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This is Vaughn.

I was standing on the other side of the street.

He wants to go into lots of things about that I can't, we can't go into about this negotiation and so forth.

I can't tell him about it.

But Henry can tell you a few things and let it come out.

God, I work on it.

Any further recommendations in California?

Yeah, that's time to go.

What I did is I got- I didn't do it.

We can't let the weather decide something.

Okay, I got the fresh food back together.

Yeah.

And without the rest of the staff.

And they're basically- Yeah.

They feel strongly that if you go to California, you should go to the full period.

You should not go out with a plan to come back for a time.

That on balance, it would be substantially preferable for you to go to California than to stay here and then go to Florida.

I got into the congressional argument, the point that they feel very strongly that whatever you do, that's the last thing you should do.

you should not give yourself Congress is in, as it goes in its cycles, is in an extremely volatile that you trying to mobilize at this point

The purpose is not to mobilize support for legislation.

The purpose is to pick only our little hard core and stick with us when it is an involved move, see?

They're not, and that's the time to pay attention to them.

They're not when everybody else is coming along, see?

Their argument is just, and Bob Field takes it strongly, and John has been up on the Hill quite a bit, that if you try to work now, first, they agree that it must be done, that it should be done by Rucks, by McGregor, and the others, because they...

You're not going to get a positive reaction yet.

You've got to cycle out the negative reaction and you can let other people do that and then move on the positive side.

And they all feel that when you turn and start on the up cycle is the time to do it, not when you're in the middle of the down cycle.

And after the Easter recess, you will be on an up cycle.

They're always better off when they get away from here, and then when they come back, they always start leaving their teachers out.

They're probably, basically, they're flawed.

I think our reorganization, basically, they all do one thing.

We've given them hard work.

I've given them full-blown stuff, which has shown them how much our specific things have.

They're screwed up just because they're screwed up.

I mean, they've taken a lot of heat, and they haven't gotten themselves organized and untangled.

They've got the, in a sense, the terrible mess of the Democrats, of the jockey position.

Nobody knows who he was.

He was a truck driver, and it hurt a lot of people.

You know, Mike Hubert's got to, you know, went the wrong way as far as his strongest, I think, accord is.

So it's going to bother you for a while, this means that you're trying to make a decision.

It hurts a lot of people.

The ones that have to go against the government, the ones that won against the money, against the industry and that money.

I think the vote against the SSG in New Zealand is going to hurt more of those who voted against it before, even though the country is not popular in the country.

It won't hurt politically, it will hurt with the power.

The power was for the SSG.

I think it was, and the people were against it.

And these guys, in terms of what we call the media,

I wonder if we really get down to it.

I wouldn't have Schultz in such a game.

You see, that should really be his thing.

You've really got to get the politicians on that.

I've had McGregor in one.

I've had Finch in one.

I've had Bronson.

I've had Mitchell.

That's the kind of people to have.

Politicians now.

The point that I make is that the ones that do not have substantive problems particularly

early ones busy substantively.

He can't really think of this, shows us busy substantively.

Their judgment is good, but don't get them, I don't know how them to get involved in this sort of thing.

John, but John, I've never talked to John.

I've seen him personally.

I know he's, I, I, he's often, God damn it, he's, he's burdened.

This fellow's got a hell of a job.

But what I get, Matt, is,

I wonder if our own, if it does show that we, our own people, can respond to our talk that we have not been able to.

It's just part of the cycle.

They don't feel there's any, you know, it's not something that is uncomfortable.

It's just something that's where it is at the moment.

We've been through half a dozen of them in the last couple of years, and this is where it's at right now.

And like that Gallup poll, there's little signals like that only could make a difference.

Playing down on credibility drop and all that kind of stuff is, take your place, as I'm studying the whole thing, and I think that does have an effect.

Chuck, are you sure that as soon as the poll goes up, Chuck will tell you that you're high standing in the poll?

Because I told you that the Congress, and the Congress then must be true.

The polls have something to do with politicians.

They watch it and say, well, he's doing so well, or he's... Now, the Gallup poll next week will come in.

It will be a positive effect.

Probably, because they're trying to use it.

That's right.

And they look at it, but it's got to get around.

With the politicians, it's got to get around.

It won't be mentioned.

Anyway, I'm not going to be talking to people.

But the next time, if I were you, I'd be reading about it.

But their point also is that...

will give you flexibility to go over there and give us time to get some stuff set up for the latter part of the week.

And not try to do a lot in the first part of the week.

I think that's, especially now that we've stopped everything, if you do go and you can't, you've got to do the first time and then anything else you do would have to be the latter part of the week.

I think you're right.

in the view that you shouldn't go with the idea of running back.

If you go out and do what it's like, the only thing is, I think the speech is important, and I had no confidence in Henry or Sapphire to know that they could get it together.

So I want to write, I'll have to write this myself, it's going to be long, it has to be good, but can't you write it better?

I write better where I'm at, either in the EOB or Candidate, where I'm used to concentrating.

Did you study upstairs?

No, not there.

The study there is not the place.

I never worked well in a pleasant place.

I'd rather be in basically an office.

But it's all right.

You know what I mean?

A place where...

But I can do it if I have to.

I'm going to Florida.

I'm coming back to see him, doing the speech.

It's pretty tight up in this California thing.

If we were going to go away, we should go to Florida.

The weather is good.

I am very honest with you.

You won't go to Palm Springs, is it?

Oh, I'm not going to Palm Springs.

I don't mind that.

I don't want to stay around the house there.

It's buzzing for a couple of days.

But I don't think I want to do anything a lot out there.

I'd rather go and see Sam Boat on Saturday and wait in the waiting.

Because the end of the day, I don't know what I'm going to do.

I don't have anything else to do.

Just go over and see him on Saturday.

Give him federal freedom.

That's the best present you're gonna have in California, actually, until it's happy morning.

Get ready for the press conference.

Do it on Tuesday, not Wednesday.

I think it'll draw my mind.

In other words, we'll do it that Monday, and do the press conference at two.

And also, I'm really ready for it anyway, because if I venture to send that, I've got most of it.

I've got a lot of subjects in my mind and I've got a few more that are bucked in.

I don't want to have too much time if you're going to do one of these things.

I don't want us not doing anything Monday.

Let's wait and work Monday on the press conference and have it on Tuesday.

Do the Goldman thing.

I think the Goldman thing has a nice touch.

Do it Saturday and then Monday.

Might be just say we're working.

I mean, so one day you don't have a story, but Tuesday you hit them with the press.

And then Wednesday, do something that's quite a quadriad or something like that that you don't have to work at.

But then, well, see, the advantage of that is then, but I think it's good that we ought to do something that gets economy out there.

And then banking into the West Coast power structure ahead.

And also the thought of getting suffrage, possibly out there.

then doing some thing on the aerospace problems and all that kind of stuff, and reporting back to you.

There's things that can make it look like stuff is happening.

I've got a few personal comments on it being very important.

Of course, people are terribly concerned about out there.

And our focus ought to be either on out there, I agree, right?

Because the next week will be a war.

The next week will be a war.

And then you realize, you make that war thing, and we're going to be on domestic like hell because there's going to be no war starts for a whole long time.

It's going to cool it for months.

Months.

Some advantage, some disadvantage.

That's right.

That's probably what we have to do.

We have to go back to finding other programs and stuff.

Yeah, better than that somewhere.

Yeah.

And also, frankly, making a little more of what we have done.

We've done quite a bit.

I need my help to get you out there and then just have you sit there.

Don't worry about him.

No, in this case, I'll be working on speech and so forth.

I would just assume, frankly, this instance, I would just assume not have Henry go for a bottom line.

It would be hard for this.

I mean, I want to be moving by myself.

Is that, is he sort of got his mind set on going out on the job?

It may not be any problem to undo it, and I don't think that he and Mel on the arrest spot ought to be here, you know, doing their little, I don't think they're able to do that.

Here's a good, goddamn good time to handle the Congress and the press and the rest, and then come out.

Maybe about Wednesday, you see what I mean?

I gave him a speech for it, Doug, and said, you know, when you go to the press conference, he goes, stay here and work with Buchanan on that.

You're going to send those out Sunday.

Oh, are they?

Well, you have to if you're going to get there on Sunday evening.

I would like to have a Sunday night.

Well, we'll come back to it.

Yeah, that's right.

Sunday night's fine.

That's plenty of time.

I know.

Plenty of time.

Day and a half.

But you have to have that.

Well, I mean, I agree you're quite, I agree you're quite frankly disappointed in that store.

I think we better drop the ball and let us out on that.

Okay, it was not necessary.

It's basically bizarre.

I'm not sure it's nearly as dropped as this.

Well, I think that the deal is, I don't know, but they confirm that there is discontent.

Yeah.

But it is, in general, it's just like they were at the end of the session last year when they were frustrated with themselves.

Yeah.

I didn't get the end of that charter.

That would have been just terrible.

That's exactly it.

And that's John and Rumsfeld.

All of them say that just stay away from the time.

When they're in this mood, the best thing to do is just let them ride it out.

Let the other guys work on it.

Carry on getting all the stuff undone.

In terms of my allies, I really think that we've been getting across some very good, you know, I mean, I miss them.

They have to be, I mean, leaders may not have waited in horror in the SS state, I'll never forget it.

That's what they need to hear.

They need to know, you know, they need to know where the leadership is, even though they go next to, particularly those five out of nine who go to Texas in the House.

So, uh, the, uh,

I find that that's about the best thing for me to do.

That's why I'm like, this Mickey Mouse shit, you'd probably be knocked off.

I really have a feeling that, because I live it over, and I'm going over to see these little publishers.

So it was nice.

Boy, when I met Schroeder, I was shaking hands, and we were all just friends.

Yeah, but that's, there are times when I'm not so sure that's bad.

Well, I don't know.

Every time I try to say knock off Mickey Mouse, I would not know what to knock off.

And yet, I have looked at all the knock offs.

I think you should realize that we've got to realize that even though it's all been hard work for me, the best thing I can do is just make all the interviews that are covered in television and stuff, covered on television,

I wondered if, incidentally, if he wouldn't mind, see if he'd go on a trip to California before he couldn't come back.

I'd see him on a plane.

He may be going anyway.

All right.

We'll check to see what his situation is.

Yeah.

If he's going to California, the president will come.

Yeah.

And if not...

And tell them that I got boxed in with some editors here.

And if not, that I'll arrange the time to the right of the time.

No, or during the rush season?

What's the situation tomorrow?

Well, you can get up to about lunch and sleep and get back.

Well, if tomorrow is clear.

Well, I'd like to get some sleep in.

Well, I'm going to get out of the way.

I know.

What is the situation tomorrow?

I guess it's wonderful to see her after years of the up-to-date.

Well, yeah, I'd be fine.

I wouldn't be involved.

I've got to see her.

All right.

Valid board box or reference cabinet meeting.

I don't know.

So you can do it tomorrow if you want to.

Wow, I just wondered if you don't want to wait till you get back.

No, I have no problem about that.

I just don't see any of this.

Sometimes before I leave, I've got to

That's three o'clock.

Here he goes.

I'll holler at him.

It definitely didn't take very long.

It really might have been the same kind of way that Frank is going out to California.

And it's so obvious that I'm not going to give you some time on the plane.

And that's about it.

I'm guessing it's going on.

I'm guessing you're getting time on the plane.

So you'll check it out, right?

If you didn't go back, let me know.

If he doesn't, I'll arrange some time tomorrow.

Maybe.

I don't know.

I think what I mean is that we may give them impossible tasks.

We may give them a sense of pride in ourselves.

We may give them the all-sweet of our program now for the first time in this century.

Since Theodore Roosevelt, the Republicans have got a program.

For the first time since Theodore Roosevelt.

And the bastards are squealing and screaming and squirreling around about, you know, the Moth Farmers.

Huh.

Mr. Jones, it's TR.

30 Cent.

I'll take a piece, thank you.

You know, several of us.

Yes, please.

I was going to ask you something.

Sorry, I'm afraid we should take a second.

Mr. Vandenberg would prefer to .

He isn't going to California.

He would, of course, for the purposes of the interview, be able to look at you.

I just think we're going to move on to something else.

We've got to tie it up right now.

I didn't want you to wait any longer because I'm sorry to explain.

I'm working on the time now.

Wait a minute, don't give it to him.

What the hell, I could do it with a second.

Is that now on the pass?

I tell him that ain't gonna take, that ain't gonna take an hour.

He can't take an hour.

He could do it before o'clock if he don't want it done before the end.

Black.

Black means not a man.

Say it for me.

You don't have anything else between the central and the back?

Well, the problem is I want to spend some time with Mitchell after the conference meeting.

Well, there's nothing specific.

John doesn't have anything specific that you want me to keep.

I don't see what it says here.

All right.

Tell us.

We'll be back.

We'll be around the sack.

John is suggesting that you have a briefing with McGregor and Browns before this meeting today.

Yeah.

Which I think you probably should.

Sure.

How this is going to have quite an effect.

Sure.

All right.

But that's all right.

I don't care whether they're going to be good or not.

I just have to.

Diggs is going to drop.

I'm going to go around.

I'm going to shake their hand.

Listen, it's going to be nice.

And then they've got papers they've done.

I was just thinking, you know, how their quality of student money persons has changed.

I wasn't very inspired by what you want.

But I don't know.

I don't know.

But I...

I'm just saying .

And it isn't because I'm thinking back to the time, because I know what I didn't have or didn't have.

Wasn't one of those kids, when they had a prayer meeting, likely sued by the president later in college.

Not one.

We had a half dozen for better than these kids.

They were, you know, their main problem is basically an almost hopeless immaturity.

But these people are, they're right, but there's no, I guess because they,

They've been exposed to too much and too little.

And the TV things, boy, I still think it's a factor.

That's the generation that grew up on television.

My kids were the first.

My oldest is that same age, and she's the first generation that had television from the time they were able to talk.

And they've been exposed to an enormous array through television that we never were exposed to.

And they haven't gotten into depth in anything.

So they have no substance under each and all of them in here.

I understand.

I could not help them do it.

But Bob, I think the meeting was, I was fine.

Bob gets handled very quickly.

We'd have to go chat the asses and they'd say, no, no, no, no.

We'd have to go speak to them.

All right.

Well, it just cracked me up.

We got to sit and talk to them.

So Jack, I says, who else do you want to talk to?

You know what I mean?

I'd love to, but let me put it this way.

I'd talk to them if I learned anything.

I have yet to talk to a group of young people, including the young people on our staff, that I have learned anything from.

I really mean that, sir.

Including their memorandum about that.

But they have got to realize they haven't done a hell of a lot to contribute.

That's hard words, but it's true that they don't realize it.

You know, when you say they got to, but they don't know.

And that, their issue is such that about draft departments, why do you think certain people are going to go and take care of some of it?

Some are interned.

How many of them are going to be summer interns?

I think the program should be more meaningful.

Sure, they want to come in and run the goddamn place.

Frankly, we shouldn't even have these interns.

They're a pain in the ass.

Third, they are interested in that and that.

Peace Corps and the rest, I really, I think this fellow's a bachelor's, but I have a hell of a time waiting for Peace Corps.

He says, oh, no, no, there's lots of volunteers, lots of volunteers.

The only thing that'll get me volunteers at the present time is the possibility of unemployment.

If the little bachelors think they can't get jobs, they'll get them the Peace Corps in order to avoid that.

And that's not bad.

We'll get the drop-offs, Peace Corps wants it.

The unemployment, that'll be the Peace Corps of the future, I predict.

A hell of a lot.

No, maybe.

There's still some ideas.

As long as you've got people out there, it's an idealist.

It's the affluence who don't have to be employed.

And they're going to get that job.

Yeah.

One hand, you know, it's an upper middle class paid vacation.

Hey, talk about a world of joy.

I think a lot of them must get therapy this weekend.

I couldn't imagine.

No, I don't think that's true.

I don't think that's right.

I still wonder about my deal about doing the educational television for some of the little guys.

Just the idea that you'd be talking to them.

It was the whole idea, Bob, of going on commentations and predictions.

That's a waste of time.

That's kind of killer.

So you didn't, you didn't go and you had 500 or 1,000 and you had to, like, go into Yale and have a dialogue with plenty of guys, a rap session, you know, like Billy Graham and the rest of you.

Just how the hell did the President of the United States degrade himself in that way or his office?

How can you waste the time?

You can't.

I mean, if you did, well, good.

What good is doing it?

Who the hell said that?

I guess I can publish.

Who knows who the great one had a rap session?

What good did it do him?

I'm not doing it.

Well, their point is, well, I know, it's only the little assholes who participate.

I'm just wondering, though, there's... Of course, Billy Graham looks at the world differently.

He's searching soul.

Each soul he saves is a soul saving.

It's the way he's got to look at it.

So he's got to keep hammering what he's saving.

My view is that it's looking at education and television.

doing an educational job, just for the sake of doing that.

You know, for the sake of, you know, we are talking to the little jackasses, but you need to have several of them here in conversation with them.

Like in conversation with the reporters, huh?

I don't know, you'd probably have to wait and have them start receding, but that doesn't bother me.

Because I could handle it with great skill, if you have a problem.

Those are the leaders of the leaders of the leaders.

That's right.

And that's why we've got to fight through on SST, and we've got to fight through in space, and fight through in Vietnam, and do the right thing on defense, and all these other unpopular issues for our leadership.

Me, in the last of the American dream, in my role here, plus the character that is going on in this country, just as it went on in the British administration.

I mean, we ought to talk about the British commander better than the French administration.

And the Germans aren't only because they lost in the war.

The Germans and the Japanese are still trying to prove something.

But their younger generations are pretty sad.

Both younger generations in both countries.

The Japanese much worse than the British.

You know, the Japanese raised me up all the time, and so forth.

The softness of this government is just unbelievable.

I'm not sure that

My proposition, though, why don't I just, frankly, don't scratch all this crap and create, I don't know, bullshit and all these meetings and this therapy meeting with the little assholes from the students and so forth and so on and so on, right?

Recognizing that we have a great crisis in this country in terms of understanding, right?

Recognizing that probably nobody can solve it.

I wonder if you just...

I'm just going to use my mind exclusively, very exclusively for the purposes of preparing myself for public appearances and resting in the creed.

The stock market went down.

I'm not concerned about the markets.

We've got a swearing in, which we'll do tomorrow before you go.

Do I have to do it?

Yes, I think you should.

Well, not just here.

But we've got to do it.

Because we've gone so long without a chairman that we need to get our chairman back.

All right, fine.

I don't think we're obviously out of here because public appearances are hard work.

They're hard work for the parent in particular.

And who knows whether they will be good in the present time.

I'm afraid that I'm not paying any attention to anybody else.

I mean, we can talk about Camden, Officer Bob.

We can talk about Agnes.

Oh, God damn it, they're all, they're just not getting across.

They can't do it.

If Conley were vice president, I'd have somebody who could get across on that.

Strangely enough, it's wrong.

God damn it, he's good.

But I tell you, it's a problem.

And this is the great advantage of John Conley.

He has a very service-like agenda.

And he stutters hell when he gets into my house.

It was another that we've done a column on Agnew today, which is totally perceptive.

And they make the point that Agnew, there's several lens involved here.

First of all, that Agnew has become a complete, 100% ideologue in his obsession with, against the media and the media.

Everything he does, and this is confirmed, Russell was saying, hey, why don't you sign it?

He said, well, and I kept it.

He said, how do they get all the pitch done?

How do you start it on the media?

And then someone else would start off some other way, and then someone else would go back to the media.

And then it was obvious that, you know, that's what he's concerned with.

The other thing is that he is totally concerned with his own image.

And Schultz makes this point that he wouldn't be with any more people because he thought it hurt his image to be with the youth.

Secondly, he ought to go out and speak to the university.

I would not make that suggestion right now because it wouldn't have anything to do with Schultz's desegregating the subcommittee, which he was the head of, you know, because it would hurt his image.

Now, see, what he sees is that he is our Obart to the right, and that he must preserve absolutely lily-white and pure, his rights and credentials, so as to be, and I think he believes this honestly, I don't think, I don't think there's anything... To hold Reagan off.

Well, to hold Reagan off and to maintain your tie to your basic constituency over there.

And I think he honestly would believe this, that they point out that he will listen to no one except the President, that he will not take any, you know, the White House staff or one of the best advice, everybody else, and take a good career.

I can't turn him off.

But the fact, the way he can't run this thing, would you tell him, Vice President, what to do?

All Rogers wants is a lot of good press, and I want to bring Secretary of State in charge.

He wants to be a great Secretary of State who brings all these great initiatives.

And I guess it would just break his heart if I did his thing, so take him out.

Well, let me see it.

Why not?

See what his situation is.

I don't think it would be wise to just tell him you can't go.

No, no, no, no.

But I do think it's worth dabbling in, saying we can leave him here.

And say, Henry, now look here.

We've got this from these.

But we're going to be better present than doing it.

Or you think maybe you could make more hay here over the weekend.

Because that's when you get to the stage.

And also, while you're getting Sapphire and yourself going on the stage,

I have no illusions about its being a place where people might be very interested, but this is the time to make another Cambodian or November 1st speech.

It's past because of worries.

All this is, is a time where you need to start building the foundation and to do it in a quiet, confident way, you understand?

And I know exactly.

I know exactly.

I don't think you don't want to rally the nation.

You don't want to build it up.

You don't want to rally it for what?

Because you're not there.

That's right.

All you want to do is fight it off because you've got to rally your friends who might not be angry.

That ain't fair.

Next year is when you've got to rally the nation.

This year, all we're going to do is go out into the lakes to disarm our enemies.

To disarm our enemies.

To calm them down.

That's right.

It's going to come out too.

I'm extremely confident.

It came out better out of the place than I thought it would.

I didn't think they were going to get the back of it.

And they're out.

They're out.

And incidentally, it was not no damn problem.

I think you played, I do think you played rather well, I think.

I agree.

What they're playing now that's coming out of there, I'm sure it's accidental, is that the two...

or pull them out, that we were willing to maintain support for continuing the time that they wanted.

That you made the decision, having accomplished most of what they were after, that it was preferable to pull back out now than to stay in and take heavy casualties, which there would be because of continuing heavy fighting.

And that he didn't want to have any casualties, and they put him to death because it would hurt his reelection.

Possible is to try to stand with those that he thought I had.

Wasn't that only one paper?

That was on the news, on the radio.

I see.

So it's moving in wire.

It was on CBS.

I don't think that's a bad posture.

Not a route, but a decision not to take casualties.

They could have stayed in and inflicted more casualties, but hell, we've still got the ten to one casualty ratio.

I figured 5-1 actually, that's my guess.

I figured they just didn't stand a chance.

You just talk about 1,300 to 1,300, you just can't imagine what a hell of a devastating bombardment those planes did.

You've got the whole Air Force over there.

And by the way, they had everything that moves.

And Tolteca didn't have some of that.

It's so hard for me to understand

the logistics of that, how we can have dropped the tonnage of bonds that we have and stuff like that and not have just demolished the whole thing.

And I don't understand, the Air Force is just not worth it now.

And also there's restrictions, you know.

I want to pay attention to this.

The Charter's made a suggestion that

hasn't been snapped out and they're working on it and they've all turned off and you don't want to do it at all.

Is the possibility of you calling, on the phone, calling Boeing and reading or making a statement that would be broadcast over their PA system to their employees, would not do anything about it until you have done it and then would say you have done it after the release of the statement.

Just so you know, I know this is,

the reason I fought to keep it alive is to believe in American history made in the vanguard of scientific progress.

That's an end, skill and dedication, imagination, especially with the team they are a match for us in the past and so on.

Well, I had a little bit of talking, and I don't mind doing this, but if somebody could get somebody with a little bit more background direction, I don't think we did something about Boeing's, but Boeing 707, 747 is a great, Boeing 707, 727, 747,

have been the planes that have given America leadership in the world.

You would be proud of what you have done.

And this great tradition is one that we will see.

Something like that.

Is that going?

Here.

All right.

And I'll do a call-out there and talk to the President.

Some call-out in Washington, the position we took over in the state of Washington.

Thank you.

It's kind of a nice human thing for me to do.

Yes.

Let me sit down.

I don't want to.

Stay.

I'm just thinking of being, I want to be completely in good shape when I go on this .

I think you can come back early on Monday.

You don't have to come back late Monday night.

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Tuesday and Wednesday are clear.

We did get some congressional support on the .

Clients and operations and such things, you know, they can't get over it.

I can't get, and I'm sorry to tell you about it, but Susskind did not just send a big man out to battle with us and other people, but they did follow up.

They didn't get any, like, I don't know, some of the press guys.

They sort of tried.

That's all.

They sort of tried.

They'll get some, I'm sure, some editorial stuff back.

I'm sure.

Just straight follow-up.

She was like, I'm sure.

So if you would personally assume responsibility, I would be very happy to.

If anything I do, I don't need to be on the scene or anything else.

There should be a plan or follow-up on this, on this election.

Following up, who's going to follow up on the president's account.

If I do something next week, who's going to know?

Good God, we're going out on a revenue shift.

We've got to be able to do it on a dead seat.

That's what I mean.

I think that's a very important thing as we come along.

problems with that angle, because we've also got Hooper.

Can you talk to him to mention a little about Hooper again?

He better go.

I would not have done it.

I would have set up

Well, there's enough of this stuff here to last three dogs for this five o'clock.

Yeah, but they're not going to push the social items to 6.30, please, so that Mrs. Nixon knows.

I mean, I cannot walk out of that damn meeting.

What do you mean?

Do they expect an hour?

I mean, I've done this before with them.

They don't, that's, they're going to present, you know, the written, they're going to do an opening statement and present their program of things in written form.

They want physically to deliver them to you.

So they say they have, that's...

How many people left?

90%.

There's a lot.

There's going to be a lot.

Well, I think .

Do you think that he's going to vote because he needs to talk to the administration?

Or did he do it because he needed to be talking to him?

I think he needs to talk to the administration.

I don't question his motives at all.

I don't.

And the more I talk to him, the more I don't question it about this thing.

Whatever is wrong, it's a matter of judgment, not intent.

No, he can't make it, but I...

I think it's almost impossible for a reason.

He won't listen.

That's the problem.

If he won't listen, then he can't.

And I think the problem is that he just doesn't...

He would listen to you if you wanted to take the time to be his mentor.

He won't listen to other signals.

There is a vanity thing in there, a class consciousness type of thing.

I'm sure when he calls somebody, he would never consider talking to a secretary.

Unless he's right here, and the fact that he even decided to do it because of that, he would never do it in his element.

Which is, I guess, typical of a middle-level politician.

He has to keep cranking himself up, his own mind.

If you go through one of these incredible generations of these sound-of-phones, all that kind of stuff.

Is he on?

Oh, shit.

That happens, you know, at the lower level, too.

Oh yeah, a secretary will do that without you knowing it.

Oh yeah.

I discovered that when I was in the office here, when I was placed in the office.

It was funny when I was in the office.

Everyone had to be gotten this right out there.

It was all going on.

They can do a lot of things, and that's the right thing to do.

You have to build up the people in the workforce.

Rose has done some of that sometimes.

I used to.

But she didn't react to others.

She got into trouble, so she didn't.

I just call them secretaries.

Everybody else is going to do the same thing.

I do it all the time.

And, you know, if I call them a hill or something, they'll laugh.

It's amazing how many people do that.

Because I place a call through the White House Boarding until we have everybody taking the Senate for someone.

So I stay on.

And then the Senator's secretary after a while, she said, Senator, if you're coming right on, please put Mr. Holden on.

You know, it's Mr. Holden on the line, Senator's coming.

Bill Rogers does it.

I called up there and I finally, Maggie Rockwell kept saying, please put Mr. Holden on.

And I finally said, Maggie, I'll always be on before you get the secretary.

She laughed.

She doesn't do it to me anymore.

Thank you.

We'll see now what they do.

I saw in the magazines on Monday that the Bundy magazine will end a lot of history.

It'll be a big story.

That's what really Henry wanted to do.

He wanted to be working on that.

I'm going to see if you can see it from outside.

I'm going to see if you can see it from down here.

Okay.

I'm going to see if you can see it from way down here.

There it is.

So I'm going to just move here.

I'm going to move this way.

There it is.

the hell of a fight in her staff between Connie and Lucy and so forth as to which one gets to go and so forth.

The point is, she shouldn't get involved and pick them all.

I think they will.

I don't think Connie's much of a gentleman, I've heard.

I think that sometimes people

I'm not so sure they're right, though, about the .

You want to remember .

on political matters, they tend to, a liberal, you know, and a power man.

I mean, I would have had Colson in that group.

We could get a little bit of balance.

The other way, I could always include him.

Your question is, it's not a very good group in that term, because it's too heavily balanced during the left.

The liberals, you know what I mean, they want to listen to them, they hear them, and so on.

I agree with this.

You may find it more difficult after the return for parking lots or things like that.

They go home, you know, and they hear the bitches whining around and all that sort of thing.

That's what that was before.

They hear the bitches whining at each other and then going home and finding that the folks are not going to be as up now as they were before.

Well, it would be a lot harder than the congressmen are.

I guess we're going to Washington Post.

It's us yet, and they just get away with these goddamn papers.

That's right, too.

That's right, isn't it?

Hardly anybody in Congress can go home and find a worse paper than he's reading every day here.

That's awesome, isn't it?

You see that paper every day, don't you?

Sir?

It's murderous every day.

And most of them see it in the air times every day.

Yeah, murderous every day, too.

Well, I mean, a lot of them head for the Bahamas or... Well, sure, they're someplace that... You know, Bob, the Congressman's Center's talking about their hard life.

Oh, Christ.

Listen.

Doc, when they were based there, you know, it was such a big Alabama, open world, you know,

Well, I'll tell you, what is hard in their mind if they work at it is just having seats that you can stick around in the mails.

Of course, but now they have big staffs who can do their mail.

In the old days, of course, had to do a whole lot of this.

I think now they've got administrative assistance right on the tail.

The readers didn't used to have that in there, but it's capable now.

Because they do have to handle the constituents, and that constituents have a terrible thing to do.

Oh, Joe is in town today, or so-and-so is in town.

Jesus, Peter, I speak.

It's awful.

But they go to their committee meetings, and they do that.

And that's what they need to have this government.

I wonder if the...

I guess you're up for re-election, but the senators that are up for re-election work hard, work in the state.

Our relationship is really important.

We have long range salvation.

We were pretty, pretty much on the next, I don't know, two problems.

One, the Uber thing.

She said, oh, I can discuss with Mitchell maybe today.

I put a right to him and say, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, I'm gonna rip him up.

I asked him to talk about it, and I went and talked to him, and he tried to talk about it.

I believe I was the agent of his name.

I haven't.

He had never concerned with his adversaries in the heart.

They're gone.

Everyone is natural allies, like Dominic.

That's a, you know, for example, I, when I'm one hand or a garment price, people like that picking on, I understand that they disagree with me.

That's all right.

I respect them.

They have every right to be against me.

Well, that's no reason to be against me.

If you don't want to defend this one, that's fine.

My increasing number is of people.

I think if you can know where I am, it will be extremely efficient.

You know, he wrote one earlier, as he saw it, he said, well, what should he do?

Well, he said, well, so what we got him doing, we got him on a songwriting chair and so forth.

He presided very nicely at that city's meeting and it was a great dignity.

He's a man of very great dignity, poise, charm, and he doesn't like that positive stuff.

It doesn't get him to go listening.

He likes to go listening, doesn't he?

He feels it's essential, and it's something he's going to do, right?

Is there something else in here?

It's a status thing tonight, sort of an easy-going thing, or it should be.

These are our friends here.

I had to go on stage, make a big speech, and he's briefing me after, or I was going to gather him for other, and this is the first shot, and then I'll have to be briefing him.

Who are you asking to assemble, you know, to be on the conference from time to time?

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Roscoe Rule.

It's a powerful rule.

Some of them will have been there last night, so you can keep on saying, oh, I hope you're going to have a day off.

But they're here to eat.

We'll have to stay a little longer.