{"conversationCode":"470-012","tapeNumber":470,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-470-012","startDateTime":"1971-03-19T17:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-03-19T17:35:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Mar-1971","startTime":"12:33 PM","endDate":"19-Mar-1971","endTime":"12:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Timmons, William E.;","description":"On March 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:33 pm to 12:35 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 470-012 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 470-12\n\nDate: March 19, 1971\nTime: 12:33 pm - 12:35 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with William E. Timmons\n\n     Supersonic Transport [SST]\n          -White House lobbying in Congress\n          -Vote in House\n          -Senate vote\n               -Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson, Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson\n               -Prospects","filename":["470-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:07:48","tapeEnd":"03:10:32","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"470-011","nextCode":"470-013","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":4.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.86,"end":5.4,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6.84,"end":7.82,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":8.32,"end":16.71,"text":"I want you to know that I don't want your goals to get down on Carter because of that SST thing."},{"start":16.73,"end":19.64,"text":"You put on a good fight, and I just take it on the ground."},{"start":19.66,"end":22.16,"text":"Well, this is the first round."},{"start":22.18,"end":28.77,"text":"There's a chance that Maggie and Jackson should probably just make a hell of a fight now in the Senate."},{"start":28.79,"end":29.55,"text":"There's a chance over there, huh?"},{"start":38.39,"end":56.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":56.67,"end":63.24,"text":"Yeah, yeah, he's on the payroll."},{"start":63.26,"end":63.36,"text":"Sure."},{"start":63.38,"end":64.24,"text":"Well, particularly when he doesn't come up."},{"start":64.26,"end":65.75,"text":"He doesn't see ought to be with the administration on something like this."},{"start":83.83,"end":95.44,"text":"Yeah, yeah, sure."},{"start":95.46,"end":95.8,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and William E. Timmons discussed the administration's legislative strategy for the Supersonic Transport (SST) project following a setback in the House. Nixon encouraged Timmons to remain optimistic and directed him to push for a vigorous defense of the program in the Senate. They specifically assessed the likelihood of securing support from Senators Warren G. Magnuson and Henry M. Jackson to revive the initiative.","topics":["Supersonic Transport","SST","Congressional lobbying","Legislative strategy","Warren G. Magnuson","Henry M. Jackson"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T21:26:31.501Z"},"topicSlugs":["supersonic-transport","sst","congressional-lobbying","legislative-strategy","warren-g-magnuson","henry-m-jackson"],"audioDurationSec":103,"audioFiles":[{"file":"470-012.mp3","bytes":2480795,"durationSec":103.3,"bitrate":192119,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.663Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/470-012.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/470-012","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/470/conversation-470-012","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}