{"conversationCode":"480-006","tapeNumber":480,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-480-006","startDateTime":"1971-04-15T17:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-15T17:40:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Apr-1971","startTime":"12:15 PM","endDate":"15-Apr-1971","endTime":"12:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Finch, Robert H.; Rumsfeld, Donald H.;","description":"On April 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert H. Finch, and Donald H. Rumsfeld met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:15 pm to 12:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 480-006 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 480-6\n\nDate: April 15, 1971\nTime: 12:15 pm - 12:40 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld\n\n     Appointment of John A. McCone\n         -Congress\n               -Anti-ballistic Missiles [ABM]\n         -Breeder reactor\n         -Clinton P. Anderson\n         -Disarmament\n         -Congress\n         -Resignation from Common Cause\n               -Possible delay\n               -Release\n         -Common Cause\n         -ABM\n         -Rumsfeld’s forthcoming conversation with Henry A. Kissinger\n         -Disarmament committee\n               -William F. Knowland\n         -Qualifications\n               -Experience\n               -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n               -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]\n         -Breeder reactor\n\n     Finch and Rumsfeld’s upcoming visit to World Health Organization [WHO] meeting\n          -Kissinger\n          -Possible invitation to People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n\n     -President’s visit in 1951\n           -Herbert H. Lehman\n           -Geneva\n           -Dwight D. Eisenhower\n                 -Paris\n     -Possible invitation to PRC\n           -Votes\n     -United Nations [UN] representation\n     -Kissinger\n           -US position\n     -Taiwan\n     -PRC\n     -Possible visit of PRC doctors\n     -Finch’s forthcoming conversation with Kissinger\n     -US policy regarding PRC\n           -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n\nUSSR\n    -US policy\n    -PRC\n    -Possible reaction\n    -Composition\n    -Health ministers\n    -Subjects\n         -Health\n         -Drugs\n         -Education\n\nRacial discrimination in armed forces\n     -Congress\n           -Mail\n           -Black Caucus\n     -Work assignments\n     -Blacks\n     -Benefits of military service\n\nFinch and Rumsfeld’s visit to WHO meeting\n     -Countries in itinerary\n          -England\n          -Morocco\n          -Spain\n          -Italy\n\n           -Romania\n           -Yugoslavia\n           -Austria\n           -Germany\n           -Switzerland\n           -France\n     -Specific subjects\n           -Drugs\n           -Medical education\n           -Prisoner relief\nFrance\n     -Jacques M. P. Chaban-Delmas\n     -Georges J. R. Pompidou\n     -President’s relations with Chaban-Delmas\n\nMorocco\n    -Visit of King [Moulay] Hassan II\n          -Scheduling\n          -Arab summit meeting\n\nGreat Britain\n     -[James] Harold Wilson\n     -Edward R. G. Heath\n     -Sir Alexander F. (“Alex”) Douglas-Home\n     -Tories\n     -Labor\n           -Wilson\n     -Heath\n     -Douglas-Home\n     -Roy Thomson Herbert\n           -Times of London\n     -[Maurice] Harold MacMillian\n     -R. Anthony Eden\nGermany\n     -Willy Brandt\n     -Opposition\n     -Berlin\n           -West/East\n           -Mayor\n     -Evenhandedness\n\nItaly\n\n          -Henry Cabot Lodge\n          -Pope Paul VI [Giovanni Battista Motini]\n               -Social gospel\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines\n                                                                   Conv.case\n                                                                         No.number\n                                                                             480-10 (cont.)\nLPRN-T-MDR-2014-023. Segment declassified on 04/24/2019. Archivist: MAS]\n[National Security]\n[480-006-w002]\n[Duration: 59s]\n\n    Italy\n         -Pope Paul VI [Giovanni Battista Motini]\n             -Potential topics of conversation\n                 -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n                      -US concern\n                 -Vatican’s role\n                 -Papal concern over forthcoming Italian presidential elections\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Spain\n          -General Francisco Franco\n                -Age\n          -Robert C. Hill\n          -Foreign Minister\n          -Political conditions\n                -Franco\n\n     Yugoslavia\n         -William Leonart\n         -Josip Broz Tito\n         -PRC\n               -Romania\n                    -Nicolae Ceausescu\n         -Role\n         -Tito\n\n     Belgium\n\n     Paris\n\n     Austria\n          -Vienna\n          -Salzburg\n          -US relations\n\n     Germany\n         -East Berlin\n\n     European press\n          -Kissinger\n          -Editors\n          -Intellectuals\n          -Editors\n                -Paris\n                -England\n                -Germany\n                -Italy\n          -Compared with US press\n\n     International drug control\n           -Justice Department\n           -UN\n                 -Possible US initiatives\n                       -Amendments\n           -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]\n           -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan and Russell E. Train\n           -Health\n           -[Charles B. Rangel]\n                 -Harlem\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number\nLPRN-T-MDR-2014-023. Segment declassified on 04/24/2019. Archivist: MAS]\n[National Security]\n[480-006-w003]\n[Duration: 2m 29s]\n\n   International drug control\n        -US activities\n            -Impact on Turkey and France\n        -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan\n            -Work\n        -French policies\n        -Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld trip\n            -Recent Congressional Black Caucus meeting\n            -Turkey visit\n        -France\n            -Marseilles\n        -US priorities\n            -France\n                 -Need to talk to Jacques M. P. Chaban-Delmas\n        -Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld\n            -Return from forthcoming trip\n                 -Recommendations\n\n   Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld forthcoming trip\n      -Prisoner of war [POW] issue\n           -Need to talk to Pope Paul VI [Giovanni Battista Motini]\n                -Need to talk to Henry Cabot Lodge\n                -International drug control\n      -Potential communication with US ambassador\n      -Henry A. Kissinger\n      -Jacques M. P. Chaban-Delmas\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n    Overseas political contributors\n         -France\n              -Paris\n              -Rogers C. B. Morton\n         -Herbert W. Kalmbach\n         -England\n              -Duration of Finch and Rumsfeld’s trip\n              -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n              -J[ean] Paul Getty\n                     -Property\n                     -Possible contribution\n                          -Amount\n\n                     -1970 campaign\n                           -Contribution\n                     -Kalmbach\n                     -Property\n                     -Living habits\n                     -Possible contribution\n\n     Finch and Rumsfeld’s trip\n          -Paris\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Call from Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n     Finch and Rumsfeld’s trip\n\nFinch and Rumsfeld left at 12:40 pm","filename":["480-006.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:03:48","tapeEnd":"01:28:23","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Finch, Robert H.","Rumsfeld, Donald H."],"prevCode":"480-005","nextCode":"480-007","transcript":[{"start":177.44,"end":182.17,"text":"who are currently suggestible to ."},{"start":497.29,"end":497.83,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":591.43,"end":593.6,"text":"Of course, there are some numbers on the line."},{"start":641.89,"end":646.83,"text":"I saw him just briefly."},{"start":646.85,"end":651.9,"text":"That's me."},{"start":651.92,"end":653.99,"text":"That was an old man, a very old man."},{"start":723.17,"end":724.26,"text":"I'm gonna give you a cross."},{"start":759.42,"end":760.88,"text":"Mr. ."},{"start":910.05,"end":912.46,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":912.48,"end":912.68,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":970.16,"end":972.77,"text":"That's it."},{"start":972.79,"end":972.99,"text":"That's it."},{"start":973.01,"end":973.22,"text":"That's it."},{"start":1383.21,"end":1386.99,"text":"Are we serving wine?"},{"start":1412.01,"end":1414.79,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1414.81,"end":1416.61,"text":"He said sometimes."},{"start":1447.72,"end":1449.01,"text":"Good."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld to discuss the potential appointment of John A. McCone, the status of anti-ballistic missile (ABM) policy, and racial discrimination within the armed forces. A primary focus of the meeting was preparing Finch and Rumsfeld for an extensive international diplomatic tour, including attendance at a World Health Organization meeting and high-level engagements regarding US policy toward the People's Republic of China, international drug control, and the POW issue. The group also coordinated on sensitive political matters, including soliciting overseas campaign contributions and managing relations with various European and Mediterranean leaders.","topics":["John A. 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