Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 465 › Conversation 465-011

Nixon & Ziegler on Anti-ballistic Missile (ABM) and James C. Fletcher

Wednesday, March 10, 1971 · 1:37 PM–1:40 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation465-011 onTape 465 (tape position 03:40:18–03:43:38)StartWednesday, March 10, 1971 at 1:37 PMEndWednesday, March 10, 1971 at 1:40 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 465-011 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discussed a strategy to address a news report by Daniel Schorr concerning James C. Fletcher’s views on the Anti-ballistic Missile (ABM) system. Nixon instructed Ziegler to ensure Fletcher publicly clarified that the President’s Science Advisory Committee never opposed the ABM, that Fletcher had not discussed the matter with the President, and that Fletcher fully supported the administration's policy. The President emphasized a firm stance in managing these public communications to protect his defense initiatives.

  • Anti-ballistic Missile (ABM)
  • James C. Fletcher
  • President’s Science Advisory Committee
  • Media relations
  • Daniel L. Schorr

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3:41:03Yes, I thought I'd put that out, you know, like tomorrow as a bill, but I just said, I don't know, 216, I think.
3:41:22But I wouldn't put the number, if nobody was 17, 216, and I raised the other guy to about 10%.
3:41:35I talked to Dr. Fletcher.
3:41:43Yes, sir.
3:41:44I told him I gave him three points to make, and I think he will make them.
3:41:53You've got to make them better.
3:41:58You know, this door thing, I want to do it again.
3:42:01where he says that Dr. Fletcher, when he talked to you, was a member of the President's Science Advisory Committee.
3:42:11I said, as a member of that committee, did you ever express a view negative to the ABM?
3:42:16He said, absolutely not.
3:42:17It was never expressed by the committee?
3:42:19It was never expressed by the committee.
3:42:21Oh, I heard a lot of them discuss the ABM.
3:42:23Right.
3:42:23He said we never discussed it.
3:42:25That's one point.
3:42:26And then the other point that he will make is he's never discussed it with you.
3:42:30Then the third point, I said, sir, I think you probably want to indicate that you support the ABM system.
3:42:36He said, well, what I intend to say is, number one, I have not been involved in any discussions on it.
3:42:42I don't know that much about it, but I support the president's decision on the ABM safeguard system.
3:42:55I would never let them bring it up, see, because I would never let them get involved in an actual security matter or anything like this.
3:43:08And they went up and went on the line to make me up.
3:43:14See if they were even intending to bring it up, considering
3:43:25Ms. Fletcher said they never did?
3:43:32Yes, he can't be remembered.
3:43:33He never sewed in his damn yacht.
3:43:37Never opened his yacht.
3:43:39And I would never put him in a job.
3:43:42I have taken a heart, and that's the one that has the heart line on it.
3:43:48I won't give him one inch.
3:43:56as well as the little flat ones.

NARA Description

On March 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:37 pm to 1:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 465-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 465-11

Date: March 10, 1971
Time: 1:37 pm - 1:40 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler

     [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
         -Press release on class standing at Naval Officers Candidate School

     James C. Fletcher
          -Conversation with Ziegler
          -Daniel L. Schorr story
          -Conversation with Ziegler
               -Position on Anti-ballistic Missiles [ABM]
                     -President’s Science Advisory Committee
          -Retraction
               -Meeting with President
               -Position on ABM
                     -Support for Administration policy

     President’s Science Advisory Committee
          -Position on ABM
          -Influence

     Fletcher story
          -President’s position

Ziegler left at 1:40 pm

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 465-011, March 10, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/465-011 (accessed September 18, 2026).