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I held the building as a school class.

And now this guy has a speaker in one of the rooms in the city.

So I just recommend that you just turn it on.

That's it.

Well, let's see if you can go .

And they've done it, they've been spreading it this pretty much and they've done this in some very good way.

I will just send you copies of this.

That's all I have.

He said he's the greatest photographer in the world.

He is.

He's a student.

He's had so many movies.

They pay you that much and you're going to tag him in the post.

You know what I'm saying?

Both.

No, no, no.

I have pictures.

They went down.

I read the background of your paper that you presented.

They were very impressive.

I was very impressed by the first one, but also by its gravity.

I needed to get it all down so it was like a procession to the place that you called for it.

We've been talking, some of those points were, I thought, covered in the other meeting.

So one of the problems, frankly, is we're not doing a great job of sending information.

We get it fractioned out of these departments.

For example, they would like to know about draft, about deferment, and getting student loans, our whole program doesn't get out there.

You have the first of the problems about the problems that concern students individually, which is drives the draft for every student month.

And then other problems that concern issues, which is that's a different thing.

And then that would involve communication by representatives of government administration.

So let me talk to two of those points.

The first one, with regard to that, with regard to the, well,

With regard to what the individual student says, what about my problem with the governor?

Is he concerned about the draft?

Is he concerned about student loan?

He may be concerned about the government position.

What about the intern jobs before going into government?

I mean permanently for a car or for a car on a part-time basis.

It seems to me that that is certainly a responsibility that we have very heavily.

And it's one that has to be met.

And we have a whole

a whole group of speakers and so forth, people with good speakers and counselors and anything you want.

For example, one of the draftees, particularly people who went to our friend from California, who would be, I guess, in the end, a pretty good staff.

He said, you've got a lot of younger people who would be able to go ahead and handle that.

Well, and the indictment of our press mismatch that we inherited from the intern program, and now that turns these

We have 20,000 in this.

They don't like it.

Well, it's just an invisible experience.

They're down in the bowels and things running out of the machine.

I'm curious about this.

They like the Southern Hill.

That's different.

That's even more unstructured and in many cases more invisible.

One center has got 300 students.

That's on their end.

Well, actually, there is a place for 20,000 students.

the first question that can be very, very effective is used, which it does, but it has to be, it has to be,

Yeah, but there's a very sensitive problem, the problem of Congress, which of course is, as you mentioned, we can't speak for them, we can't advise them, but we've got a problem with the federal government.

Of course, the White House is doing pretty well here.

They have some very good assignments.

I don't know if the department's embarrassed us.

Well, the problem is that they, you know, they're a very good constituency, but the President's

One of our credibility problems with our group is that we didn't come as finished so in this proposal.

And as far as Congress met, we considered what we voted on, 20 pieces of student legislation.

And 63 other pieces were made out of committee.

But I see we've got a long session on how Congress works.

But we are also interested.

We would be very interested in undertaking that because it's an area which has students.

But we're also concerned about the policy decisions we have taken.

And this, we would lose all of our credibility with our student body presidents if we were to solely undertake the internship.

Well, I couldn't agree more.

Well, we were living at the NSA branch where they were being federally subsidized.

But the point is, if you ask the Duke,

does not exclude anything.

If you ask them to go out and do separate objective counting, that's even more legitimacy than if you're subsidized to do something that looks like you're .

But the broad difference in base in NSA is you're the one that's the .

You get one vote.

So therefore, you know, 6,000 students, 6 votes.

But this R base happens to be the student body president.

So because of the

because students are not on the streets, obviously they're not dissenting.

By our resolutions, we're hoping that we demonstrate that the students do still have strong feelings about our social issues, as well as we're trying to demonstrate this biggest problem of our credibility, that the system works, that students who are assistant people who function in student governments can come to Washington, can function, can get their views to be known in the administration.

Not just, you know, speaking to certain officials to get things through, but open accessibility at all times.

You don't have a departmental response to every single resolution you make.

You don't have a departmental response.

Those are like, you know, I can track you.

It's not just being here a little bit.

It's going, you know, it's all good.

I can track your obligations.

It involves a long range of .

We don't want to just tell you what we think because, you know, that's not that important.

And it's also being able to talk about , which is why we had the first conference which, you know,

And then our government is, you know, responsive and they can work and they're willing, we're willing to join it eventually when the time comes for them to take leadership.

having made three or four farms per day by camp, in regard to having record in Miranda, and I may not have sensed it all, but I would write it down as if it was category one.

There is the obvious problem of the relation of students to government, whether it's where government programs affect students.

And there, whether it's the draft and all the related problems there, we then just have to do a more effective job of getting information and responding to legitimate

I don't see any complaints or questions.

Second, there, related to that is the thing we mentioned a moment ago.

I understand there, I guess the number of people, and I know this is what he's studying and so forth,

It's about two to one, everybody's taking a look at science.

Well, of course, there's not that many who got the government jobs, and we know that most of them aren't going to look at science, sort of.

But nevertheless, it's an enormous interest.

Now, there, the inherent experience should be

That's the other end of the spectrum.

And there, I believe that .

We need your advice, but we ought to take responsibility.

I see that not only our job here in the White House is to make people do a pretty fair job, because of your leadership.

Everybody on that cabinet just ought to take responsibility.

It varies.

Some of the cabinet officers are awfully good at this.

The Japan decision secretary and somebody else did a good job.

Congress with the senators, that just depends on the Congress with the senators.

Some are superb and others don't care.

It must be terribly frustrating.

If you don't want to come, just take that trip to Washington.

Washington isn't all that nice in the summertime anyway.

in terms of, and this is very important, in terms of positions that students may go into, and this is very important for the government.

I think you all don't want to be able to tell us the track and we're involved in the matter of the services and so forth and so forth.

But I think the

There is a great need for government to find and to enlist people from the colleges and universities of the American government, not just in

what is in the Peace Corps of the S.J.

Center, which is now all kind of pulled together.

That's going to be a real breakthrough.

I met with them yesterday, where you can transfer from one to another.

Anybody that wants to take a couple of years, three years,

And say, go to a pizza car, a pizza car, a teacher car, so forth.

You move from one to the other.

And you have an experience.

And then you want to go into business or law or whatever it is.

But you make a choice.

That's all been sort of a montage.

Now it's going to be run in the direction of a very good man.

I think this is going to be a major improvement.

Then, in addition to those activities, however, which are considered sort of volunteer action, they're paid and paid very modestly.

Then there's just government service in general.

There is a very great opportunity for young people in government.

And here we must think not only of government at the federal level, but we'd like to work with government at the state and local level in view of our new revenue sharing reorganization proposals, because as those proposals

that we trust particularly in the Special Revenue Sheriff, as they become implemented, it will not only mean that local government and state government is going to have a lot more to say about what happens.

When they have more to say about what happens, then working, for example, the City Council of Bellevue, maybe something, whereas today, maybe you're just, you know, you're making a decision as to whether or not

The funds that you're getting for HEVs to go and convert to Renew or Model City, you're going to get the same amount of money you'd prefer for a Model City or a converter or a remover.

That's a very big deal, rather than having it made by somebody up here.

And this is something that's coming, and it's quite exciting for us.

The other thing, this is on the government.

Now, on the communications side,

communications of issues, if I can make one constructive suggestion.

I mean, many years ago, I was at the Kansas Bar Association, improving.

But nevertheless, I was.

But the point of that is this.

I would hope that if you could create a climate on any university and college campuses, all of them, where you would make it possible for people from the government, and by government, I'll speak about the federal government, I want to speak in a partnership, the administration as, for example, you've read and shared in all these other areas,

We've got hundreds and hundreds of cable speakers.

They can go in.

They don't sit down.

It doesn't take hours.

But they've got to come in.

I mean, it doesn't mean that they don't.

It's if it's heard a variety of heckles or anything like that.

But they've got to be listened to in other games.

Now, there was a time, unfortunately, I think, where passing didn't pass through.

We were passing through gradually.

And by the end of this year, maybe the beginning of the next year, calendar year, it will be, as people see, sort of the end of the economic problem.

We may pass through it, at least as far as that issue is concerned, exclusively, but nevertheless,

I think that, I think that, I think, I think many student, grade student populations are missing a wonderful opportunity to have people from government.

We send people off and about to our Rotary Clubs, the Chambers and Cotters.

to all kinds of organizations, by the hundreds, they would come to the college campuses.

They would come to the university campuses if they were invited.

They would come to small groups of all sorts.

As a matter of fact, I would advise that kind of guy, you know, a guy gets out there and somebody speaks up at these colleges and has a show.

That's all right, too.

That's what you have to do.

But I don't know about you, but you would get a cab of the officers,

You can get assistant secretaries.

You can get people at various levels, and they will do a very good job.

And it's a very exciting experience.

It really is.

And it adds to your profession.

I've got lots of professors, some pretty dull.

Now, some of these guttural people can be dull, too, but it's different.

And it adds to your whole experience to have a time of youth that open that up and just say, we've got it, but you've got to get that invited.

And also see to it that they receive, let me say, not simply an acquiescence in terms of their appearance.

For the appearance to mean anything.

It must have give and take.

It must have questions.

It must have debate and all that sort of thing.

But on the other hand, it must be somewhat orderly.

The third point that I expect too is that in a year I think I can speak for my colleagues in the House and Senate, Congressmen and Senators, that almost all of them, some will not be too bad, some will be older than some that the Senate can't enact.

I don't want to take it out there, but we've got a lot of them, both Democrats and Republicans, young Congressmen, they love them.

A lot of them do.

But I think that as I look over the experience, let's say, well, it perhaps began about 1967, about 1961, 7, all through 1970.

Of course, it's been around a period when many students

groups have missed opportunities that could have had their communication.

There was willingness on our part.

When I say our part, I'm speaking to me and I, and actually I have to code and secret service and all that jazz and so on.

He just couldn't let it go.

He went out and booed him off of a couple of cameras as well.

Can I make one point?

Maybe I'm really out of order and Mr. Benjamin can't hear me.

But, look, I'll pretend that you're different than you are from across the television.

One thing that's...

The important thing to remember is that invitations to come to the campuses, to come into what students would consider to be your med, and so that if you are popular on the campuses, or more popular, perhaps more invitations would stand.

Right now, not to be facetious, but the key question on the college campus, apart from what country we're in today, is how do we beat Jim?

It's hostile, and I'm very much excited.

We did get to Washington this summer.

But maybe we could just meet formally sometime to talk about the image.

Because it's very difficult.

I'm not a Republican.

I'm a Democrat.

That's the thing.

Like, you're our president.

You're our president.

We shouldn't attack you.

And I felt it.

I remember watching television one evening, and there was four guys in a snack bar.

This is Thomas Radcliffe speaking.

And he said, you know, well, I've always known the actions I keep to render cool.

My whole campus just sort of, you know, grown.

I think that, you know, not to be conceited, the class must have all the answers, but I think maybe we could help you understand, maybe how to come across better on the campuses, because you'll lose those in 72, unless... Well, my comment was, I think what Steve was trying to say is, due to the cumbersome job in your office,

someone in your, I guess, isolation because of what you mentioned.

I don't really know if students will be receptive and if they will ask administration officials to come, except for an adversary basis, because students don't feel that this administration is receptive and all it wants to do is, like what they felt happened in the P2P press conference,

came was to say, all right, here's how it is, and they didn't feel there was a dialogue.

And what we're, I think what Steve's trying to get across, and I'd like to too, is that we would like to, hopefully at some time, if you can become less isolated in the more free atmosphere, I think students would like to converse with you, because you do come across definitely differently.

Dialogue is no problem.

No planning questions.

That's the way to have it, you know.

And all of our people are going to do that.

I mean, nobody wants to screw me.

So, uh...

Your draft speech is great.

When I wrote that emergency story, I really can't begin to believe that the end of dialogue was possible.

Well, I, sorry, I got it right next to the council meeting, but I don't see, well, probably one point there.

The, I hope you, you know, you're free to stay here.

And it isn't too bad for the sun.

The air conditioning should have been here.

Thank you very much.

Bob, can you take the test group to the working that they, uh, show them around the office and they would like to see it.

This, uh, you need to replace this very first.

Well, it's been a while.

Thank you, Randall.

Who is he?

Washington.

Oh.

Yeah, I don't want to see you.

I don't want to see you, man.

Go ahead.

Have a seat here.

They're going to start you up.

They take the last man to the last man of the state.

This one was in the boy's house.

It's all right.

Well, it's the, uh, I was going to say in the boy's house.

It was not.

Oh, I didn't know.

Well, actually, uh, you could have normally placed gifts up here.