Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 465 › Conversation 465-004

Nixon, Scott & Hampton on Rural Development and Revenue Sharing

Wednesday, March 10, 1971 · 9:51 AM–10:01 AM ET · Oval Office · 12 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Scott, John W.; Hampton, Robert N.; Endahl, Lowell J.; McMillan, C. W.; Butterbrodt, John E.; Magdanz, Don F.; Palmer, John; Moos, Eugene; Lederer, Robert; Healy, Patrick; Graham, Harry; Gifford, Claude; Willard, Devoe H.; Sutherland, John I.; Brinkley, Parke; Frazier, Frank; Goeppinger, Walter W.; Toan, Charles; Russell, Albert; Andrews, Robert J.; Harp, Elbert; Jackson, Ralph T.; Kirker, Lorraine; Keppey, Roy B.; [Unknown person(s)]; Bull, Stephen B.Conversation465-004 on Tape 465 (tape position 00:18:55–00:30:43)StartWednesday, March 10, 1971 at 9:51 AMEndWednesday, March 10, 1971 at 10:01 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 465-004 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with a large delegation of agricultural and rural development representatives to discuss his administration's focus on rural community development and revenue sharing. The discussion centered on the strategic importance of rural policy, the challenges of passing related legislation through Congress, and the need to address concerns from skeptical Democratic governors and minority groups. The meeting concluded with plans for the attendees to receive a special briefing and a tour of the White House following the President's scheduled press announcement.

Audio

Download MP3 · 16.4 MB

This clip was extracted from the full tape recording by Easy Nixon.

Listen to the full tape segment

Position in tape: 00:18:55 – 00:30:43

part A, 18:12

465a.mp3
465b.mp3

NARA Description

On March 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John W. Scott, Robert N. Hampton, Lowell J. Endahl, C. W. McMillan, John E. Butterbrodt, Don F. Magdanz, John Palmer, Eugene Moos, Robert Lederer, Patrick Healy, Harry Graham, Claude Gifford, Devoe H. Willard, John I. Sutherland, Parke Brinkley, Frank Frazier, Walter W. Goeppinger, Charles Toan, Albert Russell, Robert J. Andrews, Elbert Harp, Ralph T. Jackson, Lorraine Kirker, Roy B. Keppey, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:51 am to 10:01 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 465-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 465-4

Date: March 10, 1971
Time: 9:51 am - 10:01 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John W. Scott, Robert N. Hampton, Lowell J. Endahl, C. W. McMillan,
John E. Butterbrodt, Don F. Magdanz, John Palmer, Eugene Moos, Robert Lederer, Patrick
Healy, Harry Graham, Claude W. Gifford, Devoe H. Willard, John I. Sutherland, Parke Brinkley,
Frank Frazier, Walter W. Goeppinger, Charles Toan, Albert Russell, Robert J. Andrews, Elbert
Harp, Ralph T. Jackson, Lorraine Kirker, Roy B. Keppey, and unknown men

     [General conversation]

     President’s message on Revenue Sharing for Rural Community Development
          -Briefing
          -Length
          -White House theater

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:51 am

          -Press briefing

     White House tour

     Rural problems
          -Priority for Nixon administration
          -President’s message to Congress

                    -Signing ceremony
             -Briefing
Scott, et al. left at 9:56 am; unknown men remained

           -A bill in Congress
                 -Opposition
                       -Position on revenue sharing
                       -Democratic governors                         Conv. No. 465-3
                                                                               465-2 (cont.)
                       -Administration efforts
                       -Minority groups
                 -Reorganization

The President and the unknown men left at 10:01 am

Transcript (AI-generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI (WhisperX) and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Names and numbers are often wrong; speakers are not identified. Do not cite it as authoritative — verify against the audio and the finding aid.

Download transcript (.txt) · JSON data

Click a timestamp to play from that point; the page address then links to that moment (e.g. #t=125).

Good morning, Mr. President.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Well, this is America, man.
Well, most of you might think that.
Right, right, right.
That's that.
Right, good to see you.
You know, we're in a match.
Right, we're in a match.
Yes, of course.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Hey, you alright?
How's it going?
You bet.
I'm good, Mr. President.
How are you doing?
I'm good, Mr. President.
How are you doing?
That's one proper U of M.
Yeah, all right, all right.
Well, they grow up, grow up.
Mermaids.
Is that right?
That's a little harder.
Oh, I see, yes, yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I know, I know.
They still sell it.
They still sell it.
They still sell it.
What's yours from Washington, D.C.?
I'm from Washington, D.C.
I'm from Washington, D.C.
And I have to go.
Yeah, that's her license.
Right, right.
Overtaught, right?
So, we're going to do this right before he blows, huh?
That's right.
That's what I said.
I see they all say hello to you.
This is the boy.
Oh, that's the gentleman with the barber.
What are you going to talk to them about today?
You're just going to give them a general briefing, correct?
Yes, and we'll get in the background with your message.
Oh, correct.
We're on call.
Yes.
Over to the other side.
That's right.
So there was a pressure.
Yeah.
Is that what we're going to do, sir?
All these people will sit in the press.
Is that right, Steve?
No, sir.
No, these people here, detainees, will be having a tour of the White House while you're reading the press.
You'll read the press first.
Then afterwards, these people get a special briefing.
So you'll read that first.
But they're going to take that for a tour of the White House and then put them in a theater.
Oh, so you've got to put the press.
You've got to be able to get these people to report to the White House.
the idea that we've had our eyes on the cities and we should have and we aren't taking our eyes off this
You know, this phrase you use a few times about the nation as part of the United States is harsh.
Yeah, I know.
But this reads as well.
It's true.
It's true.
It says well in the middle part of the country in the south.
to strengthen the nation's heart, I think it's a good line.
I've heard that with you.
Well, go ahead.
Our first deal is to sign the bill.
Are you going to talk about your efforts to do that behind the scenes?
I think we could find a way to get around it.
Well, there is a way if we could be willing to write in the law that some of the grand pockets lawless would not
in the making of a pastor.
Something of this kind.
I think we can, there are four revenues here.
But this, they're scared to death.
They're democratic governors.
And of course, this is the heart and soul of these land grants.
My first question, why did you say it was the whole harvest that I'd like to hear?
I think we could.
I think if we did this, just did that much, and then I think you could bring them all the way around, 300 or so.
What are the kinds of people that would be for the recognition?
And I think we'd give them a beat song when they're coming to the country.
It's not very important to have a state-to-state as one.
Sure.
These are, I think they're in college.
So I think we'd give them the whole public policy because every county in the country.
This is probably going to be the toughest of the states.
It will not.
It will not.
I cannot stop it.
I'm just satisfied with you trying to go out and do it.
I thought about it because these fellows know their centers.
Thank you.
George, there's no problem with some of you.
You're dead.
It's the minority groups.
God, these departments.
The thing about the minority groups around here is they don't want to tell them.
that they were going to be held harmless with the statutory case that's laid there.
They're not going to lose.
They're not going to get an action.
They're not going to be left last.
That's right.
If you can do that with the excessive service, I think you'd be home.
I don't have any embarrassment about the reorganization.
I can walk this one to anybody, even if they're hostile, and do it.
I just want to say that I'm not embarrassed.
I just want to say that I'm not embarrassed.
Oh, you're just going to sit in that place?
All right.
Now, I'm going to...

Also recorded on March 10, 1971

  • 465-001 9:25 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:25 am and 9:33 am.
  • 465-002 9:33 AM · 15 min — President Richard M. Nixon, William L. Safire, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:33 am to 9:45 am.
  • 465-003 9:50 AM · 57 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Mark I. Goode met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:50 am to 9:51 am.
  • 682-001 9:57 AM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:57 am and 10:06 am.
  • 465-005 10:06 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:06 am and 10:13 am.
  • 465-006 10:13 AM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Peter M. Flanigan met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:13 am to 10:23 am.
  • 465-007 10:23 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:23 am and 10:42 am.
  • 465-008 10:42 AM · 2 hr 33 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Noel C. Koch, Alexander P. Butterfield, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:42 am to 1:15 pm.

All 15 conversations from March 10, 1971 →

Cite this conversation

Conversation 465-004, March 10, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/465-004 (accessed November 2, 2026).