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Conversation 477-004

TapeTape 477StartMonday, April 12, 1971 at 12:42 PMEndMonday, April 12, 1971 at 12:46 PMTape start time02:35:11Tape end time02:38:05ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office
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On April 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:42 pm to 12:46 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 477-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 477-4

Date: April 12, 1971
Time: 12:42 pm - 12:46 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -John D. Rockefeller, III
          -Vietnam

     Green brothers
          -Press story
               -Vietnam

     Anna C. Chennault
         -Role
         -Letter
               -Distribution

     People’s Republic of China [PRC] - Taiwan
          -US position

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:42 pm

     Press photograph

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:46 pm

     Vietnam
          -Democrats
          -Radicals
          -Withdrawal
          -US agreements
          -Deadlines
          -General Nguyen Van Thieu
          -Nguyen Cao Ky
          -Withdrawal
          -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                -Charles W. Colson
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 9/08)



                 -US policy
                 -POW wives

Kissinger left at 12:46 pm



                                                                    Conv. No. 477-4 (cont.)
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

I'm going to have lunch with some rocky fellow who, three weeks ago, was reporting about having to say nothing on Vietnam, so I...
I'll give him a little help.
That's how it is between them.
So, come on.
The three brothers, between them, have a little bit of guts, but I...
What the hell is the matter with that?
Because the American families, it's a...
It is really a tragedy.
They're so close to making it.
Well, they don't have the ground up.
So they must have talked about it.
No, they will.
They're not going to make it.
They're not going to make it.
We've got a hell of a problem here, which we'll talk about later.
You know, that little gal is a smart one.
God damn, why she doesn't talk to all these people.
She gets right in the seat and talks to all of them.
What we will do is put her on an actual committee.
She can be in charge of art and so forth.
I'll sign up for something.
I appreciate your work, the letter on that.
You know, she'll broker that all over here.
But you know, we're not really
She stayed very close, but God damn, you know, these Chinese folks, they've been out for years, and they're still fighting.
God damn, can't we fight?
What I do about hell is the matter with us.
We've got no place to go really because of it.
What they're eating, they ought to see.
They don't have a press photo on this particular fish, do they?
They do, yes, sir.
It's kind of a remarkable thing to play high art in the environment.
That's right.
So we have the curious situation because all this business about deadlines.
You, the government, that's one thing they want now.
They are terrified you're going to make it.
They know that, but all they have to do is protect your mineral rights.
You have to have a drug to know when you're withdrawing.
The thing is, where we have those is prison.
I've got to get, uh, did Colton talk to you about this line on prison?
Well, I'll talk to you about it.
We've got to get a decision on that, but we can hope so we keep the wire and stay alive.
Because those first-year gals have gone to all the spots where we stand around.
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