{"conversationCode":"480-010","tapeNumber":480,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-480-010","startDateTime":"1971-04-15T17:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-15T18:18:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Apr-1971","startTime":"12:41 PM","endDate":"15-Apr-1971","endTime":"1:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Bull, Stephen B.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Sutherland, John P. (\"Jack\"); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, John P. (\"Jack\") Sutherland, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:41 pm and 1:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 480-010 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 1; Segment 2; Segment 3","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 480-10\n\nDate: April 15, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 12:41 pm and 1:18 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n     Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n          -Veterans’ demonstration\n                -Capitol grounds\n                     -President of Senate\n                     -Speaker of House\n                           -Carl B. Albert\n                                 -Health\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:41 pm\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Barber\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm\n\n     Agnew\n         -Forthcoming demonstration\n               -Use of Capitol\n                    -Attorney General’s [Richard G. Kleindienst’s] opinion\n                    -Effect on Congress\n                    -Ellipse\n                    -Agnew’s meeting\n                    -Administration’s possible position\n                    -Southern Christian Leadership Conference [SCLC]\n                          -Precedent\n                    -Possible crisis\n                    -Effect on Congress\n                    -Vietnam\n                    -Numbers\n                    -Veterans\n                          -Schedule\n                    -Albert\n                          -Health\n                          -Democratic leadership\n                          -Personal life\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/03/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[480-010-w003]\n[Duration: 1m 49s]\n\n    Democratic presidential candidates\n       -Television show\n           -Samuel W. Yorty\n                -Inclusion\n           -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.\n           -J. William Fulbright\n           -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.\n       -American Broadcasting Company [ABC]\n           -Duration\n           -Commentary\n       -Samuel W. Yorty\n           -Presidential candidacy\n       -Carl B. Albert\n           -The President’s opinion\n\n    John B. Connally\n        -Potential presidential candidacy\n            -The President’s opinion\n\n    Wilbur D. Mills\n        -Potential presidential candidacy\n            -The President’s opinion\n            -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     John B. Connally\n          -Arthur F. Burns\n          -John D. Ehrlichman\n          -Henry A. Kissinger\n\n     Campaign practices\n         -Interview with Edmund S. Muskie’s mother\n               -”Chapman’s friend”\n               -Age\n\n                -Jane F. (Gray) Muskie\n                      -Background\n                      -E. S. Muskie\n                            -Wife\n                      -Portland, Maine\n                      -Children\n                            -Gene Muskie\n                            -Daughters\n                      -President\n                      -E. S. Muskie\n                            -Abraham Lincoln simile\n                            -Education\n                            -Presidential aspirations\n                      -Daughters\n                            -Political views\n\n     Interviews with other E. S. Muskie family and staff members\n           -Portland Press Herald\n           -Mickey Wiesenthal [sp?]\n\nRonald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 12:41 pm\n     The President’s schedule\n          -John P. (“Jack”) Sutherland\n                -Alma mater’s yearbook\n                -Photo session with the President\n\nZiegler left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm\n\n     Campaign practices\n         -”Chapman’s friend”\n              -Jay Lovestone’s meeting with Hubert H. Humphrey and George Meany\n\nSutherland and Ziegler entered at 12:50 pm\n\n     Photo session\n          -Notes\n          -Autographed photo of the President\n          -Unknown forthcoming event, May 8, 1971\n          -Golf balls\n          -Cuff links\n\n     Ziegler\n\n           -Editors’ meeting\n           -Performance\n\nSutherland and Ziegler left at 12:54 pm\n\n     Campaign practices\n          -”Chapman’s friend”\n                -Lovestone’s meeting with Humphrey and Meany\n                      -Supersonic Transport [SST]\n                      -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]\n                      -1968 election campaign\n                      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson\n                      -James L. Buckley\n                      -Republicans\n                            -Locals\n                            -Economic situation\n                      -Democrats\n                            -Jackson\n                      -E. S. Muskie\n                -1962 campaign\n                      -Leaks\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Televised press conference\n          -Office press conference\n          -California trip\n          -Press conference\n                -Announcement\n          -Demonstrations\n                -Timing\n                      -Veterans\n                            -April 19, 1971\n                      -April 24, 1971\n                      -May 1-5, 1971\n                      -April 24, 1971\n                      -May 5, 1971\n          -Press conference\n          -California trip\n                -Timing\n          -Photographers\n          -State visits\n          -Church\n          -President’s meetings\n\n           -Number\n           -Daily\n           -Frequency\n           -Leonard Garment’s call\n                 -Sammy Davis, Jr.\n     -Flexibility\n     -Staff members\n     -Press conferences\n     -Statements\n     -Speeches\n     -Agriculture Day\n     -California trip\n     -Press conference\n     -Florida weekend\n           -Giuseppe Saragat\n     -Alabama\n\nElections in Berkeley, California\n      -Results\n      -Activism\n      -Faculty and students\n      -Electorate\n            -Blacks\n            -Hippies\n            -Radicals\n            -Longshoremen’s union\n      -Stanford University\n\nSanta Cruz, California incident\n     -Reaction\n     -Los Angeles Times\n     -Burning of building\n     -Haldeman’s son’s reaction\n\nMay Day demonstrations\n    -Security\n    -Disruption on White House grounds\n         -”Salute to Agriculture”\n    -Washington Post story on cameras at White House\n         -Police state image\n         -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan\n         -San Clemente\n\n                -Florida\n                -Security\n                -Number of police at the White House\n                -Ziegler\n\n     Berkeley, California\n\n     Economy\n         -George P. Shultz\n         -Industrial production\n         -Briefing, April 15, 1971\n         -Paul W. McCracken\n\n     Donald H. Rumsfeld and Robert H. Finch\n         -Compared to Connally\n         -Performance\n\nEhrlichman entered at an unknown time after 12:54 pm\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Davis\n          -Awards at Open Door Hour\n                -[Muscular Dystrophy Association of America]\n                -Nebraska\n          -Garment\n          -Davis\n                -Picture\n          -Harold Russell\n          -Press\n          -Davis\n\n     Davis\n          -Schedule\n          -Press\n          -Robert J. Brown\n          -Schedule\n                -Shady Grove\n                -Brown\n          -Wife\n          -Retirement\n          -Revenue sharing\n          -Entertainment\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Davis\n          -Muscular Dystrophy Association of America\n          -Davis\n               -Picture\n\nEhrlichman left at an unknown time before 1:18 pm\n\n     Davis\n          -Appearance\n          -Possible meeting with the President\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Morocco [canceled visit of King [Moulay] Hassan II]\n          -Press conference\n\nThe President and Haldeman left at 1:18 pm","filename":["480-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:29:47","tapeEnd":"02:01:15","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Bull, Stephen B.","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Sutherland, John P. (\"Jack\")","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"480-009","nextCode":"480-011","transcript":[{"start":251.15,"end":252.97,"text":"$400, sir."},{"start":252.99,"end":254.09,"text":"100."},{"start":684.77,"end":685.95,"text":"You're amazing."},{"start":802.01,"end":806.18,"text":"of the Democrats nominating Alfred Jackson."},{"start":806.22,"end":806.98,"text":"Sir, you must see."},{"start":872.23,"end":874.08,"text":"We're going to do the TV the following week."},{"start":874.54,"end":874.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":875.91,"end":876.23,"text":"All right."},{"start":876.25,"end":877.82,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":879.19,"end":879.69,"text":"See you."},{"start":879.71,"end":880.01,"text":"See you."},{"start":905.05,"end":910.46,"text":"I don't want to waste your time."},{"start":994.12,"end":994.6,"text":"I know."},{"start":994.9,"end":998.54,"text":"Initially, you want to make good vaccines."},{"start":998.64,"end":1000.97,"text":"You don't get an office press conference."},{"start":1000.99,"end":1004.4,"text":"You want to make a lot of news of that and die the next week with a TV press conference."},{"start":1078.38,"end":1089.75,"text":"and keeping it down for one or two days."},{"start":1089.85,"end":1090.73,"text":"It's really not that good."},{"start":1294.8,"end":1296.24,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":1354.5,"end":1356.58,"text":"it's just a, was anybody"},{"start":1441.71,"end":1444.38,"text":"they talking about?"},{"start":1444.4,"end":1444.89,"text":"They're trying to create"},{"start":1547.48,"end":1560.35,"text":"Did you explain the budget reduction in a way that was similar to the report you gave?"},{"start":1560.37,"end":1561.65,"text":"Or did you discuss the matter with maybe just the other figures?"},{"start":1561.67,"end":1564.23,"text":"Or how did you raise it?"},{"start":1564.25,"end":1566.72,"text":"I was very disappointed that it had been downplayed as minor figures and we had to get our own three out on the figures."},{"start":1566.74,"end":1567.52,"text":"Our interpretation of it."},{"start":1590.47,"end":1592.78,"text":"before I come to this office."},{"start":1637.62,"end":1642.22,"text":"Anything I do with this life, some of it will die."},{"start":1801.37,"end":1817.54,"text":"let him do something and then bring him in and thank him for doing it instead of starting it now."},{"start":1817.56,"end":1819.38,"text":"I just wonder if, uh, some of those things will be overreacted."},{"start":1819.4,"end":1822.74,"text":"I mean, just, you know, everybody that you've been brushing up, you can have a little change, but if you don't want it, I don't think you're going to be able to do it."},{"start":1822.76,"end":1824.17,"text":"I think you're going to be able to see the opposite of your last name."},{"start":1824.19,"end":1824.29,"text":"Okay."},{"start":1824.31,"end":1824.41,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his senior staff, including H.R. 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