{"conversationCode":"476-004","tapeNumber":476,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-476-004","startDateTime":"1971-04-09T13:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-09T13:52:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Apr-1971","startTime":"8:40 AM","endDate":"9-Apr-1971","endTime":"8:52 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:40 am and 8:52 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 476-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 476-4\n\nDate: April 9, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 8:40 am and 8:52 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with an Stephen B. Bull\n\n     Picture frame\n           -Location for hanging\n           -Gold\n\n     President’s schedule\n          -Meeting with T. Kong Lee [?] and [Name unintelligible]\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 8:52 am","filename":["476-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:03:09","tapeEnd":"00:04:46","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"476-003","nextCode":"476-005","transcript":[{"start":0.4,"end":5.81,"text":"Morning, Mr. President."},{"start":5.83,"end":8.86,"text":"I stopped by to read that bill."},{"start":9.23,"end":20.87,"text":"The business owner asked you this question, but recall this is the bill."},{"start":20.89,"end":21.07,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":21.09,"end":21.19,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":21.21,"end":23.1,"text":"I'm wondering if you had any thoughts for anyone to hang, you know, to get a property to rent."},{"start":23.12,"end":23.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":23.24,"end":25.52,"text":"Well... Is there anything specific you'd like to do to get a frame as appropriate for this, or is there... Mm-hmm."},{"start":25.54,"end":25.68,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":25.7,"end":26.78,"text":"I don't have anything right, but I'll let me, uh..."},{"start":35.33,"end":45.41,"text":"It should have a gold type of frame, like that kind of thing."},{"start":45.44,"end":47.72,"text":"So it's not that white, it's a gold frame, because that's what it is, it's gold and a thing."},{"start":47.74,"end":48.52,"text":"Another thing, we'll see what we want."},{"start":48.54,"end":50.71,"text":"I believe you and David are expecting to hear a lot of talk today."},{"start":50.73,"end":51.15,"text":"It's in five minutes."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met briefly to discuss the aesthetic specifications for a picture frame and review the President’s upcoming schedule. Nixon requested a gold-style frame for a piece of property, emphasizing a specific color and appearance. Bull also updated the President regarding an imminent meeting involving David Eisenhower.","topics":["Oval Office","Interior design","Presidential schedule","Stephen B. Bull","Picture frames"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T21:37:20.060Z"},"topicSlugs":["oval-office","interior-design","presidential-schedule","stephen-b-bull","picture-frames"],"audioDurationSec":58,"audioFiles":[{"file":"476-004.mp3","bytes":1386160,"durationSec":57.7,"bitrate":192179,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:48.988Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/476-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/476-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/476/conversation-476-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}