{"conversationCode":"466-013","tapeNumber":466,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-466-013","startDateTime":"1971-03-11T21:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-03-11T22:18:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Mar-1971","startTime":"4:55 PM","endDate":"11-Mar-1971","endTime":"5:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Sanchez, Manolo; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On March 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Manolo Sanchez, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:55 pm and 5:18 pm. 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(Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s birthday\n                      -First Ladies\n                      -Women in politics\n          -Release of transcript to other women reporters\n          -A book [?]\n          -Setting up of equipment\n\nManolo Sanchez and unknown people [technicians] entered at an unknown time after 4:55 pm\n\n     [Unintelligible]\n\nSanchez left at an unknown time before 5:18 pm\n\n     President’s forthcoming interview with women journalists\n          -Setting up of equipment\n\nThe President and Ziegler left at an unknown time before 5:18 pm\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Non-historical]\n[Duration: 3m 45s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nThe unknown people [technicians] left at an unknown time before 5:18 pm","filename":["466-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:25:41","tapeEnd":"04:32:38","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Sanchez, Manolo","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"466-012","nextCode":"466-014","transcript":[{"start":1.63,"end":12.28,"text":"All right."},{"start":12.3,"end":13.11,"text":"Please set up your mics to be preferred."},{"start":13.13,"end":14.61,"text":"Like I said, you can prefer to go in your smaller office or a longer room."},{"start":14.63,"end":15.11,"text":"What do they have to do?"},{"start":15.13,"end":16.52,"text":"Do you set up for a team or do they just want to go into the mics?"},{"start":16.54,"end":16.86,"text":"Don't put a mic."},{"start":16.88,"end":17.3,"text":"Don't put a mic down."},{"start":17.28,"end":29.17,"text":"which will not be very big at all."},{"start":29.19,"end":37.26,"text":"There won't be, you'll be able to see them, but they won't be, with all the people in here, they will be overbearing in the rain."},{"start":37.28,"end":38.26,"text":"There'll be no one else in here, except you."},{"start":38.3,"end":39.61,"text":"Now, we made it very clear."},{"start":39.59,"end":58.59,"text":"They are Mrs. Nixon in relation to her birthday."},{"start":58.61,"end":58.71,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":58.73,"end":59.49,"text":"First ladies, first ladies, gentlemen."},{"start":59.51,"end":59.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":61.47,"end":62.92,"text":"Women and politics."},{"start":62.94,"end":64.24,"text":"No, nothing else."},{"start":64.26,"end":64.82,"text":"Nothing else, just politics."},{"start":64.84,"end":66.74,"text":"Well, you bring that in, we're not telling them that."},{"start":66.76,"end":67.14,"text":"I mean, first lady."},{"start":67.16,"end":67.64,"text":"I think it's first lady."},{"start":67.66,"end":68.78,"text":"I think it's rule since we are not."},{"start":68.76,"end":77.54,"text":"Are they very interested in doing that?"},{"start":77.56,"end":78.18,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":78.2,"end":81.7,"text":"They're all excited."},{"start":81.72,"end":84.95,"text":"Now, what we're doing is I mentioned to you before, and this is why I've covered that, but we will release a package to the other women that are coming on board."},{"start":84.97,"end":86.23,"text":"So that the other women... Well, other women are recording."},{"start":91.26,"end":108.71,"text":"I was going to say that"},{"start":133.24,"end":146.51,"text":"I'm very comfortable in this car, having some stuff in here, of course."},{"start":146.53,"end":152.52,"text":"If you understand what I'm saying to me, I can take care of all the, well, you know what I'm talking about."},{"start":168.21,"end":177.82,"text":"I got one there and one here."},{"start":178.28,"end":178.82,"text":"Whatever."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met with technicians to coordinate the logistics for an upcoming interview with women journalists. The participants established strict ground rules for the session, limiting discussion topics to Pat Nixon’s birthday, the role of First Ladies, and women in politics. They also determined the technical setup for the interview and planned for the distribution of the transcript to journalists who were not in attendance.","topics":["Media relations","Pat Nixon","Public relations","Journalism","White House logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T21:17:21.642Z"},"topicSlugs":["media-relations","pat-nixon","public-relations","journalism","white-house-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":409,"audioFiles":[{"file":"466-013.mp3","bytes":9824756,"durationSec":409.31,"bitrate":192024,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.663Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:45.483Z","transcriptGapSeconds":36,"transcriptGapShare":0.09,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/466-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/466-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/466/conversation-466-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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