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Start Date: 22-Apr-1971 2:40 PM

End Date: 22-Apr-1971 3:35 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Ziegler, Ronald L.Rogers, William P.Maroon, FredWayman, Stan

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:50:49

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:33:10

486-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, William P. Rogers, Fred Maroon, and Stan Wayman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:40 pm to 3:35 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 486-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 486-5

Date: April 22, 1971
Time: 2:40 pm - 3:35 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

     The President's schedule
          -Upcoming meeting with House Republican loyalists
               -Daniel Kuykendall
               -Additions
               -Support for the President
               -Senate meeting
               -Clark MacGregor
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         -Size of group
         -Ideal number
         -Size of group
     -Number of meetings
         -Satisfying group
     -Upcoming meeting with House Republican loyalists
         -President's possible role
         -President's talk                                Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
               -Vietnam
         -MacGregor
         -Mood of unknown meeting
               -Upbeat

Agriculture Secretary
     -Qualifications
           -Salesmanship
     -Under secretary

Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP]
     -Director
           -John B. Connally view
                 -Admiral George W. Anderson
                      -National Security Council [NSC]
           -Anderson
                 -Appearance
                 -Qualifications
           -William P. Rogers
Ambassadors
     -Rogers
           -Australia
                 -Edgar D. Whitcomb
                 -John N. Mitchell
                 -Maurice J. Williams
                      -Whitcomb
                             -Indiana

The President's previous meeting with Robert J. Dole
     -Dole's trip to New York
     -George H.W. Bush

Stock market
     -Rise
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             -Outlook
             -Value
             -Institutions
                   -Portfolios
             -Wealth
             -Borrowing power
             -Economy
             -Theory                                                    Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)

[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Polls
             -Welfare
                  -Question regarding menial work
                  -Opposition to President's plan
                  -Wording of question
                  -Availability of jobs
                  -Manual labor
                  -President's work plan
                  -New York and Washington axis
                  -Menial jobs

     The President's forthcoming speech to Chamber of Commerce, April 26, 1971
          -Welfare
               -William L. Safire
                      -Instructions
               -Guaranteed income
               -President's position
                      -Guaranteed income
                            -Effect on character
               -Patrick J. Buchanan
                      -Instructions
                      -1966 speech
                            -Medicine, housing, jobs
               -Safire

     The President's remarks at Republican Governors' Conference, Williamsburg
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        -Welfare
        -Previous meeting with Republican House leaders
              -John W. Byrnes
                   -Wilbur D. Mills
                   -Votes for administration
        -Television coverage
              -Benefits
        -Press                                              Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
        -Leftists
        -Reaction
        -Menial work
        -Guaranteed annual income
              -Dole

Polls
        -Welfare
             -Question regarding menial work

The President's schedule
     -Meeting with Rogers

Rogers's forthcoming trip to Middle East
    -Itinerary
           -Cairo
           -Beirut
           -Tel Aviv
    -[Unintelligible]
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**********************************************************************

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 22s ]

    ISRAEL
                                                                    Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

**********************************************************************


         General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

    The President's schedule
         -Meeting with Rogers
              -Henry A. Kissinger
              -Melvin R. Laird
              -Kissinger and Laird

    Rogers's relations with Kissinger

    People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative
         -Press release
               -Kissinger
               -State Department
                     -National Security Council [NSC]
               -Credit for PRC initiative
         -Press

    The President's remarks at Republican Governors' Conference, Williamsburg
         -Welfare
              -Noel C. Koch
                     -Unknown speech

    Unknown person
        -Niece
             -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
             -Spain
             -College
             -Secret Service agent
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                    -Secretary
               -Language capabilities
                    -Spanish and French
          -Anecdote

     The President's conversation with Tricia Nixon
          -Edward R. F. Cox’s comments
               -Radicals at Harvard University                   Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
                      -Violence
                      -Rennie Davis
                      -Violence
                      -Reports

     The President's forthcoming speech to Chamber of Commerce
          -Self-help
                -Development of capacity
          -Safire

     Welfare
          -Unknown man's views

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:40 pm

     The President's schedule
          -Meeting with Rogers
               -Kissinger
               -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                      -Note-taking

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:22 pm

          -Previous meeting with Connally
               -Note-taking

     Rogers's forthcoming trip
         -Kissinger’s concerns
                -Haig
                     -Note-taking

     Sub-Cabinet officials
          -Connally
          -Need for instruction
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            -Harry S. Dent

Dent
       -Television appearances
             -South
       -Speeches
       -President's programs
       -Former Democrats                                   Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
             -Dent’s speeches

Personalizing program
     -Speeches
           -Republican efforts
                -John D. Ehrlichman

Democrat and Republican parties
    -Differences
    -Democrats
          -Personification
    -Republicans
          -Process
    -Democrats
          -Government
          -Politicians
    -Connally
          -Use of personal terms

President’s schedule
     -Unknown meeting

Speech writing
     -Programming
     -Selection of source materials
          -Example
                -Flag

Mrs. Paul W. Heatwole
     -Knitting of flag
     -Democrat
     -Newspaper story
     -Silent majority
     -Meeting with the President
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           -John O. Marsh, Jr.
           -Presentation of flag to the President
           -Age
           -Open-door hour
                -September 1970
     -Staff

The President's previous speech to Daughters of the American Revolution
                                                                 Conv. No.     April
                                                                           486-5
                                                                        [DAR],   (cont.)
                                                                                     19,
     1971
     -Flag reference

Mrs. Heatwole
     -Democrat

The President's schedule
     -Upcoming meeting with Rogers
          -Kissinger's view regarding Haig
                 -Note-taking
                 -Purpose
          -Rogers's possible intiatives

Personnel
     -Coordination
          -Rogers
          -Mitchell
                -Anti-trust case
          -Staff
     -Kissinger

Networks
    -Anti-trust case
         -Mitchell
         -Ehrlichman
         -President's position
         -Ehrlichman's view
         -Mitchell's conversation with Haldeman
         -Ehrlichman
         -Memorandum
                -Charles W. Colson
         -President's position
                -Possible suit
         -Merits
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                 -President's position
                 -Mitchell

     International Telephone & Telegraph Corporation (ITT)
           -Anti-trust case
                -Mitchell
                       -Political implications
                             -Solicitor general                         Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
                -Ehrlichman

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 3:22 pm

     The President's schedule
          -Upcoming meeting with Rogers
               -Press photograph

     Rogers's schedule
         -Organization of American States [OAS]
         -London

     The President's schedule
          -Rogers
               -Photograph session
                      -Haldeman

[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Demonstrations
         -Arrests
         -Press
         -Ziegler’s schedule
               -Briefing
         -Judge George L. Hart, Jr.
         -Philip A. Hart
               -Senate resolution
               -Mall
               -Vote
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                -Quorum
           -Possible use of administration allies in Senate

     [Thomas]Hale Boggs
         -Tapping of phone
              -Forthcoming statement
              -Oil industry
              -Unknown woman                                             Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
              -Personal life
         -Russell B. Long

     Desegregation
         -Ziegler's morning briefing
         -Agencies
               -Violence
         -Schools
               -Administration policy
                     -Cooperation over coercion
         -Jail
               -Cooperation

[Transcript #3: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

Stephen B. Bull entered and left at an unknown time during the transcribed portion.

Rogers, Fred Maroon, and Stan Wayman entered at 3:32 pm

     Greetings

     Photographs
          -Location
               -Indoors
               -[Rose Garden]
          -Press
          -Weather

[Transcript #4: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
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court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]
     Haldeman's schedule
           -Photographs
                                                                     Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
The President, Haldeman, Ziegler, Rogers, Maroon, and Wayman left at 3:35 pm