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Bull\n\n     President’s schedule\n          -White House Conference on Drugs\n                -Religious leaders\n                -White House theater\n                -Oval Office\n                -President’s remarks\n                -Length of President’s meeting\n                -Oval Office\n                -Scheduler\n                -Length of meeting\n                -Number attending\n                -Time involved\n                -President’s role\n\nAlexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 11:17 am\n\n                       -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n                 -President’s role\n\n     Haldeman’s location\n          -Meeting with Henry A. Kissinger\n\n     President’s schedule\n          -Justinian Society\n          -Drug conference\n                 -Time\n           -Justinian Society\n                 -An afternoon event\n                 -Tour\n                 -Volpe\n                 -President’s role\n                 -Tour of Oval Office\n                       -Volpe, President\n\nThe President, Bull, and Butterfield left at 11:22 am","filename":["474-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:33:01","tapeEnd":"00:42:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Butterfield, Alexander P."],"prevCode":"474-004","nextCode":"474-006","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":4.26,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.56,"end":6.84,"text":"I don't quite understand this."},{"start":6.86,"end":12.87,"text":"It says that I go to the White House theater and then the state's ministers come over to meet me personally."},{"start":12.89,"end":13.99,"text":"And you're going to do that in 30 minutes?"},{"start":14.02,"end":14.28,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":14.29,"end":19.24,"text":"You mean they'll walk from the theater over here and come to this office at all times in 30 minutes?"},{"start":21.53,"end":21.71,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":21.73,"end":22.09,"text":"You're on the set."},{"start":22.11,"end":23.69,"text":"You said there would be a couple minutes of remarks."},{"start":23.71,"end":24.23,"text":"There is a couple, right?"},{"start":24.25,"end":24.73,"text":"You know, on the banner."},{"start":24.75,"end":25.01,"text":"No bullshit."},{"start":25.03,"end":25.41,"text":"No bullshit."},{"start":27.89,"end":42.19,"text":"But then I don't think we'll bother you."},{"start":42.21,"end":44.26,"text":"I think we won't bother you."},{"start":44.28,"end":44.9,"text":"They're not expecting anything."},{"start":44.92,"end":45.68,"text":"This will be a spontaneous type thing."},{"start":45.7,"end":46.14,"text":"Not necessary, though."},{"start":46.16,"end":48.12,"text":"Well, I'll just invite you to come over if I'd like to come for a special appearance in my office."},{"start":48.14,"end":48.58,"text":"I'm not going to be..."},{"start":54.35,"end":58.66,"text":"We've got something to do with these religious leaders."},{"start":58.68,"end":59.31,"text":"It can't be done in 30 minutes."},{"start":59.33,"end":59.65,"text":"I can't breathe."},{"start":59.67,"end":59.99,"text":"I can't breathe."},{"start":60.34,"end":69.66,"text":"Well, listen, it can't be done."},{"start":69.78,"end":75.24,"text":"But you know how long it takes you?"},{"start":76.45,"end":78.65,"text":"It's five minutes over there, five minutes back, five minutes there, and so forth and so on."},{"start":78.67,"end":79.05,"text":"And you don't care."},{"start":79.07,"end":81.49,"text":"So am I supposed to take your hand if you're not going to tell them?"},{"start":81.51,"end":83.1,"text":"They haven't been told anything, Mr. President."},{"start":83.12,"end":83.82,"text":"I don't think it's going to happen."},{"start":83.84,"end":85.7,"text":"The plan on my floor was how long it was approved, and that's the way it went."},{"start":85.72,"end":85.84,"text":"I see."},{"start":85.86,"end":87.06,"text":"They came out expecting some of it."},{"start":87.08,"end":88.32,"text":"And he said, you know what?"},{"start":88.88,"end":93.91,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":93.93,"end":98.83,"text":"No problem."},{"start":102.62,"end":103.22,"text":"Your adversaries is the thing."},{"start":103.24,"end":104.12,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":104.14,"end":104.44,"text":"Doesn't matter."},{"start":104.46,"end":104.56,"text":"Here."},{"start":104.58,"end":104.96,"text":"I'm in the meeting."},{"start":104.98,"end":105.12,"text":"Oh, no."},{"start":105.14,"end":105.66,"text":"No, I'm not going to talk."},{"start":105.68,"end":106.14,"text":"I'm not going to share."},{"start":110.53,"end":111.99,"text":"What?"},{"start":114.65,"end":115.53,"text":"Paul goes downstairs kissing his knee."},{"start":115.56,"end":125.57,"text":"Uh, then I will, uh, I'll, I'll finish this."},{"start":125.59,"end":126.71,"text":"I'll do the drug conference."},{"start":126.91,"end":129.47,"text":"Are they, will they be ready?"},{"start":129.49,"end":134.52,"text":"My mother would have run away."},{"start":134.54,"end":135.7,"text":"Right after this, when I go over there."},{"start":135.72,"end":136.46,"text":"I'll see where they are."},{"start":137.2,"end":137.78,"text":"Right, it says 1145."},{"start":137.81,"end":138.81,"text":"There's no reason, Mike."},{"start":138.97,"end":139.07,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":141.39,"end":154.58,"text":"What about these people here?"},{"start":155.12,"end":160.41,"text":"Are they going to take the tour now?"},{"start":161.32,"end":184.48,"text":"No, sir, there is no secretary voting to be created by you."},{"start":184.5,"end":185.08,"text":"No, no, I don't get my point."},{"start":185.1,"end":187.29,"text":"Why not have them come through the office and I'll reach this one because they can't."},{"start":187.31,"end":188.57,"text":"It's not going to be the whole, you're not going to have a 210."},{"start":188.59,"end":189.01,"text":"That's not necessary."},{"start":189.03,"end":189.37,"text":"I'll invite them."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen Bull and Alexander Butterfield to review and critique the logistical arrangements for an upcoming White House Conference on Drugs involving religious leaders. 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