Conversation: 464-007
Prev: 464-006 Next: 464-008Start Date: Tuesday, March 9, 1971 3:40 PM
End Date: Tuesday, March 9, 1971 4:28 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Swigert, John L. ("Jack"), Jr.; Pogue, William R.; Lousma, Jack R.; Anders, William A.; Rumsfeld, Donald H.; Magruder, Jeb Stuart; White House photographerRecording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:57:39
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:45:25
NARA Description:
On March 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John L. ("Jack") Swigert, Jr., William R. Pogue, Jack R. Lousma, William A. Anders, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Jeb Stuart Magruder, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:40 am to 11:28 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 464-007 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 464-7
Date: March 9, 1971
Time: 10:40 am - 11:28 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John L. (“Jack”) Swigert, Jr., William R. Pogue, Jack R. Lousma,
William A. Anders, Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Jeb Stuart Magruder
Introductions
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Tape Subject Log
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Astronauts’ visit to schools
-San Diego and three other cities
-Colleges and high schools
-Moods and attitudes of youth
-Space program
-Policies of “the Establishment”
-Vietnam
-Types of sessions Conv. No. 464-5 (cont.)
-Conclusions on students’ appearances and philosophies
-Colleges
-University of Arizona
-Texas A & M University
-Conclusions on students’ attitudes
-University of Miami [Florida]
-James Lovell
-Student questions
-Walter J. Hickel
-Vietnam and Cambodia
-Lovell
-Ho Chi Minh Trail bombing
-University of Utah
-US withdrawal from Vietnam
-Possible scenario
-North Vietnam
-Vietnam policy
-Student attitudes
-Public service
-Indonesia
-Peace Corps
-Draft
-US position
-Korea
-Public relations efforts
-University of Toledo
-Students
-View of Administration
-Interests
-Space program
-Student attitudes
-Vietnam
-My Lai
-Economy
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Middle East
-Domestic social programs
-Space program
-Discussions with faculty members
-San Diego
-Space program discussions
-Space program
-Importance Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
-Information
A photograph
Astronauts’ visits to schools
-Discussions with student body presidents
-An unknown man
-John [Surname unknown]
-Social programs
-Future
-Student attitudes
-Types of meetings
-An unidentified campus newspaper editor
-Business school groups
-Faculty
-Conclusions about student attitudes
-Concerns
-Future
-Grades
-Patsy Hill [?]
-Ohio Wesleyan University
-Appearance of school
-Environmental issue
-Results of “Earth Day”
-Student concerns
-Student influence on society
-Student government
-University of Utah
-University of Arizona
-Trinity College
-University of Arizona
-Need for adult leadership
-Student Congress on National Affairs
-Delegate from Mexico
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Benefits
-Relations between students and faculty
-Political interest
-Apathy
-Need for involvement
-University of Arizona
-Need for liaison with university community
Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
Student attitudes
-Changes
-Teachers
-Leaders
-[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
-Public policy
-Involvement
-Military service
-Race relations
-Selfishness
-Business
-Young faculty
-Effect on youth
-Military service
-Reserve Officers Training Corps [ROTC]
-Peace Corps
-Conscientious objector status
-World War II
-Effect of “the Establishment”
-Press, television, faculty
Faculty attitudes
-Junior members compared with senior members
-Space program
-Vietnam
Environmental issue
-Convictions of activists
-Jean Jacques Rousseau
-Effect of civilization
Doers and thinkers
-Wilson lecture
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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-Influences on younger generation
-Media
-Television
-Howard K. Smith
-Students
-Idealism
National spirit Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
-President’s view
-Space program
-Supersonic Transport [SST]
-Effect on nation’s greatness
-Spain, France, Great Britain, US
-Space program
-Space shuttle
-Concerns
-Polls
-SST, space program
-Taxes, prices
-Vietnam
-Environment
-Crime
-Foreign obligations
-Faculty
-President’s college experience compared with current situation
-Social concerns
-Space program, SST, Vietnam, federal budget
-Foreign obligations
-Europe after World War II
-US today
-Intellectualism
-Chicago, Los Angeles, New York
-Location
-Toledo
-Yale and Harvard Universities, University of California
-Working classes
-Upper middle classes
-Potential
Photographers entered at an unknown time after 10:40 am
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Tape Subject Log
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-Standards
-Space program lessons
-New World explorers
[General conversation]
The photographers left at an unknown time before 11:28 am
Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
Youth
-Faculty influence
-Trinity College changes
-An unidentified student under Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
indictment for inciting to riot
-Amherst and Trinity Colleges and women’s divisions
-Faculty influence
Swigert, et al. left at 11:25 am