Conversation No. 464-7

Date: March 9, 1971
Time: 10:40 am - 11:28 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John L. (“Jack”) Swigert, Jr., William R. Pogue, Jack R. Lousma,
William A. Anders, Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Jeb Stuart Magruder

     Introductions
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Astronauts’ visit to schools
     -San Diego and three other cities
     -Colleges and high schools
     -Moods and attitudes of youth
          -Space program
          -Policies of “the Establishment”
          -Vietnam
     -Types of sessions                                       Conv. No. 464-5 (cont.)
     -Conclusions on students’ appearances and philosophies
     -Colleges
          -University of Arizona
          -Texas A & M University
     -Conclusions on students’ attitudes
     -University of Miami [Florida]
          -James Lovell
          -Student questions
                 -Walter J. Hickel
                 -Vietnam and Cambodia
                       -Lovell
                       -Ho Chi Minh Trail bombing
     -University of Utah
          -US withdrawal from Vietnam
                 -Possible scenario
                       -North Vietnam
     -Vietnam policy
          -Student attitudes
                 -Public service
                 -Indonesia
                 -Peace Corps
                 -Draft
                 -US position
                       -Korea
                 -Public relations efforts
     -University of Toledo
          -Students
                 -View of Administration
                 -Interests
                       -Space program
          -Student attitudes
                 -Vietnam
                       -My Lai
                 -Economy
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                -Middle East
                -Domestic social programs
                -Space program
          -Discussions with faculty members
     -San Diego
          -Space program discussions
     -Space program
          -Importance                                    Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
          -Information

A photograph

Astronauts’ visits to schools
     -Discussions with student body presidents
          -An unknown man
          -John [Surname unknown]
                 -Social programs
                        -Future
     -Student attitudes
     -Types of meetings
          -An unidentified campus newspaper editor
          -Business school groups
          -Faculty
     -Conclusions about student attitudes
          -Concerns
                 -Future
                 -Grades
          -Patsy Hill [?]
     -Ohio Wesleyan University
          -Appearance of school
          -Environmental issue
                 -Results of “Earth Day”
     -Student concerns
     -Student influence on society
     -Student government
          -University of Utah
          -University of Arizona
          -Trinity College
          -University of Arizona
          -Need for adult leadership
          -Student Congress on National Affairs
                 -Delegate from Mexico
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          -Benefits
                -Relations between students and faculty
          -Political interest
                -Apathy
                       -Need for involvement
                -University of Arizona
          -Need for liaison with university community
                                                            Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
Student attitudes
     -Changes
     -Teachers
     -Leaders
            -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
     -Public policy
     -Involvement
     -Military service
     -Race relations
     -Selfishness
     -Business
     -Young faculty
            -Effect on youth
     -Military service
            -Reserve Officers Training Corps [ROTC]
            -Peace Corps
            -Conscientious objector status
                  -World War II
            -Effect of “the Establishment”
                  -Press, television, faculty

Faculty attitudes
     -Junior members compared with senior members
     -Space program
     -Vietnam

Environmental issue
     -Convictions of activists
         -Jean Jacques Rousseau
         -Effect of civilization

Doers and thinkers
     -Wilson lecture
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          -Influences on younger generation
                -Media
                      -Television
                      -Howard K. Smith
          -Students
                -Idealism

     National spirit                                                    Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
          -President’s view
          -Space program
          -Supersonic Transport [SST]
          -Effect on nation’s greatness
                -Spain, France, Great Britain, US
          -Space program
                -Space shuttle
          -Concerns
                -Polls
                -SST, space program
                -Taxes, prices
                -Vietnam
                -Environment
                -Crime
                -Foreign obligations
                      -Faculty
                           -President’s college experience compared with current situation
                           -Social concerns
          -Space program, SST, Vietnam, federal budget
          -Foreign obligations
                -Europe after World War II
                -US today
          -Intellectualism
                -Chicago, Los Angeles, New York
          -Location
                -Toledo
                -Yale and Harvard Universities, University of California
          -Working classes
          -Upper middle classes
                -Potential

Photographers entered at an unknown time after 10:40 am
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           -Standards
           -Space program lessons
           -New World explorers

     [General conversation]

The photographers left at an unknown time before 11:28 am
                                                                        Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
     Youth
          -Faculty influence
          -Trinity College changes
                -An unidentified student under Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                     indictment for inciting to riot
          -Amherst and Trinity Colleges and women’s divisions
          -Faculty influence

Swigert, et al. left at 11:25 am