Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 465 › Conversation 465-004

Nixon, Scott & Hampton on Rural Development and Revenue Sharing

Wednesday, March 10, 1971 · 9:51 AM–10:01 AM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Scott, John W.;  Hampton, Robert N.;  Endahl, Lowell J.;  McMillan, C. W.;  Butterbrodt, John E.;  Magdanz, Don F.;  Palmer, John;  Moos, Eugene;  Lederer, Robert;  Healy, Patrick;  Graham, Harry;  Gifford, Claude;  Willard, Devoe H.;  Sutherland, John I.;  Brinkley, Parke;  Frazier, Frank;  Goeppinger, Walter W.;  Toan, Charles;  Russell, Albert;  Andrews, Robert J.;  Harp, Elbert;  Jackson, Ralph T.;  Kirker, Lorraine;  Keppey, Roy B.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Bull, Stephen B.;  Nixon, Richard M. (President);  Scott, John W.;  Hampton, Robert N.;  Endahl, Lowell J.;  McMillan, C. W.;  Butterbrodt, John E.;  Magdanz, Don F.;  Palmer, John;  Moos, Eugene;  Lederer, Robert;  Healy, Patrick;  Graham, Harry;  Gifford, Claude;  Willard, Devoe H.;  Sutherland, John I.;  Brinkley, Parke;  Frazier, Frank;  Goeppinger, Walter W.;  Toan, Charles;  Russell, Albert;  Andrews, Robert J.;  Harp, Elbert;  Jackson, Ralph T.;  Kirker, Lorraine;  Keppey, Roy B.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Bull, Stephen B.Conversation465-004 onTape 465 (tape position 00:18:55–00:30:43)StartWednesday, March 10, 1971 at 9:51 AMEndWednesday, March 10, 1971 at 10:01 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 465-004 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with a large delegation of agricultural and rural development representatives to discuss his administration's focus on rural community development and revenue sharing. The discussion centered on the strategic importance of rural policy, the challenges of passing related legislation through Congress, and the need to address concerns from skeptical Democratic governors and minority groups. The meeting concluded with plans for the attendees to receive a special briefing and a tour of the White House following the President's scheduled press announcement.

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18:14Good morning, Mr. President.
18:15Good morning.
18:15Good morning.
18:15Good morning.
18:16Good morning.
18:16Good morning.
18:40Well, this is an American band, isn't it?
18:41Well, yeah.
18:41Well, most, most everybody does it.
18:42Right, right, right.
18:42Like that.
18:42Right.
18:42Good to see you.
18:43You know, we're in on that.
18:43Oh, right.
18:43We're in on that.
18:44Right.
18:44Good.
18:44Yeah, we're in on that.
18:44You ever heard of John Carano?
18:45Yes, of course.
18:45Never heard of him.
18:46Never heard of him.
18:46Never heard of him.
18:46Never heard of him.
18:47Never heard of him.
18:47Never heard of him.
18:48Never heard of him.
18:48Never heard of him.
18:48Never heard of him.
19:05Hey, you alright?
19:05How's it going?
19:06You bet.
19:06I'm good, Mr. President.
19:06We've heard a lot about you.
19:07We've heard a lot about you, Mr. President.
19:20That's one problem you have to deal with.
19:48Yeah, right, right.
19:48Perfect.
20:13Is that right?
20:13That's a little harder.
20:14That's a little harder.
20:31Well, I've already worked in it, but I think it's going to be a great pleasure to meet you soon.
20:33They're out here in the state.
20:34I'll meet you next Wednesday.
20:35Right.
20:35And next time out, we're going to be able to support a crop.
20:36Oh, goodness.
20:36Our needs.
20:36Oh, I see.
20:37Yes, yes.
20:37We're going to have a lot more success.
20:38We're going to have a lot more success.
20:38We're going to have a lot more success.
20:39We're going to have a lot more success.
21:00The President of the United States, Admiral Russell S. Martin Luther King,
21:17I know, I know
21:39They're still selling it.
21:40They're still selling it.
21:40They're still selling it.
22:07What's yours from Washington, D.C.?
22:08I'm from Washington, D.C.
22:08I'm from Washington, D.C.
22:32And I kind of go, she's kind of, yeah, that's her life.
22:33So I'm like, right, right, right.
22:34Overpowering, right?
22:34So I'm like, she's just like, you know what I'm saying?
22:35So I'm like, right, right, right.
22:36So I'm like, right, right, right.
22:36So I'm like, right, right, right.
22:37So I'm like, right, right, right.
22:38So I'm like, right, right, right.
23:01I see they all say hello to you.
23:03Oh, that's the gentleman with the barber.
23:05What are you going to talk to them about today?
23:07You're just going to give them a general greeting, correct?
23:09Yes, and we'll get the background of your message.
23:10Oh, correct.
23:11We're a golf gang.
23:11Over at the theater.
23:12So there was a pressure.
23:13Yeah.
23:26Is that what we're going to do, sir?
23:31Yes.
23:38Will these people sit in the press?
23:39Is that right, Steve?
23:40No, sir.
23:40No, these people here, the attendees will be having a tour of the White House when you're reading the press.
23:46You'll read the press first.
23:48Then afterwards, these people get a special briefing.
23:50So you'll read that first.
23:51But they're going to take that for a tour of the White House and then put them in a theater.
23:58Oh, so you've got the press.
23:59You've got the press.
24:01the idea that we've had our eyes on the cities and we should have and we aren't taking our eyes off this
24:29You know, this phrase you use a few times about the nation as part of a nation's heart.
24:48Yeah, I know.
24:49But this really is true.
24:50It's true.
24:50It's true.
24:51It's true.
24:52It's true.
24:53It's true.
24:55to strengthen the nation's heart.
25:06I think it's a good line.
25:08I've heard that before.
25:09Well, go ahead.
25:10Our first bill is signed.
25:11The bill will come to the board after everybody's done.
25:13I don't think you'll agree to that.
25:14I think it's going to be a nice little speech to do with this.
25:16Are you going to talk about your experience with that line?
25:22I think we could find a way to get around it.
25:23Well, there is a way if we could be willing to write in the law some of the grandfathered laws without
25:46in the making of a pastor, something of this kind.
25:49I think we can, they're for revenue sharing.
25:51But this, they're scared to death of it.
25:53They're democratic governors and all of that.
25:55And of course, this is the heart and soul of these land grants.
26:00My first question for you is that, like you just said, it's the whole harvest that I'd like to hear.
26:08I think we could.
26:09I think if we did this, just did that much, and then I think we could bring them all the way around on the 300 square foot.
26:18They're the kind of people that would be for the recognition.
26:21And I think we'd give them a beat song when they're coming to the country.
26:25It's very important to have them in the state of what Michigan State is one.
26:29I think we should give them the whole public policy because every county in the country.
26:33This is probably going to be the toughest of the states.
26:36It will not.
26:37It will not.
26:38I cannot sell it.
26:39I just said the right way to try and go out and do it.
26:44It's all about being honest.
26:45These fellows know their centers.
26:48There is not enough office.
26:50It's a minority group.
26:51God, these departments.
26:53The thing about the minority groups around here is they don't want to tell them.
27:01that they were going to be held harmless with the statutory case that they made.
27:04They're not going to lose.
27:05They're not going to get it back.
27:06They're not going to get it back.
27:07That's right.
27:08If you can do that with the excessive service, I think you'd be home.
27:12I don't have any embarrassments from the organization.
27:16I can talk this one to anybody, even if they're hostile, and do it.
27:20I just thought it was not embarrassing.
27:22I didn't want to do something else.
27:24All right.
27:25All right.
27:26All right.
27:27No, I'm glad you're here.

NARA Description

On March 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John W. Scott, Robert N. Hampton, Lowell J. Endahl, C. W. McMillan, John E. Butterbrodt, Don F. Magdanz, John Palmer, Eugene Moos, Robert Lederer, Patrick Healy, Harry Graham, Claude Gifford, Devoe H. Willard, John I. Sutherland, Parke Brinkley, Frank Frazier, Walter W. Goeppinger, Charles Toan, Albert Russell, Robert J. Andrews, Elbert Harp, Ralph T. Jackson, Lorraine Kirker, Roy B. Keppey, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:51 am to 10:01 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 465-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 465-4

Date: March 10, 1971
Time: 9:51 am - 10:01 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John W. Scott, Robert N. Hampton, Lowell J. Endahl, C. W. McMillan,
John E. Butterbrodt, Don F. Magdanz, John Palmer, Eugene Moos, Robert Lederer, Patrick
Healy, Harry Graham, Claude W. Gifford, Devoe H. Willard, John I. Sutherland, Parke Brinkley,
Frank Frazier, Walter W. Goeppinger, Charles Toan, Albert Russell, Robert J. Andrews, Elbert
Harp, Ralph T. Jackson, Lorraine Kirker, Roy B. Keppey, and unknown men

     [General conversation]

     President’s message on Revenue Sharing for Rural Community Development
          -Briefing
          -Length
          -White House theater

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:51 am

          -Press briefing

     White House tour

     Rural problems
          -Priority for Nixon administration
          -President’s message to Congress

                    -Signing ceremony
             -Briefing
Scott, et al. left at 9:56 am; unknown men remained

           -A bill in Congress
                 -Opposition
                       -Position on revenue sharing
                       -Democratic governors                         Conv. No. 465-2
                                                                               465-3 (cont.)
                       -Administration efforts
                       -Minority groups
                 -Reorganization

The President and the unknown men left at 10:01 am

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  • 682-001 9:57 AM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:57 am and 10:06 am.
  • 465-005 10:06 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:06 am and 10:13 am.
  • 465-006 10:13 AM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Peter M. Flanigan met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:13 am to 10:23 am.
  • 465-007 10:23 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:23 am and 10:42 am.
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Conversation 465-004, March 10, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/465-004 (accessed September 18, 2026).