frustrated about the financial loss.

Terribly frustrated there because most of them have not participated.

They have found ways to avoid it.

You would check them out about 85% of the military service.

That's not a, their reaction is understandable.

It's a guilt complex for many, many years.

They are people that are deeply concerned about developing the race.

And that means that they're intelligent people and they naturally don't, they think of business and that gets far too much and they get far too little.

Selfishness runs much stronger on them than any of the black and blue dead people.

They run very strongly on them.

I'm not trying to request that there are some who are unselfish completely.

It could be the idealistic comparison, but that's a group, generally speaking.

The junior faculty at American universities and colleges today is probably the most unhappy group we've had in the history of this country.

And that junior faculty not only is there, it's junior colleges.

It's also, for me, a great number of high schools.

And it's a very sensitive force for that reason.

Now, when you come around to see youth and youths,

The marvel is that they do so well, basically in American youth.

And they put all these songs that have got to do with it.

You spoke with yourself in that position.

So here you are, 18, 19 years a day, and you say, gee whiz, I've got to go out and join the IOPC or something.

I need to get out and talk with the tree as if there's some clown that gets into the peace corps or something else and he avoids it.

Or somebody else is able to avoid it because he's a conscientious objector or has no rules or has not recently modified.

I mean, the frustration is enormous.

That was true always at war.

But less true than World War II when everybody was in it.

A very humble lot of people would have felt that way about it then.

But tremendously true now when the establishment, and by the establishment I mean the establishment of the press, the establishment of the TV, the establishment of Franklin, their professors, and by their professors I don't mean the students' professors.

They hardly see them except as gods and all that lecture to them.

the junior professors, everybody moves on to its professors and to a certain exam, and they leave.

And if you were to take a poll of them, as distinguished among the students, on the war, on the space program, on anything this country does, it would be more common than anything compared

That's the real problem.

And it's getting to them, changing them.

And that isn't going to change over to another generation down so long.

The war will be over.

I've got part of it out of the way.

I've got it all.

Because you see, it comes down to the other thing.

The environmental kick.

Now, God knows we all want to do something about the environment, you know, the dirty rivers, clean air, clean water, and so forth.

But you want to remember that a lot of people are in the environment for reasons that have damn little to do with the air they breathe or the water they drink.

It has to do with their utter hatred of the so-called system.

And they want to go back to what they think was that primitive time, which was described in themselves, which was not even truly extracted.

That is, that man in his primitive state has clean air and clean water and lives like a king to millions before his civilization corrupts him.

Man and his primitive state, they eat each other.

That's what they do.

And they aren't even clean.

They're filthy.

Civilization is a lot for people.

That's what that, they don't like this.

They don't like this because, here again, it's the doers and the thinkers.

The Wilson, if I understood this correctly, better than him, gave a famous lecture one time about the men of thought and the men of action.

And the men of thought are those that teach, write, and so forth.

The men of action are those that go into business, politics, space, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Sometimes you have a combination of the two.

And that, of course, is when you have the most effective man.

The difficulty at the present time, I think, is that our young generation is first, they are led by an irresponsible and, for the most part, an unidealist.

Despite the fact they say they're idealistic, in fact, in fact.

Second, they are exposed to the irresponsible.

And the same token is made up of the same people in the media, and particularly in the television media, which feels exactly the same way.

That's the mean all of the dirt we're gonna have to catch.

It's not an end.

We're gonna have to look all the way back.

Like Howard Smith, there's a lot of life in that record.

But you look at it night after night, Tanner,

What happens to an impressionable kid, they sit there too, they're gone for whatever they do, smoking pot, listening to the TV or the computer or the radio, the same message comes through.

What are they going to have to do?

Well, the amazing thing is that so little really has happened.

When I say so little, a lot of yes, because generally speaking, they've got to realize that our young people, they're all going to have some idealistic,

They fight great causes and fall into great wars.

Tremendous energy.

And they have the energy, the drive, the idealism.

They don't have the science, the ability to solve issues, prejudices, hatreds, and so forth.

But all their people, that's what they're craving.

But at the present time, what we have to do, it seems to me, is run for money.

And you must feel like you've got a new institution.

You wonder how much of it does a great deal.

In fact, one, you never know.

But that one day, he may be the last one.

Who knows?

One good fellow, one fellow that maybe never asked a question sat there.

Maybe he's one day.

Maybe one day he's.

I'm worried about the space program that I think is terribly important, as I have often said.

The importance of the space program.

You cannot sell this, of course, to the junior faculty type to us because the real importance of it is what it does for the spirit.

That's the real importance, may I say, of SSP and what it does to the spirit.

Oh, I know people say, now you're jinglisting.

Parents being number one and so forth.

that the history of great nations, once a nation gives up in the competition to explore the unknown, or once it accepts a position in the interior, it ceases to be a great nation.

That happened in Spain.

It happened in the 20th century to the French, and later to the British, and it could happen to the United States.

And that's what it's all about.

And so, when you look at these various things, just through the space program and the rest, whether it's global, whether it's Mars, or whether it's a shuttle, or who knows what it is, I don't care what it is, the main thing is we've got to go.

We've got to go because we've got to find out.

And out of this, you did it all.

Space men.

extraordinary qualities that would otherwise not be discovered, but more importantly, the spirit of these.

The country will not appreciate, right at the present time, the majority of people, all the polls show they're against SST, they're against the space program.

They want to just sort of settle down, and the reasons are obvious.

They want to get their taxes down.

They want to get their prices down.

They want to get their kids home.

And they want to get their communities cleaned up.

And they want to get the police to do a better job and all that sort of thing.

And they say, oh, God, if we just didn't have all these problems over on the United States, if we just didn't have the problems of the world, if we didn't have the problems of Vietnam and of Europe and the Mideast and the problem of going to space, then what a wonderful country this would be.

And the answer is it wouldn't be at all.

It would be a terrible country.

Because it would be a country big, fat, rich, but with no signal strength.

That was the thing that they've got to understand.

And that's what they don't hear from their faculty members.

I used to hear it in mine years ago.

There were two or three of them who were inspirational.

Today, the faculty is utterly selfish.

group of people who speak in idiosyncratic terms.

I mean, they're all emote about the problems and the ghettos and the blacks and all that and the rest of it.

As far as they're really concerned, you see, it's utter selfishness.

When an individual does not want to do something bigger than himself, he's selfish.

That's what space is about.

That's what SSED is about.

And that's what this miserable damn war is about.

It's a lot bigger than ourselves.

We're the leaders about that.

Maintaining a budget of 76 billion rather than 74 billion.

That's what that's about.

I mean, not cutting 64 divisions from Europe from 42.

Sheriff, all these things are popular.

So we took a Gallup poll of all these things.

Everybody said, get the hell out of the world.

But we can't do it.

And we don't do it not simply because we want to bring out a little blood or any of that sort of thing.

I'm something that's so people in a few parts of the country may not be able to understand that that is important, that we are proud people and noble people.

But if there is, in fact, you know, in Chicago or Los Angeles or New York or all the rest of these cesspools of intellectual incest, but the point is that

beat down in the American people.

There are strengths of greatness, and interestingly enough, where those strengths of greatness are strongest are in the colleges like Tokyo and the others.

The deterioration of places like China.

The deterioration of places like Yale and Harvard and Seattle.

And for that matter, all the elite, because what is really on the pockets after the secret, are not what we call so-called working classes.

Some way or other, they still have a strategy.

What is going to find them is, unfortunately, the upper middle class.

And part of the fact is they can't raise their kids themselves.

They have no discipline.

They've had it too easy.

They look upon the Earth and some of their emotions are unstable.

And if this country looks to them for leadership, we're all down too.

And so what we do is every night in our knees, you've got to thank God that you've got a few people still left in the country.

How do we turn around the student majority, though,

So what are they going to do?

Turn them around.

Well, turn them so that they disassociate themselves.

Well, I think that one thing that's very important is a different standard.

You know, one thing about communities is you want to follow something.

They want to be in the act.

Rather than others, if they can sometimes stop beating the shots, they want to be in that charge.

Wherever the fight is, let's go to the fire and heal each other.

We were all that way.

She said, I'm going to go in and ask whatever it is.

The difficult thing is, the president's behavior is not standard.

The guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the people who stand, the hearers, the nonpartisan stand, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing, the guy who's standing,

I'm scared of it.

These are the things we've got to talk about.

We've got to put it on that basis.

We've got to put it on a trade list in terms of people asking us, you guys are going to help, help, help.

We're going to learn in this space about how we fix up the weather on Earth and take care of all the starboard people in India and all that type of stuff.

We might.

And that could be what we're going to talk about.

Maybe there are other reasons.

That's why you can sense the whole thing, believe me.

People came over to the New World because that's what they came for.

They came for gold.

That's what they find.

That's what you're... That's what I want to do.

That's what I want to do.

It's very hot.

I remember this guy talking to me about this thing, and I was like, yeah, it's a lot of people.

It's a lot of people.

... ... ... ... ...

That's where the case was.

As I say, I'm very hopeful about the younger generation as a group.

I am, I am, I am, I think, for as far as the gender faculty is concerned, it very well may be the lost generation.

There are reasons that they don't even know, realize that, and so I wouldn't try much to save that.

because they've got their prejudices and all the rest of them, and they're established, and they're all bucket-seat professors, and all the rest of them are brown-nosed, and the guy at the top is trying to make it appear that it's all for idealism.

But the young people are different.

They can be saved a lot, because they love to eat clowns and don't see trouble in the end.

who really rocked on the team, but I thought the Trinity College here, the man that had this too, was a graduate of Trinity College about four years ago.

He said that school had the most people that just didn't care and didn't do it.

And I got there, that was the most radical campsite that I had visited.

It had turned completely around in four years.

Four years.

And there was one student there, they wheeled him in and really started chipping away at me.

He had been under indictment by the FBI for inciting the riot.

He brought it up.

Yeah, he brought it up.

He was proud of it.

And that's what worries me.

That one school continues so many years.

A lot of these, a lot of these, the Amherst, the same thing is happening there, Amherst, Trinity, there.

And also, there are also numbers and moments where we've just met, or they're far off on that, on the same line.

They've had a little bit of a change as it occurred back this year for very interesting reasons.

Don't give the idea that you're dealing here with a bunch of cross-eyed people.

I know these faculty people.

Thanks for your help.