Nixon, Butterfield & Haldeman on Textile Quotas and Congressional Relations

7:03All right.
7:30Say, I'm your dad.
7:31I'm your uncle.
7:31I'm your uncle.
7:31I'm your uncle.
8:04I don't have an hour.
8:08He wants to get his emails.
8:27to see Peterson flying in early yesterday and making a final decision on what we were going to take and get the input on Carlos being with Nellis.
8:40But in a very brief form, what I understand Carlos' thing is that Nellis will, if you ask him to, and will require meeting with you and, I don't know, Burns,
8:54Burns will, if you ask him to, and it will require a meeting with Burns, call the meeting of the minority membership of Waste and Means, and make a public caucus statement that the position of the Waste and Means Committee is clear, and that it is in favor of legislation, whatever.
9:17In other words, that they'll unlock it, and I'll do that.
9:20I don't have to meet with all those people.
9:25Because there's also the question of whether you send a message or not.
9:30Okay, now they were going to do yesterday and then held up.
9:33Well, actions, apparently, or legislation, whatever it is.
9:46No, just make a statement again.
9:48And it's a statement, not a message, it's a statement.
9:55I'll just give it to Burns and have Bob talk to him.
10:02Let her hear it.
10:04John B. at least or something.
10:07Well, Peter still doesn't know anything.
10:09I mean, there's so many funny people.
10:11I don't know.
10:12I don't know.
10:12I don't know.
10:20I don't know.
10:25Well, why do you want to do that tomorrow morning?
10:38Better do it today.
10:41Let's knock off the police.
10:45They have to have something to see.
10:51To see if they have to, if there's anything you want to talk about, John, both of them, just... You know, a lot of things.
10:58Maybe, uh, John can't come to me.
11:01That'd be terrible.
11:03The problem then is, if you have to see Burns when that time to get done.
11:12You probably ought to see him for a minute and a half, see if you need to just get beat him for a minute right now and just find out what you do need to do.
11:22If you don't do this in one day, it won't take an hour to move over.
11:29That's better.
11:29The idea of getting Henry in on this is ridiculous.
11:35I told him.
11:44Uh, yeah.
12:27It's when you don't have anybody who does these that, you know, knows the people with the statistics all night long.
12:39It's a street around this.
12:43John, you know the sign looking all right.
13:33Well, the thing came out of that, you know, which is kind of disturbing, but I actually don't think it's bad at all.
13:39It came out of that, and it's the Congressional.
13:43So, you know, it's a group of Republican powers.
13:47You know, they want you to be honest.
13:51You know, they're very concerned about this, and they actually need to do that.
13:55So, that's the story.
13:56Yes, sir.
13:56A draft statement.
13:57You may mark it over quickly.
13:58Essentially saying what you want to do, and inferring.
14:01the fact that you were going to send up legislation.
14:05The problem with, first of all, you said we met with the industry.
14:08They feel very strongly that they need that action by you.
14:14They say that if it happens, they'll come out strongly against Mills.
14:19And in your favor, I said, that is fine.
14:21But what next?
14:22They said that
14:25While these leaders are for you regardless, realistically, if we're talking about 1972, that this action now isn't going to ensure support then unless it succeeds.
14:40If this fails, by 1972, we'll probably have it solved.
14:43You're not going to get that support unless, at that time, you've really gone all out for a textile court bill, even if it means accepting some other things, as attractive as they are.
14:53They were purposely frank about it.
14:55I think Peterson was concerned about that.
14:59I'm not interested in Peterson's views or Hodgson's or Schultz's views.
15:03I'm not interested in Peterson's views.
15:06It is a very political decision.
15:12and stands to feel that the water can keep out of the front of this.
15:33stay on the front they feel you have to send this you have to say you're going to send the bill up but it does mean that if you want to keep from the political point of view the commitment if it doesn't work and if another course of action we're now taking with some other countries also doesn't work that in order to keep the commitment you're going to have to the end of this year at the beginning of next
15:55go all the way down the road and all out of it to get quota legislation, even if it means quota legislation involving other items such as the Mills bill.
16:05And that this action alone, if it doesn't work, as you say, probably won't, isn't going to solve the problem for 72.
16:11It has this following problem.
17:40Harlow met with John Burns last night, as you're suggesting, John.
17:46Burns feels that he's going to get up on the floor and say that he introduced quota legislation last year, the chairman introduced quota legislation last year, that nothing has changed, and that one man doesn't speak either for the committee or for the Congress.
18:08Harlow thinks
18:09and urged Burns to caucus the minority members of the Ways and Means Committee and to get them incensed at what was done here.
18:17He feels that if this is done, it will have a very good effect as an admonition on Mills for this end of the case.
18:27And he says it's his memory that when this was done, he was chief of staff member to a committee, that it in fact turned the chairman of that committee around.
18:38He said that at the end of the meeting that Burns was waffling on it, that he does not believe that Burns will do it.
18:46This is not the speech, but rather the caucusing, unless you get him down here in a private meeting and urge him to do it.
18:53Well, and it's even more conditional than that.
18:56If Price doesn't think Burns will make the speech, unless you make some statement of disapproval first.
19:04Yes, that's right, but I'm assuming that this statement of disapproval
19:12Uh, Corey, do you want to see Burns and, and everybody?
19:15What is it?
19:16The main thing is what the effect that Bryce, you know, has on Mills.
19:21What's he, uh, what's Bryce about?
19:23Bryce, Bryce is bothered by what Mills is doing.
19:27Bryce thinks that Mills has made a mistake.
19:29He thinks that the way to exploit it is through the, the nuance, the conversional nuance of caucusing and minority.
19:38And that this is the most effective way of causing for those to lose face with their Congress and to force them back down.
19:47But this is very solid.
19:51He says that what we didn't get with the waste of the incident.
19:58That's why all of this other stuff is wrong.
20:00That's the main chance.
20:01We're talking about that, we're talking about Sato and other terms, and these people, they don't comprehend what we're talking about.
20:16The central question, it seems to me, is do we grandstand for the text on the street by standing on the slushy?
20:25Which, we know that we won't get through, gives Burns a stick to beat us over the head a little later.
20:36doing nothing on legislation for the moment, holding that back as a possibility, trying to do the horrible thing.
20:46Well, how about, how about, uh, making a statement?
20:54Yes, must, must do.
20:55Yeah, must do.
20:57It is not satisfactory.
20:58And, uh, we were continuing our own negotiations with the Japanese.
21:08Mr. President, I think not.
21:14That's the problem.
21:15The politics of it, as expressed by the industry and them and Stans and Mitchell, are that it's not enough.
21:24Admitting that more would have to be done further down the road.
21:28the uh the industry to tell them we're continuing our negotiations with japan on the face of two years of the failure of japanese unilaterally terminating them this isn't good
21:49The industry has a plan beyond that.
21:52The industry's plan starts knocking down this as a viable alternative.
21:57Two, taking a crack indirectly at mills for doing.
22:01Three, going forward with negotiations with these other countries, which we're doing.
22:05And four, saying you're setting up legislation with them admitting that that legislation isn't going to be passed.
22:11What does that plan say about the timing of setting up the legislation?
22:15Now, yes.
22:18That's where, at least that person had a lot of trouble.
22:22It isn't that time enough.
22:25Because what you're setting up there is a snake which Burns can turn around and bite the president.
22:33I don't see that he can turn around and bite the president with that anymore than if we fail in this other ploy.
22:40We and he will go forward with legislation later.
22:44Mills has already got the Mills bill, which he introduced both last year and this.
22:49So I don't see that this action by the president really creates a new snake.
22:53It's already there.
22:56The president last year supported exactly the same kind of legislation.
23:00I wonder how big the distinction is.
23:09Also, in negotiating with the other three countries, if we're looking for success, to the extent that the federal legislation is removed, the chances of getting reasonable legislation when they think that Japan has gotten away with something less, reasonable monetary agreements when they think that Japan has gotten away with something less, is inhibitive.
23:34There are going to be tough negotiations.
23:36I certainly wouldn't remove the federal legislation.
23:39Okay.
23:40Diminished.
23:42Less visible.
23:48There is a feeling abroad that when this problem was up last year with textile quotas involved and a lot of other quotas, we were glad to get out from under them.
24:00Of course we were.
24:01But for those who
24:03The foreigners who are worried about voter legislation, they take some solace in that.
24:08Our own people who want legislation at all costs, they find that very distressing.
24:12So if you look at it both from a negotiating point of view and a political point of view, there is an implication in this.
24:20It clearly has the danger, Mr. President, that you'll find on your desk sometime next year, on Millsville,
24:32I don't hear any of that if we don't solve the problem in other ways.
24:39The multilateral route is a possibility.
24:44There's a possibility of another way to go, which would involve multilateral agreements with Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, which would then empower you to unilaterally impose borders on Japan.
25:00There are a lot of questions involved.
25:02Henry raises serious doubts as to whether you can affect the grievance of Taiwan and Korea under the present circumstances.
25:10We know what they've gone through.
25:13And you can't say anything about them now, about this approach.
25:44without any legislation.
25:49It certainly is a different state.
25:55It takes away at the end that part of it says I'm going to monitor this and I'm sure that when you see what happens, the Congress will agree to legislation.
26:07The legions are not going to monitor this and
26:11I've taken appropriate action which shows that, uh, we've got these actions unsatisfactory.
26:18John, you see the depra-code here?
26:22You suggested it.
26:23Yeah.
26:24I suppose if the thing fails, the legislation has to be used to do that.
26:34That's fine.
26:35That's good.
26:36I wasn't having a problem with that.
26:38What I'm really concerned about is Mills artfully developing a legislative dilemma for you.
26:43And sending it down there.
26:47And he's got all the horses.
26:51He sure has.
26:53Is that what you're asking for?
26:55I just always...
27:10They will stay, in my opinion, the tactical will stay, getting as far out as he can.
27:19We have a real chance of weakening his stroke.
27:23How now?
27:25Through the Burt's adulation, I think.
27:28If Burt, if Burt don't play, unless we put up legislation.
27:31No, no, no, no.
27:32He'll play.
27:33Put up a statement.
27:34Two conditions.
27:35Put up a statement, and you have him in the next week to do it.
27:43There is legislation up in front of Congress now.
27:47There is an alternative, a little wishy-washy, but reiterate your support of the textile quota legislation.
27:56Introduced by Chairman Mills.
28:01A portion of the bill introduced by Chairman Mills.
28:04It isn't, it won't.
28:06It's better than anybody's job.
28:09I appreciate that.
28:10I appreciate that.
28:14Your point is that you don't want to symbolically send out a bill.
28:24That's it.
28:25It's our bill.
28:25That's it.
28:26We should reiterate our support.
28:28I don't think that the political point of view is symbolic enough.
28:37It's where we were.
28:38We've done nothing.
29:39What you just said, and for it's all I must, uh, I, uh, I'm not sure you want me to have this, uh, pay that much attention to it.
29:51Sean, it's the way it needs to be.
29:53I mean, I know I've seen it before.
30:00I knew it in the first part.
30:04I'm not sure I knew it in the second part.
30:14You don't want the monitoring?
30:16That's fine, but rather than on the legislation, sending the legislation, just find out the idea of something to say.
30:38We're referring to the legislation, it's already there.
30:47I see what you mean, and I'm trying to weigh the political impact of it.
30:53The profit seminar that the industry wants takes out global legislation in the worst way.
30:59And they feel that this is not a commitment to it.
31:02Whereas your thing, you didn't set it up last year, they say.
31:06You didn't.
31:08You supported a portion of the bill.
31:11They have the feeling that you were greatly relieved not to get any of the bill because it was
31:22an initiative on what they think is the key solution, the only real, long-term way to solve that problem.
31:32And politically, I think it tracks.
31:39It's part of the bill that's there.
31:42It's in it.
31:47legislation that's there.
31:49They will say that's what we did last year and of course nothing came of it.
31:52That's it.
31:53I see.
31:57The reason it's similar is because you want the waiver provisions in there.
32:06What about the attitude of this town, the attitude of the chairman?
32:10I'm just trying to get a part of that.
32:12You've got a thought in there, haven't you?
32:38without saying, as a result, I will now submit a text report to Legislation.
32:43You see that line out?
32:46Then you move on those through Burns.
32:52And when people come to you and say, well, what are you going to do now?
32:59You say, what do you say?
33:01You say, well, don't come to the other street right now to say how you're going to move on to Nelson's.
33:14So that's a big gap in my hand.
33:18Yes, sir.
33:18If you want to lose that option, it will get burned.
34:13and do say I will continue to support, as I did last year, the textile quota provisions of the legislation.
34:20Now last week, as you said, supposedly you said to the industry, look, there are a lot of arrows in our quarter today.
34:41Don't be quite as dumb.
34:43You guys just have to make time for this program.
34:46Make it, I would rather than hire you than my people, that you make this program.
34:54I don't want to be blinded.
34:56I'm making it clear that this program is not, is not, you get my point?
35:04Yes.
35:04Don't put in the money.
35:05You just send the deficiencies of this program around.
35:14Well, again, because the industry is, once this made clear to the Congress that it is not so good at the job, and showed this...
35:21I just, what I meant is, I'm like, we shouldn't say that.
35:25We should be, we consider this, and don't talk about it a lot.
35:32You mean...
35:40Their program, things that they want done, include several things you're doing there.
35:45Plus they want it monitored against what we had agreed and they wanted legislation.
35:53In fact, we're just reading the legislation.
35:55Make it quiet.
36:01What I can add is don't say, just say as little as you can about what we are going to do.
36:06Just say that this is an unacceptable situation.
36:09And then, we will do... Look at the cost of this thing.
36:16It first comes down to your cost to the president.
36:23Eventually, that's going to be enough.
36:26That means, you know, it goes up on the floor of a house.
36:33First of all, he talks to them like potatoes on the floor of the house, and he makes a statement that the Japanese formula is unsatisfactory, and there are three bills pending to include the Texas rules, which he supports, which the chairman introduced, and that that's where the Ways and Means Committee is.
36:58which could be the next day or so.
37:00You can move several times, it seems to me.
37:03But we're not going to.
37:06We're not going to move, I would guess, at the earliest until the end of this year.
37:10We're going to go and try and negotiate these other things, which are going to take months and months and months in the interim.
37:16This congressional boy was a clear to us, but not to them.
37:21What I'm simply saying is that what John's point is,
37:26We know all those things.
37:29They can't possibly get to us until the end of this period.
37:31We're going to be sent for a monitor.
37:34We're going to be sent for a monitor.
37:37And if it doesn't work, we are then.
37:46We just have to push this.
37:48But you don't need to throw it all at one time.
37:51It doesn't.
37:51They're quite able to do it.
37:58The solution is completely unacceptable.
38:01That puts us very gladly on the side.
38:04The fact that we are not going to be satisfied with it, we're going to work for other solutions.
38:08The industry wants solutions in various ways.
38:10They'd like for us to monitor the present agreement.
38:12They think that will help some.
38:14They'd like for us to work with the other countries.
38:16They think that might help some.
38:18And, of course, in extremis, they want us to support a quota bill.
38:24And they know damn well that not everybody gets through.
38:27They want us to support them.
38:30We might do the last.
38:31We probably will have to do the last part.
38:34I would not be surprised when January comes around, we might do it.
38:40It's too late for them to get through.
38:42The part that I make is that I think that we, I'd like to have this rewritten that way, that somebody says,
38:47The efficiencies are clear.
38:48I don't accept it.
38:49We must, therefore, pursue, and as much as you can, pursue the other, uh, the, uh, the, uh, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the,
39:16There's a bill already.
39:17We don't have to introduce one.
39:23Now, that's one way to get out of time.
39:24I'm sure that they're asking the Secretary of Commerce.
39:30Do they want us to put in that in the State Department?
39:33Yes, sir.
39:33I want you to indicate that there's something good about the agreement.
39:44The burn scene.
39:58The burn scene.
40:00Thank you.
40:02Two hours.
40:04Wow.
40:04Okay.
40:09I'm trying to do that this morning.
40:11What else?
40:14If we're going to send a statement this afternoon, we don't need 11.
40:18Yeah, we see what we're able to do otherwise, John.
40:21Well, I think that's what you said.
40:23This is about to be done today.
40:25Yes, it is.
40:25Yeah, that's right.
40:26Or 11.
40:26At 11 o'clock.
40:28No, I don't think.
40:29Yeah, on 11.
40:29But you were telling me that I have a limited amount of time.
40:40What I would like to do, if you would, it would be very helpful, and don't get everybody in, don't get in deep, because if you do, it's very close.
40:49You, my daughter, me, the Burns, and Bryce.
40:5810, 13, how that'd be fine.
41:00That way you could sort of get off the rough edges and get it down there and get both of these views before us.
41:08At 11 o'clock, how do we decide?
41:10Can we tell them that I have to intervalle on the 30th?
41:12Yes.
41:13Well, yeah, yeah.
41:16It's just about a question of how it's coming in.
41:19It might be just as well that...
41:22I'm used to talking to you about it.
41:23He gets ahead of it.
41:24He wants the hard line.
41:26He wants the hard line, and he's for second legislation.
41:29He's for second legislation.
41:30However, I, you know, like, John had a pretty rough ready, so he... Yeah, well, he wants to be active, but, you know, he may end up that way.
41:39He may end up that way.
41:44We will have the legislation back on our desk.
41:49I'll take it, except that...
41:55if it weren't such a horribly confused lobby that you've got the whole eastern establishment, you've got some jettison that might settle all of us for months, and I just want to see us get to trade a lot of different trades.
42:15As a matter of fact, I personally think that the history is actually irrational.
42:21I personally think the legislative bloc
42:26It's pretty goddamn meaningless for the Japanese.
42:28They're smart enough to know that it's going to be hard selling a good shirt.
42:31They're a sure thing by the likes of Chavez and the rest of the Nilsson family.
42:35Do you see my point of view?
42:38That is why, however, I think you might consider, that's why I've been arguing both sides of this thing, why it's going to make the industry feel better to say we're standing up like a soldier.
42:47Do you see my point?
42:50I just hesitate to underestimate Wilbur Bell's ability
42:53to consider us to construct a legislative monster for you.
42:57And you have me lying on the weeds just waiting for you to get started.
43:00But that's why I've got to go off on hand and say this about what I had already suggested about the chairman controlling the legislation.
43:06I would put it in the terms of the Congress.
43:08You know what I mean?
43:10You know what I mean?
43:12Just put it that way.
43:13They all know.
43:23He's in control of seven or eight key pieces of legislation, and he's in a position to trade with the Senate.
43:35He could make Jack Javis jump through a hoop for some things if he had the wants.
43:42Does that sound like a good plan?
43:44Let's look at that view.
43:45Do you know all the Schultz's and Peterson's arguments?
43:49Do you know theirs?
43:50I mean, we all know their arguments.
43:52I mean, we're all in the same wavelength, but there's no use to get involved in the merits.
43:57They are delighted with this solution, though.
43:59Why?
44:00They are delighted with this solution.
44:02Send it, but it should be held without sending it away.
44:06Well, they don't do anything.
44:07Well, they want to knock you down to the east, and they want to say that this is nothing.
44:10No, I mean they don't want to do anything on the legislative class.
44:12That's correct, because they're afraid to float a thing.
44:15I understand that.
44:15The point is that we're in a box.
44:18Okay.
44:18I'm afraid you can't.
44:22Well, I'm going to write a little letter to stop a lesson here.
44:25It's something that I want to... What?
44:31While I agree that it's weak to say I will continue to support the legislation that's before you, as far as example is concerned, I don't think you give away anything on your own.
44:49How about saying that, John?
44:50In fact, there's a nice twist to that.
44:52How about saying that?
44:54Therefore, I must continue to give my strong support that I have stated over and over again
45:00to the TEXTO quote of the portion of the bill that is presently before the .
45:05And that has been passed or approved by the .
45:11And then for the last paragraph.
45:14Now, that's the way I think we can do it.
45:17See if you can get that .
45:18Now, I think that's a little better than the new bill.
45:21I think it's better than the new bill.
45:24And that doesn't pose any problem to Peterson and .
45:30Oh, I don't think so.
45:32Well, they know the bill is there.
45:33Yeah, because the area doesn't have to know.
45:36I guess you're wrong standing position.
45:37Well, they have to argue for the other support.
45:39I know that.
45:42Well, the reason to listen to the president is what?
45:45Is he going to get it solved next year?
45:47Or if you want that, then we have to get out and draw on full legislation, which has a lot of years.
45:53I think this is the best we can do now.
45:56We shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that this body...
45:58I would not have any...
45:59I would not...
45:59I do not trust...
46:00I do not give up on the fact that we can still get an involuntary agreement with the Japanese.
46:06We simply are not going to accept this.
46:09non-sensory effect of what the Japanese would be nice to us about our, and as the State Department said to us, well, they'll start being nice to us about what they, whether they help the Indonesians.
46:19Well, now come, they're going to help the Indonesians because they ought to.
46:23This is, this is, this is, this is all we've heard in a row.
46:28I think you and me, Bryce, and John Burns,
47:00If you don't have R, we might get through it in an hour.
47:08Those are our best.
47:10Fair enough.
47:12All right.
47:17Okay.
47:18Okay.
47:22Okay.
47:28It's kind of a problem.
47:30You see, John, about the reason I blew out the larger meetings, they didn't have these large meetings, that's why I can't present at C meetings.
47:38You get eight, ten, three people in a row.
47:42And so Pete Peterson's got to make a little speech about the necessity of free trade.
47:45I know about the necessity of free trade.
47:47George Holtz has got to be concerned about that.
47:50Henry Gibson's got to be concerned about that.
47:52He's got to have a good relationship with Sato and Korea, the Communist China.
47:57It should be boiled down to where one guy can give you
48:00Well, I know all those of you.
48:01I know they were down.
48:02But I'm just trying to get everything in here.
48:05We've got Peterson and this and that.
48:06I heard it from those.
48:07And here you get other people who started thinking about solving the problem.
48:12We all know the situation.
48:13Don't you think so?
48:15It's pretty damn hard not to, you know, they're all making well on it, but it's a hell of a tough problem.
48:29All right.
48:32All right.
48:37All right.
48:38All right.
48:51That's the way it is.
48:52That's why they expect it from us.
48:55That's it.
48:55Senators
49:20There's and somebody else.
49:22And one congressman who are on the program, they're at the table with some, they're supposed to be here, so they're getting them down there.
49:36We're taking on these down at Mitchell's request to just give them a little time.
49:46What have you got in terms of?
49:51I don't think it's really much of a race.
50:02You've got to do the television.
50:08I don't think it's much of a race.
50:18I agree with the reporter.
50:20The other two, I remember Hoffman and Paywell.
50:27I agree.
50:27I was listening to Paywell there, just trying to have a little chat, and then I can pull up and talk to him.
50:34Plus, you know, because of doing the CDF, the NBC TV thing, it was more, when you were just doing this, the radio made more sense than it does when you're doing the other two.
50:40No, I, you know, I'll report on it in a while.
50:41I mean, I don't think my voice is great.
50:46is necessary on this one here.
50:49And did you get the suggestion you had on this one?
50:53I know that it was screwed up, but it's all right.
50:55I've got it.
50:56I've got it.
50:57I've lost it in the machine here.
50:59It's perfectly all right.
51:01No problem.
51:02I'm just giving it my all.
51:03I don't know what it is.
51:04I don't know.
51:05I don't know.
51:06I don't know.
51:07I don't know.
51:11I don't know.
51:12I don't know.
51:13Well, he had a hell of a lead on it.
51:21And that's what's scary, a big part of the story.
51:25This is the last war.
51:32And it's interesting the way it stirred up an interesting discussion about is it going to be
51:42Uh, with the General T. Francis in the general context it is.
51:46If they read his notes, they were fine, I would say, but the last year, well, you know, I, I, I went on to say they're going to be brushing our order.
51:56I mean, you know, we have first and so on and so on.
52:01And then that's the way it's being interpreted.
52:04That's what I said, but I don't know if he had it down or not.
52:07I don't know if he really did or not.
52:08That's what I was talking as far as the United States is concerned.
52:11It's recognized as that.
52:12That's right.
52:13That's right.
52:13You know, I put a little note in the news summary that Dick Barrow handled it all well.
52:25He said that, I know that's where he said it appeared, because he's
52:35The whole press conference.
52:37What the hell is he talking about?
52:38Is that a lie?
52:39He seems to be out of step with the others.
52:42This is one he's been trying to put together, a case that we had at the press conference.
52:48He said, you called the press conference because of the drop in the poll, because of the credibility thing in the poll.
52:56And I told him, you didn't know?
52:58Yes, he had the poll.
53:00The poll was released after the press conference.
53:04Accrediting Al O'Connor to meet with him to decide the press conference.
53:09And he'll be sent to the Senate on the days before, except for some time before.
53:15And that has nothing to do with O'Connor.
53:16I concur with you, Al.
53:17Our neighbors probably did.
53:20Al O'Connor, we made the deal with Solberg four months ago.
53:24At least four months ago.
53:26Do you remember he wrote it?
53:29Yeah, it was made a long time ago.
53:31He said it was going to come in, it was going to be in, and I said I would see when he came in.
53:38It's a good point.
53:39I would get it across with the honest people, but rather it's not a kick of trying to weave this whole thing together.
53:49We're reacting and...
53:51He's trying to also build a thing on our selling of the domestic program, and take that into a negative, like the selling of the Pentagon.
53:59And he gets on these wickets, and he throws stuff, calls the church, doesn't go down, you know, hammering down.
54:09Nothing you can do about it.
54:21You know, the idea that common press cameras weren't the only thing, because everything else wasn't the only thing.
54:27Well, that's the advantage there is to be on television.
54:29That's right.
54:30So you don't want to be cranked about that.
54:32The Magruder Group knew who happened and all that sort of thing.
54:35Yeah.
54:39We got CBS on it.
54:41They really squirted on that and said, hey, what happened at 8 a.m.?
54:47And last night they said it was not true.
54:51Well, they put it on the pletcher live.
54:53It caught him in the hall after his hearing in Texas.
54:59And they got him on film, and he finally denied it.
55:03He said he had never talked to you about the ABM, and he said he supported you on the ABM.
55:08He said, I don't know anything about the ABM, so I would have no reason to talk to the president about it.
55:13I have never talked to the president about it or anything else.
55:16He confirmed that point.
55:18Then they said, well, in other words, you're saying you wouldn't have supported the ABM.
55:23He said, no, that's not right.
55:24I said, I do support the ABM.
55:26And I always had to support the President's safeguarding.
55:29He obviously had some restriction.
55:31He is obviously not all out APM and quality, but he came on damn well yesterday.
55:36And nobody can read that in except, you know, Mr. Podesta.
55:40That is what Daniels saw.
55:43And he said, well, this very car seems to be, and he looked at Barrison and said,
55:49reporter to become part of the story, because we won't do that, but all I can say is that he did not apparently, there is something, I'll probably wedge this out somewhere, where this guy was in some group that met with you at some point way back on APN, maybe in some science advisory committee or something like that.
56:13But Shore wasn't very clear on that either.
56:15He was just kind of wobbling around it.
56:16And he said, well, he had said this a long time.
56:18And he said, but at that time, of course, he didn't know he was going to be a presidential appointee.
56:25That's how he tried to wobble off the fact.
56:27Then they came all this, and Cropback came on with Ziggler's statement, just knocking the whole of Jesus out of the plane, saying, wow, that is the end of the story.
56:46How is he getting along with the Congressman?
56:53I think he's pretty good.
56:54I think he's very well.
56:56He's, well, I gotta remember.
56:59He kind of has to be far away.
57:02I think he's probably, well, maybe he's, I don't know.
57:07They'll probably have him sit in the conference.
57:13Well, I won't be going down there.
57:18Oh, yeah.
57:18See if he's here, though.
57:19I'm not leaving that yet.
57:22Yeah, I'll stay.
57:24I'll stay.
57:24All right.
57:25Don't you think it was a little bit of a crack?
57:26It was a little bit short.
57:29Oh, it didn't run.
57:34Oh.
57:34See if the bear is here.
57:37Yes, sir.
57:39Please.
57:57Get two hours on a helicopter so you can get early and I just want to be so I can use those two hours for everything.
58:05I want your meetings until I go.
58:10This is funny.
58:30In fact, he is a piece of sage.
58:31Catch up, he's as good as to see birds at death.
58:32But, Senator Pastore, as usual, flourishingly wants to come.
58:33No, he needs a very great honor.
59:03Doc, how are you?
59:03Fine, sir.
59:03I get the law.
59:29Well, I've never worked 100 hours under water, so I think we're going to have more fun than that.
59:34Yeah, but I've got to talk to this guy.
59:36Hey, talk to your nurse.
59:42Hey.
1:00:08I wonder if you can help me prepare so that I can have everything lost before I go to the court.
1:03:24Well, if you're, uh, what, uh, what do you recommend?
1:03:29You know, we've not done all of our breakfast for the matches.
1:03:33What's the next thing that we need for a productive relationship?
1:03:38First of the next thing, I said that he's gonna have dinner for dinner, so that's no problem.
1:03:42But there is just so much you can do from here.
1:03:45I think there are a few individual things I can do on the Democratic side.
1:03:48I've got to get Russell in and listen to him for an hour and a half.
1:03:55So we play off against Mills.
1:03:58We're going to get Johnny Burns in today for other reasons.
1:04:06The only thing you want to do is to keep the main thing, is to keep the fighting morale of the troops up, because you don't like that there's these guys and so forth.
1:04:16And they're in that sort of way, because the Democrats are divided and they're fighting for themselves.
1:04:21You know, that's the kind of thing that you can have.
1:04:22You can add something there that's really very effective.
1:04:24You know, Tony was very good at that.
1:04:25I mean, did you have him at the meeting with Congress?
1:04:27Yes.
1:04:27Did he do well?
1:04:27Yes.
1:04:27He told us.
1:04:34Well, he tells the Republicans, you know, you've got a great opportunity here.
1:04:42You've got a progressive program that's consistent with, really consistent with conservative philosophy.
1:04:51You ought to be selling the President of the United States.
1:04:54He's going to be a party program.
1:04:56His program ought to be enthusiastic.
1:05:02I think, sir, to answer your question correctly, I think now we're, you've done a number of things.
1:05:09You've done a bit, you've done a match.
1:05:10You don't have anything particularly awkward if you start on a particular program and you start on a different team.
1:05:21First thing is a tough one, and that is a visit between you and Senator Russell Long.
1:05:28Why did you have to do that?
1:05:30I don't know.
1:05:31I'll bring him in.
1:05:32I'll bring him in.
1:05:34I'll bring him in and try to get a call.
1:05:37And I may.
1:05:38I don't know.
1:05:40I've got to find.
1:05:49You see the leaders, they're rather uninspiring.
1:05:56In fact, that's one of the bunches, Jerry.
1:06:00You know, Jerry will pop up and hit one now, but most of them are...
1:06:07You sort of get the feeling that you're sort of crying, or what is your feeling about our leaders?
1:06:13Well, having just had, I don't know, Andrews has got a little spark, I don't know, having had some serious...
1:06:21He's been crying about his projects.
1:06:24He's been saying he didn't get adequately consulted about Undersecretary-designate Schlesinger.
1:06:44I would like to suggest to you, sir, that starting with Russell Austin, perhaps Senator McClellan, because Senator McClellan has initiated a favorable attitude toward your reorganization proposal,
1:07:10Oh, is the business with the next one?
1:07:12Yes.
1:07:12All right.
1:07:12You know what I agree about, you know.
1:07:15Our tour, the main thing is why don't you figure out places where three or four would come in together.
1:07:23I'm going to call them.
1:07:24I'd like to come in, but.
1:07:27he might be comfortable with the center you know the moment you start to say the individual has got so much time what i do is do that at five o'clock in the afternoon i never drive right in here
1:07:51We know he's got a job to do.
1:07:53What about Republicans?
1:07:54Do we need to do anything there?
1:07:56Not the leaders, but God, if I don't do any of these leaders.
1:08:00What about Paul's like Baker and that good group in the House and others?
1:08:05I've seen a lot of home guys.
1:08:07Are you working on those?
1:08:08Yes, I'm working on those.
1:08:11We have a proposal I mentioned to you again that has to move into the House.
1:08:17The curtain's off.
1:08:17We're heading there.
1:08:20They're going to have to sell your program.
1:08:21Dinner?
1:08:21Yeah, I think dinner is good.
1:08:23It doesn't have to be dinner.
1:08:25Dinner was suggested as a format that might be... Of any partner.
1:08:29Or about 45.
1:08:30See, there's 15.
1:08:30They're the leaders.
1:08:31They're three-man teams.
1:08:32They're 15.
1:08:33Now they're 16, Mr. President.
1:08:34They're 16 captains or co-captains of three-man teams.
1:08:36So you've got an option of 16 or 48.
1:08:39Well, I guess...
1:08:39I'm going to say if you want to have a man, you can have 48.
1:08:45I don't know if it's a...
1:08:51Of course, we just gave them the same thing we gave them at breakfast, but it's something else.
1:08:59What do you have to do about it?
1:09:05Having had a breakfast for the conference, I guess now we have to have an end for it.
1:09:10No.
1:09:11It doesn't have to be that.
1:09:12It could be a 5 o'clock meeting here or at 48.
1:09:13He could have 16 at here.
1:09:14Or 16 in the Roosevelt Room where he could have a...
1:09:17You could have 16 in here very nicely.
1:09:19How would that be reported?
1:09:24Well, not too that fast.
1:09:28That might be more good than having the mask in there.
1:09:31I'll tell you what you need or getting is our case in this case.
1:09:36Now, on the other hand, you can't have 48.
1:09:3948's got to be dinner or breakfast.
1:09:41So, I don't know.
1:09:43We've already had a breakfast at a meeting.
1:09:50Do you know these people who sell dollars or cents to a big club?
1:09:58Or do you?
1:09:58It's hard to picture.
1:09:59At the first time, there would be some...
1:10:01There might be some negatives to having just a 16.
1:10:04Yeah.
1:10:05But let me...
1:10:06I don't mind running them in forever.
1:10:08Basically, Bob, the best thing to do is to have them all in for breakfast.
1:10:16What the hell, it's the best time of day.
1:10:20It really is better for me.
1:10:23And frankly, the difference would be you could talk to them a lot differently.
1:10:28The other thing was the selling thing.
1:10:31This is networking together.
1:10:32I can't say pause.
1:10:34That's right.
1:10:34I can't have them for breakfast.
1:10:38And have an 8 o'clock breakfast and say, that's going to be over at 9.30.
1:10:42Thank you very much.
1:10:43Let's go.
1:10:45All 48.
1:10:46And you can get a few of them to report to the president on how the thing's going huge.
1:10:50And that's what I said.
1:10:51I want us back and forth.
1:10:52That's good.
1:10:52All right.
1:10:53That's what they do.
1:10:54They do their regular things.
1:10:55Now, the whole purpose of this, as you know, is not to sell the program.
1:11:00The whole purpose of this is to get them all inside.
1:11:03I think that's really true.
1:11:06The purpose, we hope, is the right one.
1:11:08So, good process.
1:11:09Would it be more good, and maybe you wouldn't want it to, but would it be more good for the president to go up to the hill to their records?
1:11:15Well, I'm going to give you a request.
1:11:17I'm going to put these down.
1:11:20Frank Boll, for example, would like very much for you in May to come up and have lunch at their records.
1:11:35But you see, so that's the Appropriations Committee, and then there's the Armed Services Committee, and then there's the other committee, and then there's terrible justice.
1:11:52And I can do the leaders.
1:11:53I do go up.
1:11:54I would go up with Alvarez if I didn't get a percent.
1:12:03I would hesitate on the appropriations thing.
1:12:07I don't want to be, I'm not complying with anything, I don't know if you think you'll.
1:12:16What do you think?
1:12:18I'm making the most of it.
1:12:19I'm reporting the point with the Kirkendall Group, that it would be more to them for you to come up and meet with them on their grounds than it is for you.
1:12:35These are your own team.
1:12:36These are your own failures.
1:12:40Do you think they'd have a breakfast tonight?
1:12:43They'd eat the breakfast.
1:12:44That's what they did with Connie.
1:12:47They had a breakfast meeting up there.
1:12:49And Connie went out.
1:12:50They would plan another one.
1:12:52They hoped to initiate their program.
1:12:53They were on the show.
1:12:57They gave you a chance.
1:12:58You were between having a hand and a breakfast.
1:13:00So therefore, that's a different place.
1:13:05I wouldn't mind.
1:13:06I don't mind going up there.
1:13:07I'm just trying to think of how we go.
1:13:08The way it's more complimentary to them is that you go up there, or is it not?
1:13:13Yes, in a way it is.
1:13:14In a way it is.
1:13:15Yeah, that's how a lot of people come to the White House.
1:13:17They all look for the White House.
1:13:19Don't irritate yourself.
1:13:19Like John Connally would say, after those breakfasts where they had a great time, he said, listen, you don't know what it means for any of us.
1:13:24You don't know what it's like going right into the White House.
1:13:30That's a great trip.
1:13:31It means a lot.
1:13:32And no matter how many times they come, they like to say, I went to the White House.
1:13:37So I'm not so sure that it means all that to run under the hill.
1:13:41The main thing is this.
1:13:46You sit down and work out what you need.
1:13:50And we'll rifle shop these things and we'll do some individuals.
1:13:55Mr. President, what they would really like is not for you to sit down
1:14:03The thing that would be exciting to them is an unannounced drop-in, where you would just come in and talk for two or three minutes and tell them you appreciate what they're doing and, boy, that's what they really get.
1:14:21Your telephone call is great.
1:14:24Oh, that's easy.
1:14:27We can do that.
1:14:28Just a drop-in.
1:14:30Not so that you get seated down.
1:14:32Yeah.
1:14:32Yeah, it doesn't look like we've been going around here.
1:14:34Good luck running in, Steve.
1:14:35You're doing a great job running out.
1:14:37That's cool.
1:14:38Just found out we were meeting up there.
1:14:40Follow us when I'm dropping in.
1:14:42All right, good.
1:14:43Let's try one like that.
1:14:44Let's try to do a mix.
1:14:45Try to change the place.
1:14:47Clarkson, the place where it's down there.
1:14:49The meeting's set.
1:14:52Hold on.
1:14:52They're meeting up.
1:14:54Can you do it, then?
1:14:57That's 11.
1:14:57I got it.
1:14:58That's it.
1:15:09It isn't entirely hand-holding.
1:15:16I'm sure, Mr. President, that, you know, I sat in on your meeting with Barry Goldwater.
1:15:22I know that Barry went back and said, boy, this is the greatest thing I've ever said to the President.
1:15:26We talked about the Air and Space Museum and, of course, other Senators.
1:15:31I think a little...
1:15:34I know.
1:15:35Well, Barry's got...
1:15:40Which one's if you die?
1:15:41And you better hear me.
1:15:44Peter Dominick wants to come in and visit with you, but he wants to come in and visit with you about the Senatorial Campaign Committee and... Well, I'd like to have it with the old venture, but it's not a bad idea.
1:15:52I want you to set up a meeting.
1:15:53I cannot call all that long at one time.
1:15:55I don't want to meet him.
1:15:57He might as well bring Wilson.
1:16:01No.
1:16:01Leave Wilson.
1:16:02I don't want to meet him.
1:16:11I hope you know how it feels, our leaders meeting.
1:16:14Everybody's concerned about it.
1:16:17It's Hugh Scott, so let's face it.
1:16:20But when I say it's Hugh Scott, I don't want to be quite there.
1:16:23That is our information.
1:16:25Apparently somebody on his staff leaks.
1:16:27But forget it.
1:16:28Just forget it.
1:16:29I did say this.
1:16:37I've said to Peter Donahue, I've said to Peter Donahue, he doesn't, it's something that I know he has to deal with and I can't prevent it.
1:16:44And another thing too, this is not that important.
1:16:46Well, but there's Peter Donahue.
1:16:48The other thing I wonder is, well, how about some of our new Congress, how about the likes of, how about the new, newly elected?
1:17:00And the, in other words, broke, we got nobody, we had broke a few months ago, a couple of months ago, 60 days ago.
1:17:09People like that, I guess you're visited with a lot of them.
1:17:13You got to have the left, you see the trouble with, you started having senators, so you got the 45.
1:17:20And you'd have one, you got the left and the right.
1:17:23I haven't had Goldwater, you got to have, I have broke.
1:17:26They said, oh, my name talks about going to Seattle.
1:17:28Oh, all right.
1:17:35I think it was Senator Aitken, George Aitken, and George has talked to me about that and appreciates that very much.
1:17:42One of the things that you might want to do, Mr. President, is to meet with the so-called Wednesday group in the Senate.
1:17:48There are about 10 or 11 of them, and they generally are in support of your legislative program.
1:17:56And then back with us, Chuck Percy and others are saying, gee, we could do a lot more, you know.
1:18:05But if you do that, you've got to bring in, you've got to do also, you've got to balance that with a little of the hard iron boys, you know.
1:18:15Sam Devine is not, he's asked me a ton of times, can we have dinner with the president or a meeting with the president?
1:18:22for our so-called Republican regulars and so-called conservatives in the House.
1:18:26If you had a meeting with the Wednesday group in the Senate and conservatives in the House, it bounces off in a very different way because the Republicans and conservatives in the Senate, they're basically here.
1:18:41Well, they're going to leave you, Chuck.
1:18:47No, he's got to be here.
1:18:49You know the guys, the stalwarts, too.
1:18:50Cotton and Tower and all those guys that we got.
1:18:55Well, you've got Cotton.
1:18:57Cotton and the leadership.
1:18:58Yeah.
1:18:59Tower.
1:19:00And we saw Tower.
1:19:01I've seen Tower.
1:19:02Yes.
1:19:02I've had that in mind.
1:19:05Who else?
1:19:06You saw Tower and then they're close to space or something.
1:19:10Maybe.
1:19:11Yeah.
1:19:11We're trying to close that down.
1:19:14Yeah, well, rather than...
1:19:17I didn't want to give you something.
1:19:21Thank you for... No, the office is a problem.
1:19:24It's a terrible problem.
1:19:27There's a very bad headline in the Dulles Lake paper.
1:19:32Mel was here right after you were so gracious to the North Dakota legislators.
1:19:36He went back to North Dakota and was critical of revenue sharing.
1:19:41Of course, they loved it.
1:19:42Those people loved to play.
1:19:46And...
1:19:47I wish I could suggest to you that he doesn't have his spark.
1:19:51There are all sorts of mappers out there.
1:19:54I just, to be fair to you, don't worry.
1:20:06There's nothing to do with it.
1:20:07I did everything for him.
1:20:08I'm his legislator tonight.
1:20:09I know you were not a great one, Ed.
1:20:10They're all happy to know I had it done again a couple days later or something.
1:20:13I think he came every Sunday morning from North Dakota.
1:20:18He does stand well.
1:20:19I believe I've been all that time.
1:20:21The French Bennett did stuff, but it doesn't make any difference, you see, the current manager.
1:20:28But I do say this is a divine group.
1:20:29I don't know how you're going to get them in, whatever they ought to do.
1:20:34If they have a meeting, what about just having Sam in?
1:20:40That's a volatile meeting.
1:20:43Or is that not a good idea?
1:20:44Well, Sam is specifically asked to see the whole group.
1:20:48How many are there?
1:20:49There are, I don't know, Sam says 60, but there are probably 35 or 40.
1:21:01Senator was worried about the war.
1:21:07Senator was worried about... You're right, those are the two sticking points with each.
1:21:11Senator Carl Curtis would like to come in and see you.
1:21:14Carl is very much a gentleman, but he said, Clark, I don't want you to bother the President.
1:21:19But, you know, sometime, I'd like...
1:21:21He said, I'd like to come in and visit with the President.
1:21:24But don't you send a memorandum to the President saying... All right.
1:21:28That's the kind of guy that I want to come in.
1:21:30He's a people-lover.
1:21:31We do our best.
1:21:33But then Charles said, don't worry, I just want to... That's the other loyalist type that we... See, you don't want to overlook those guys that are driving you.
1:21:41And you're just working on trying to work the month thing out.
1:21:42So, yeah, I mean, you know, you're driving.
1:21:44No change in the car's condition.
1:21:47I see.
1:21:47Right.
1:21:48There's never going to be a change.
1:21:53They keep putting out that he's getting better.
1:21:55He's not in a lot of trouble.
1:21:57He hasn't apparently had a ride out.
1:22:00It's better than I say, let's do the Divining Room before you do the Wednesday.
1:22:04And follow up with that.
1:22:05So that's what I do with the Divining Room.
1:22:11And I do your House Loyalists first.
1:22:13And I do the Divining Room.
1:22:15And whack around.
1:22:16And then getting Russell on.
1:22:18George Mayhunt is nothing.
1:22:19It's worth getting in.
1:22:20He's a good man.
1:22:24He is, and you should know that George Mayhunt is.
1:22:26very disturbed right now at Wilbur Mills, not just about the textual matter, but about the fact that George Mayon believes that Wilbur Mills is pulling the strings behind Colonel Albert, and Wilbur is responsible for loading up George Mayon's committee with the six new military whistles.
1:22:41That's great.
1:22:41And George Mayon gets to be tied with Wilbur Mills.
1:22:43Mills is playing a big, big part in this.
1:22:47Mills is not going anywhere.
1:22:54I have a very interesting meeting.
1:22:57I asked Jerry Ford yesterday morning if he'd get together in his office, Les Aaron's, Johnny Rhodes, Wilbur, or Johnny Burns, and Charlie Jonas, because Charlie is kind of the spokesman for the Texas Air Force on the Republican side.
1:23:15John Rhodes felt that you ought to crack Wilbur correctly.
1:23:19Jerry Ford and Johnny Burns did not.
1:23:22They felt you ought to crack
1:23:26the Washington lobbyists and indirectly to remove immigrants.
1:23:30That's exactly it.
1:23:32Look, you work here, Neil, out here.
1:23:36We're going to try to see if you have to remember that we also have cat offices that have their hands held.
1:23:48And actually, there's blocks.
1:23:58Black people and so forth and so on.
1:24:02The blacks are cranking up for us.
1:24:07What about the 12 blacks that have been arranged?
1:24:11I'll make one of these 23rd, 24th, and 25th.
1:24:13All right.
1:24:14This is a happy oasis.
1:24:16This is Russell, not me.
1:24:19Smart.
1:24:20He doesn't want you to be associated with what he's on.
1:24:22We want to get our, you know, us talking to the blacks in first and the, and the, I mean, I can't do any of these.
1:24:31I mean, I mean, with our own, you know, with our own administration on the channel, either before or after the prospect of the war.
1:24:39Purpose.
1:24:39Why don't you come with me together?
1:24:45No, the other way is,
1:24:49Yeah, I've been accomplished.
1:24:50I'm just trying to get the kind of boy that you need as well.
1:24:53The other one is, it's really important to start with purpose.
1:24:56If it's our pleasure, it's good if we want to start doing something like that.
1:25:17What the hell is this, Dr. Burns?
1:25:19No, no, no, it's John Burns.
1:25:26All right, don't worry about that.
1:25:27We'll make sure to get you out of the way.
1:25:44I should have hit him.
1:25:46Now he is, yeah.
1:25:51All right.
1:25:51All right, drill.
1:25:54Press the water.
1:25:56Now we have all our albums, but the main thing is to keep them balanced in order to end the war situation.
1:26:06It's a question of how those come out.
1:26:11It's coming along well.
1:26:13And the same on the economy and the rest.
1:26:15I mean, not the hair comes out of all white roses, but the white is.
1:26:19You've got to figure, what are they going to do?
1:26:22The other side's got a hell of a problem, too.
1:26:23You'll consider the deterioration of the position of the North Vietnamese, of course, in the West.
1:26:31In talking briefly yesterday with this Yale political union, I've been saying no, no, no, no, no to all these groups, but I got pushed into this one.
1:26:47And they said to me, well, what about this alternative and this alternative and this alternative?
1:26:52And I said, you know,
1:26:53The raising of all these alternatives is a tribute to the power of the President's legislative program.
1:26:59If the program weren't a solid, sound program, the Democrats would just be opposed to the program.
1:27:05But as it is, they're coming up suggesting all these alternatives, which means that they realize that the President's legislative program has great validity and popular appeal throughout the country.
1:27:18Thank you.
1:27:20Otherwise, why in this adversary proceeding that we call a market two-party system?
1:27:25Why would the majority in Congress be voting both of those alternatives if they weren't concerned with it?
1:27:30By the way, Mr. Daly, I've talked, I think, a few of his presses over.
1:27:34I would, when you're talking to the press, I would try to avoid talking very much about congressional relations.
1:27:41You've always got to be in a position where you never say anything about Republicans or Democrats to work with.
1:27:48But you also, on the other hand, you're in a good position to talk about this, about security.
1:27:57I think we'll have the Wednesday Senators see you after the next troop withdrawal announcement, don't you think?
1:28:04Wait a little while for that.
1:28:04It's inappropriate, isn't it?
1:28:07No, no, wait a little while.
1:28:10They're, uh, they're basically, uh, they're all just...
1:28:15They're all, they're all an employee of the school, you know.
1:28:18We have a Chinese attack in town.
1:28:19What if the... We don't understand it.
1:28:21I understand it.
1:28:22They're basically people that, that, that drank the urine.
1:28:26You really get down into them.
1:28:28They are people that lack the strength to face reality.
1:28:35And so they lack the luxury of, you know, I know them all.
1:28:39They won't be all right.
1:28:45Chuck Percy is planning to use your reorganization plan as his principal vehicle for relaxation.
1:28:56I don't think he's going to be able to move the organization in.
1:28:58He's going to get many people having orgasms over that.
1:29:01I don't think he is, but we'll hope so.
1:29:06It may be that Chuck is the last guy to take these countries.
1:29:14At least that's good for the monsters.
1:29:17Now I get the ones you've been talking about.
1:29:23They're talking about the war that we saw, the ones with the total control, but he's going to just say what's going to happen.
1:29:29And they are, they know it too.
1:29:33They know it too.
1:29:33They just have to speak into their audiences at home.
1:29:35They have to say the same fashionable thing.
1:29:40Well, we're not sure, and therefore we've got to be sure, and so therefore we're going to pass resolutions.
1:29:58The first one was a little water we bargained for in the morning.
1:30:02It was going to make a lot of money, but yeah.
1:30:09Yeah, well, I don't know so much.
1:30:11We tried to serve the company large as tight as we possibly could, but we couldn't get any food for anyone.
1:30:15We got mail that was never done.
1:30:16We got a head start on Dick.
1:30:18I don't know Dick, but I'll draw a piece.
1:30:19He's a delightful call.
1:30:20And he's usually for his Martin Carter comments.
1:30:28Well, I've been coming here on various schemes these days.
1:30:41I think we're making some progress.
1:31:05My name is Gregor.
1:31:20Yeah, true, yeah.
1:31:21He's gonna have to, he's been awfully good about it.
1:31:26I can't see every individual senator or congressman cry baby to the ones from the same class.
1:31:34But he's much better at that than anybody we've ever had.
1:31:38He doesn't believe you should see him, and that's what helps, thank God.
1:31:42I mean, he knows that he should only have so much .
1:31:48Bryce always took the route, which he honestly believed also.
1:31:52The more you saw him, the better off you'd be.
1:31:55And Clark doesn't really believe that.
1:31:58He knows.
1:31:59Well, he's right.
1:32:00Well, I'm just wondering if that worked for you or not.
1:32:10They might have called me to Camp David.
1:32:14They probably did.
1:32:17They probably did.
1:32:18Well, what are your, what are your, what are your, what are your, what are your, what are your, what are your, what are your,
1:32:39If it keeps going according to plan, I don't know whether it will, but Howard Baker yesterday gave a speech on the floor, announced in advance he was going to do it, in which he attacked me for side coverage, referred to the fact that there was a project underway in Manitoba.
1:32:59and called once again upon the media to make their tapes available to the Library of Congress, which of course they consistently refuse to do.
1:33:07His aim yesterday was to suck some of the Doves into defendant networks.
1:33:12They didn't do it.
1:33:15Today, we're repeating it, but we're having Baker, Brock, Colward, Dominick, and others pick up the same chant.
1:33:26I can't announce in advance that we're running this.
1:33:28We're trying to get a Governor in the county of Mansfield and others to come over to the Fender Networks at 3 o'clock tonight, this afternoon.
1:33:38Hopefully, if they've risen to the date, the Senators will invite all the Senators and all the press from the galleries from downtown.
1:33:50So tomorrow morning, I witness a continuous showing of CBS and NBC news broadcasts involving us for the three weeks preceding your press conference.
1:34:01We had reviewed this and made it available by selling it.
1:34:03We were good at it.
1:34:04Is it bad or not?
1:34:05Oh, it's great.
1:34:06There's no problem with that.
1:34:07No, it might have gone well from there, but I don't think it's bad or not.
1:34:10Now, there's no question about it.
1:34:12We could have done it today, but we'd like to try to trap these guys into rising to the defense so far to heaven.
1:34:18It may not.
1:34:20We may even put it off until the first of next week in the hopes that we can get them to defend it.
1:34:26Because it's not going to take it by itself.
1:34:29It doesn't have to be any editorial.
1:34:30It doesn't have to be anyone else.
1:34:33The case is very well made.
1:34:34Like I said, you can watch a continuous reel of what the news coverage has been of the past three weeks.
1:34:41The fundamental head of the shop is on the networks.
1:34:45Yeah.
1:34:45Because once they know that
1:34:48any time we want to have their coverage down in Cambridgeshire, which they don't know at the moment.
1:34:57I think it's got to have something that could be effective.
1:35:01At least we'll be able to edit it.
1:35:02Totally make it full.
1:35:03Yeah.
1:35:04We're just taking all of the war coverage and splicing it together.
1:35:09You know, it runs...
1:35:12Fast thing, it runs two and a half out of ten and it'd be safe for a full week period.
1:35:17Sure.
1:35:18And it's likely what they're gonna need to come before the elections run out.
1:35:21They're very clever and they have some impact.
1:35:24The whole, the whole game if we, if this thing can be escalated into enough of an issue is to shift the burden of credibility, credibility issue, credibility gap issue, shift it over to their corner instead of ours.
1:35:42And if you get a lot of credibility, yeah, they should certainly continue to exist a lot here.
1:35:48You always have it.
1:35:49Nobody ever believes in it.
1:35:51A lot of people don't believe that a lot of it should be disclosed.
1:35:53And there are certain orders involved.
1:35:56But I've got to remember, too, that people, as people's concern about the war and what the damn thing over there arises with the credibility of it, right?
1:36:06So we just have to live through it.
1:36:09and remember that it will wash out as we move on.
1:36:12That's all there is to it.
1:36:14But, on the other hand, I believe that we demonstrated when we took them on November 3rd, you know, on Agnew Day, after that, that you can fix the issue.
1:36:24And I don't think you can do it to the same extent now you could then, because you're a year further into the war.
1:36:32People are a lot more tired of it.
1:36:34And so they, on the other hand, it's worth trying.
1:36:39I think it's, also I think it's worth trying to understand why they keep the numbers.
1:36:43You know, we think it was CBS on Dan Shore.
1:36:46I just can't figure out the crap.
1:36:47This is a goddamn lie.
1:36:49There was no such thing.
1:36:51I mean, of any kind.
1:36:53Following your first answer, Mr. President, instead of the networks reacting as they first thought they were going to,
1:37:07and the coverage this week on the war.
1:37:10Admittedly, there's been better news with the report, but the coverage on the war has been very, very different than it was before.
1:37:17These both things have made it back to the CNBC last night.
1:37:20Yeah.
1:37:21Because this is incredible.
1:37:22The good news is that Brent Lee comes on this while we, you know, in just a couple seconds with no film or backup, he said we quickly record some of the good news.
1:37:32But then there's still a problem.
1:37:35And they go into a long fell thing on that Cambodian oil refinery, which is, what, a week or ten days older than that.
1:37:42And this has been a terrible setback because we've lost all those oil refineries.
1:37:49Seventy percent of the other, remember, there will be other battles, too, in which the networks will be spread to seize them all.
1:37:54That's our real problem.
1:37:56The real problem, the real answer, we have to remember, too, is long range.
1:38:00Yet, fight it day by day.
1:38:02I think this next year, really, how is the morale, basically?
1:38:06of your people you know we have to remember you know the uh the i noticed that dan brandon was being kicked as well that we had the press conference because the whole wasn't going down or something and then the other thing that somebody said here today and said that i
1:38:23Now, I want you to be sure to cover this, Bob, with regard to sex holders.
1:38:26I had an interview with Slope, called him up and had him come over and had an interview.
1:38:30I made the deal three months ago.
1:38:32Slope heard you were about to say he was going to be in this contractor this week and couldn't see the president.
1:38:37I've seen him here for about eight years.
1:38:41Yeah.
1:38:41Yeah.
1:38:42Yeah.
1:38:43That'd be good to know.
1:38:44But, uh, should he?
1:38:46Sure.
1:38:46I just, uh, I have a feeling that sometimes that, uh, well, the mayor can't help it.
1:38:53We gave our executives a good shift.
1:38:55They had a good time here.
1:38:57And they had nothing to complain about.
1:38:59They got the message.
1:39:01No, from a dollars and cents standpoint, which basically these folks care about, it's what they care about, this group.
1:39:08They heard what they wanted to hear.
1:39:11Yeah.
1:39:12And I wasn't any, and it's no use for me to go, I didn't pick with Bailey and Stan and argue about it.
1:39:21Did you think so?
1:39:21No, you gave them a number of opportunities to raise it.
1:39:23They wouldn't go if they didn't.
1:39:26And they wouldn't?
1:39:27They wouldn't rise from the bay.
1:39:32You could see he was the boss in that game.
1:39:34I could see he's much stronger than any of them.
1:39:37I didn't realize that for the years.
1:39:38I had the same experience.
1:39:40I can see why he's the number one guy.
1:39:45It was worth doing, don't you think?
1:39:47Absolutely.
1:39:47My own feeling is that when we built the truck up, I just said, you steal it in.
1:39:53That was scary.
1:39:54When we walked into the road, Stan said to me, how soon can I get rid of it?
1:40:00He said I got equal time for all the rest.
1:40:02And I expected that he would treat us with the same fairness he treated us with when we were out of power.
1:40:08He said that.
1:40:09What the President said that does the most devastating to that thing is dull.
1:40:14And he also, he said, the President made it funny.
1:40:18He said, Chuck knows this area hand.
1:40:21Chuck is a lawyer.
1:40:23And I could see, I could see Stan in his personal language, he said,
1:40:28But that's exactly the right way to put it.
1:40:30But I also told them we would stand with them on their private enterprise attitude.
1:40:34We would stand with them against the tentative nuts to come in and insist on equal time on advertising.
1:40:40And we would stand with them against stability for the .
1:40:42So we're not going to be with them on self-detection.
1:40:48So if you have any questions, what we've done too now with the NBC, I don't know if I'm good at that.
1:40:55Thank you, sir.
1:40:56I had a fascinating meeting yesterday with Mr. President, but I had no chance to go even till the left of Blue Paris.
1:41:04Oh, I'm the art here, up in New York.
1:41:08I didn't want to have this particular meeting here, but he finally made his proposition to us.
1:41:14I'm sorry, Mr. President.
1:41:15No.
1:41:18and asked to see me, and I decided if he wanted to make a deal, but I didn't want it made here in the West, I wanted to see him in New York.
1:41:30And he didn't say anything that I could actually nail him with, but he made it pretty damn clear.
1:41:35He started a conversation with me saying, you know, since you both have been in the office, you haven't had a good time.
1:41:40I had a single job in the family.
1:41:42And he...
1:41:46He said, you know, it's going to change your hair a little bit.
1:41:48And I said, gee, that's a coincidence, obviously.
1:41:53And then he said, I've been thinking about going into the business, doing a little political research, he said.
1:41:59And this may fool you, or this may surprise you, but I really agree with the President on those things.
1:42:03I think he's heading in the right direction in this country.
1:42:07And he said, I'm just disarming my hand.
1:42:09He's bold, isn't he?
1:42:10He can be bold.
1:42:12We can buy.
1:42:14Dermot cleared from that meeting yesterday.
1:42:17Well, my view, Bob, is if we don't get a thing, maybe we don't buy anything out of Water City except an active poll.
1:42:27We continue to do that.
1:42:29But do you remember what I have said?
1:42:30I said, let's serve the field of California with Lou Harris.
1:42:34Remember, I wrote a memorandum to you six months ago, and I said, have Finch talk to Harris.
1:42:38This was before you were working on it.
1:42:40And let's see what we can get him to do some coding for us.
1:42:43I agree with him.
1:42:45But not what I would like to bring you to do.
1:42:47The main thing about Harris is this.
1:42:50He's a smart little son of a bitch.
1:42:53He does do polling in depth better than ORC.
1:42:56His questions are better.
1:42:58No, they're not.
1:42:59They are wrong.
1:43:00What he does are better than Gallup.
1:43:03His questions are better.
1:43:04His answers are worse.
1:43:05He does better than Bob.
1:43:06You look at his questions compared to Gallup.
1:43:09That was Gallup.
1:43:10Gallup was built in there.
1:43:12Well, I have a debt that Harris does.
1:43:14I spent two hours on it.
1:43:16I don't care if it's true or not.
1:43:19Gallup is more fair.
1:43:21And Harris will load it.
1:43:24But Harris is smart.
1:43:25Harris has the, what he does is screen out things afterwards.
1:43:30Now, for example, he explained yesterday that the reason that I finally found this out, the basic reason that he is always different from Gallup is that he goes in a tender-sit and he grew up in a particular block.
1:43:42Gallop goes in six because only six because it's all my fault.
1:43:46Gallop goes voters and Harris goes popular.
1:43:50That's a matter of how he wants to do it.
1:43:53Did Harris indicate the degree of friendship in the event that we wanted to play ball?
1:43:59He never said, here's my age, but he did.
1:44:01But your message came through very, very quickly.
1:44:04All right, make the date.
1:44:06And that's been due and it's worth a hell of a lot of attention to us.
1:44:11Hell of a lot of money.
1:44:13Let's see what he would like to do.
1:44:14When Harris is, when Harris is, and he is a, he is a clever little bastard, I dislike him, but he's, that's all right.
1:44:21He takes one poll, and he makes six different press releases.
1:44:25I know, it says Gallup.
1:44:26Gallup, let's do it with Harris.
1:44:29Gallup, that's Bob.
1:44:29Harris, a little bit more.
1:44:31Harris, we're running for a month.
1:44:32Oh, yeah, and he, and he, yeah, he never gives a date, so we're going to have to go with Gallup.
1:44:36And it's very honest.
1:44:37And Gallup is very honest about the second I took it.
1:44:40Then, then, then, then, then.
1:44:45negative interpretation in his copy.
1:44:48It's the worst one he's ever done.
1:44:51And he gave it to me before it was sent out.
1:44:53I think if I'd said to him yesterday, let's throw some turkey in the wood, it might not have gone out.
1:44:59But we're not ready for that.
1:45:01It's gonna take a little period to work into the wood.
1:45:06You got some time to switch?
1:52:21What we have to do, of course, is to keep our heads and remember that we've got some things going for us this year that didn't last.
1:52:28We've got an economy that at least is moving up and not down, maybe not as fast as we want.
1:52:33We're not going to start off with a 900 and say, yeah, and we have a pretty close to 900.
1:52:38But beyond that, we've got a war that we know now is going to be coming.
1:52:43Now how, God knows how, but we're going to exploit that for all it's worth.
1:52:51One of the reasons why is, I still don't think we can bank on that very much except maybe, but I understand, I understand what I mean.
1:52:54But I mean, I mean in terms of the drop in the polls, it was slowly in the poll.
1:53:08the economy.
1:53:08Do you recall?
1:53:10Sure.
1:53:11We got 10 points in the polls last year in February and March.
1:53:14The only thing was the economy.
1:53:16Remember, it was before Cambodia.
1:53:18Before Cambodia.
1:53:19And then Cambodia has backed up.
1:53:21Now, the one dish here is due solely to Laos for three weeks of pounding on Laos, right?
1:53:27Now, my point is that...
1:53:30As Laos becomes a non-issue, as it becomes a non-issue within a month, then the economy takes over.
1:53:38Then the economy takes over.
1:53:40Then the economy continues to bubble along, and then our domestic perverts and then other things.
1:53:44Personality, a lot of other things.
1:53:46I'll add a few other points.
1:53:48Yeah, we might have some initiatives.
1:53:49You see, that is our problem.
1:53:51Just look at, for example, the reaction we get to a...
1:53:55One little story with the side solstice.
1:53:57I mean, I agree with Steve.
1:53:58About three months ago, probably, we gave an interview, talking about these and so forth.
1:54:03So everybody's, you know, Steve, and all I could go about, well, that's good.
1:54:07And there's a lot of reaction.
1:54:09You'll get a lot of reaction here, Steve.
1:54:13I mean, the point is, every sophisticated person knows that with no beer, that no beer ain't sure it's going to be another war.
1:54:20And a couple of the next to die.
1:54:22Yes.
1:54:23Those are good things to stick it out there.
1:54:27Absolutely.
1:54:27And I think that the network coverage last night, at least I didn't see it every evening, is great.
1:54:32Thank you.
1:55:02All set.
1:55:03We've been able to say that we're going to return flight.
1:55:05Great.
1:55:06Uh, you are going to have to just bridge them directly.
1:55:09I will give you these copies.
1:55:10Great.
1:55:10Okay.
1:55:10Great.
1:55:10Thank you.
1:55:12Have a good one.
1:55:14All right.
1:55:15Get ready.
1:55:16I'm going to hold it here.
1:55:16Okay.
1:55:19All right.

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