{"conversationCode":"474-013","tapeNumber":474,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-474-013","startDateTime":"1971-03-26T21:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-03-26T22:04:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Mar-1971","startTime":"4:59 PM","endDate":"26-Mar-1971","endTime":"5:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On March 26, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:59 pm to 5:04 pm. 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McCracken\n           -Ezra Solomon\n                 -Speaking ability\n           -Public relations efforts\n                 -McCracken\n                 -Solomon\n\nThe President and Shultz left at 5:04 pm","filename":["474-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:24:55","tapeEnd":"01:28:42","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"474-012","nextCode":"475-001","transcript":[{"start":1.48,"end":19.32,"text":"I wanted to tell you one thing, uh, the, uh, the, uh, uh, which we discussed once before, you know, on, uh, the, uh, the, uh, change of the military."},{"start":22.34,"end":35.77,"text":"This is what he raised up, all the time, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera."},{"start":38.69,"end":60.36,"text":"It's a question of insurance or whatever it is."},{"start":60.38,"end":62.68,"text":"And so we've got to face the fact that that deal would be, it's frankly going to send a lot of debt to some bodies."},{"start":62.7,"end":64.1,"text":"I believe in St. Jesus, you guys, you're going to be able to drive it."},{"start":64.12,"end":65.75,"text":"Business people in particular have got to have some feeling that it's going to be"},{"start":68.88,"end":74.49,"text":"We've got so much to do, but let's see how much we can have up here."},{"start":76.98,"end":103.66,"text":"That's what you need, really."},{"start":103.68,"end":104.84,"text":"This is confidence."},{"start":104.83,"end":118.68,"text":"You see, well, I mean, let's face it, getting up there in Athens, if you believe it, it's not a worry."},{"start":118.7,"end":119.54,"text":"Come on, boys, let's go."},{"start":119.56,"end":121.02,"text":"That's all."},{"start":121.04,"end":121.64,"text":"Well, I was trying to do that."},{"start":121.67,"end":122.25,"text":"You do, that's right."},{"start":122.27,"end":123.55,"text":"You've got to see, but I look here, we believe it."},{"start":123.57,"end":124.07,"text":"We know what we're doing."},{"start":124.09,"end":124.89,"text":"We know all the areas that we can't see."},{"start":124.91,"end":126.31,"text":"Well, maybe not."},{"start":126.29,"end":136.19,"text":"That doesn't go."},{"start":136.21,"end":138.57,"text":"You cannot do it."},{"start":138.59,"end":141.78,"text":"You don't have to, you don't have to be, you don't have to lie to me, but you just got to say, well, now, I know all the arguments, but this is what I believe."},{"start":141.79,"end":142.01,"text":"I am there."},{"start":142.03,"end":142.24,"text":"I'm there."},{"start":142.25,"end":142.98,"text":"Well, how's that for you to believe?"},{"start":143,"end":143.28,"text":"That's right."},{"start":143.72,"end":143.98,"text":"That's right."},{"start":147.79,"end":170.57,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":170.59,"end":171.52,"text":"We probably, probably, we probably worked out."},{"start":171.54,"end":171.98,"text":"Maybe we can solve it."},{"start":172,"end":172.96,"text":"At least have one guy that we can put up to bat."},{"start":172.98,"end":173.24,"text":"Look at this."},{"start":173.26,"end":173.36,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":173.38,"end":174.58,"text":"He's been going around with the National Raiders for a year."},{"start":174.6,"end":174.7,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":174.72,"end":175.44,"text":"And he's actually going to be sweet."},{"start":175.46,"end":176.28,"text":"At least they, see, here's the right guy."},{"start":176.3,"end":177.32,"text":"And he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a,"},{"start":177.3,"end":177.9,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George Shultz discussed the administration's public relations strategy regarding the economy and the critical need to secure support from the business community. They emphasized the necessity of projecting confidence in their economic policies to overcome skepticism among business leaders. The conversation concluded with a focus on selecting effective spokespeople, specifically considering individuals like Paul McCracken or Ezra Solomon, to better communicate the administration's agenda to the public.","topics":["Economic Policy","Public Relations","Business Confidence","Administration Spokespeople","Political Strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T21:34:30.898Z"},"topicSlugs":["economic-policy","public-relations","business-confidence","administration-spokespeople","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":179,"audioFiles":[{"file":"474-013.mp3","bytes":4290768,"durationSec":178.73,"bitrate":192056,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:48.988Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:47.004Z","transcriptGapSeconds":71,"transcriptGapShare":0.4,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/474-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/474-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/474/conversation-474-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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