{"conversationCode":"478-010","tapeNumber":478,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-478-010","startDateTime":"1971-04-13T17:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-13T17:40:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1971","startTime":"12:34 PM","endDate":"13-Apr-1971","endTime":"12:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; DeMarco, Frank, Jr.; DeMarco, John;","description":"On April 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Frank DeMarco, Jr., and John DeMarco met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:34 pm to 12:40 pm. 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DeMarco\n\nBull left at 12:34 pm\n\n           -Children\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/09/2019.\nSegment will remain closed.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[478-010-w001]\n[Duration: 1m 9s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWAN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Photograph\n\n     Presentation of gifts\n          -Brothers/sister\n          -Mother\n          -Golf ball\n          -Cuff links\n          -Paper weight\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/09/2019.\nSegment will remain closed.]\n\n[Personal Returnable]\n[478-010-w002]\n[Duration: 15s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Carl M. Yastrzemski\n          -Speeches to high schools regarding drugs\n          -Baseball\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/09/2019.\nSegment will remain closed.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[478-010-w003]\n[Duration: 44s]\n\nBull entered at an unknown after 12:34 pm\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Rose Garden\n          -F. DeMarco\n\nThe DeMarcos and Bull left at 12:40 pm","filename":["478-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:04:28","tapeEnd":"03:10:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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