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Start Date: 19-Mar-1971 7:03 PM

End Date: 19-Mar-1971 7:27 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:01:39

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:25:16

471-002.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 7:03 pm to 7:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 471-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 471-2

Date: March 19, 1971
Time: 7:03 pm - 7:27 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger

     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawal
               -President’s conversation with William P. Rogers
                     -Forthcoming announcement
                     -Kissinger’s previous conversation with Rogers
                     -Forthcoming announcement
                     -Number
                     -Forthcoming announcement
               -Effect on South Vietnamese
               -Timing
                     -Figures
               -General Nguyen Van Thieu
               -Timing
                     -Number
               -Rogers
               -Melvin R. Laird
               -Potential problems
                     -Laird
                     -General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
                           -Ellsworth F. Bunker
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 9/08)



                  -Timing of announcement
                  -Laird


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]                                                       Conv. No. 471-2 (cont.)
[Duration: 6s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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                  -Abrams and Bunker
             -Kissinger’s schedule
                  -President’s forthcoming trip to California
             -Support for President’s position
                  -Rogers
                  -Abrams, Laird, and Bunker
                  -Rogers
             -Possible press story
             -Bunker
             -Laird


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Privacy]
[Duration: 33s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 9/08)



              -Laird’s position
                   -Number
                         -Compared with White House position
              -Number
                   -Timing of withdrawal
                   -President’s goal
              -Laird
              -Bunker                                          Conv. No. 471-2 (cont.)
                   -Abrams
                   -Thieu
              -Admiral Thomas H. Moorer


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Privacy]
[Duration: 6s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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         -Air strikes
               -Kissinger’s dissatisfaction
               -President
               -Moorer
               -Trucks
                     -Lack of visibility
               -Timing
         -Troop withdrawal
               -Rogers’s view
                     -Laotian operation (Lam Son)
         -Laotian operation (Lam Son)
               -Possible speech by President
                     -Effect on North Vietnamese Army
                          -Supplies
                          -Sihanoukville [Kompong Som]
               -Army of the Republic of Vietnam [ARVN]
                     -Withdrawal
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 9/08)



          -Effect on North Vietnamese Army
                -Kissinger’s analysis
                      -Supplies
          -Forthcoming withdrawal announcement
     -Possible speech by President
          -Laotian operation (Lam Son) success
          -Forthcoming troop withdrawal
                -Number                                  Conv. No. 471-2 (cont.)
                      -Timing
                -President’s position
          -Thieu
     -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
     -US objectives
          -Public opinion
                -North Vietnam
     -Troop withdrawals
          -Number
          -Timing
          -Effect on South Vietnam
                -Kissinger’s view
     -Negotiations with North Vietnam
          -Effect of troop withdrawals
          -Timing
     -Lieutenant General Vernon A. Walters
     -Laos operation
          -Effect on North Vietnamese Army
                -Compared with Dien Bien Phu
     -North Vietnamese supplies
          -Soviet Union
          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -Effect of Sino-Soviet split

Soviet Union and PRC relations
     -Public pronouncements

Communist world
   -President’s view
   -Kissinger’s view
   -Poland
         -Riots
   -Aleksei N. Kosygin’s visit to North Vietnam
         -Ho Chi Minh’s funeral
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 9/08)



Vietnam
     -Possible negotiations
          -President’s view
          -Troop withdrawals
          -Return of Prisoners of War [POWs]
     -Troop withdrawals
          -Possible effects
                -US prestige                                    Conv. No. 471-2 (cont.)
                -Public opinion
                -Forthcoming Presidential election
     -US Air Force
          -Need for strikes
                -Trucks
          -Equipment

President’s schedule
     -Camp David

President’s forthcoming speech
     -Laos operation (Lam Son)
     -Middle East
           -Rogers’ statement
                 -Problems
           -Arabs
     -Laos operation (Lam Son)
           -ARVN troop withdrawal
           -Howard K. Smith’s forthcoming interview with the President
                 -ARVN success
                 -Effect on future negotiations
                 -Effect on North Vietnamese Army
                      -Supplies
                             -Compared with previous years
                 -Forthcoming Presidential speech
                      -Troop withdrawals

Vietnam
     -Troop withdrawals
          -Timing of announcement
               -Peace demonstrations
               -Kissinger’s view
          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -Rogers
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 9/08)



                -Possible lack of announcement
           -Events
                -President’s November 3, 1969 Speech
                -Demonstrations
                -Cambodia, Laos
           -Laos operation (Lam Son)
                -Media coverage
                      -Future debates                              Conv. No. 471-2 (cont.)
                -Senate
                -President’s forthcoming interview with Smith
                -President’s forthcoming speech
                      -Effect on North Vietnamese
                            -Supplies
                            -Casualties
                            -Supplies
                -Kissinger’s conversation with Henry Hubbard
                      -Effect on North Vietnamese troops
                            -Supplies
                                   -Food
                                   -Ammunition
                            -Sihanoukville [Kompong Som], Cambodia
                -Compared with German offensives in 1918
                      -Effect on ammunition and supplies
                -Results
                      -Objectives achieved
                            -President’s assessment
                            -Kissinger’s assessment
                -Effect on media coverage
                -Possible losses of ARVN forces
                      -Compared with North Vietnamese losses
                -Objectives
                -President’s forthcoming speech
                      -Justification for ARVN withdrawal

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -Camp David

Kissinger left at 7:27 pm
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 9/08)