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John Wilkins suggested that we might have a fight and give a briefing on one point, one subject, one topic, about a 30-minute briefing.

It was about what the government's doing in giving jobs to youth, returning GIs, and other groups.

On Tuesday, after the same day as Academy, you meet at, uh, there's a

National Center for Voluntary Action Reception, over here.

It starts at six, runs about one hour.

134 members, about one hour to go up.

Do you want to have a receipt?

Do you want to receive that?

Yeah, I don't know.

I'll go ahead and talk to them and receive it.

Okay, good.

I'll do that.

We'd like to hear it.

Thank you so much.

Sure, anybody you want.

And press coverage on that?

No.

Not at all?

I don't want any press, but if God knows the reception today, I don't want anyone else.

I don't want any press that's got anything.

Just put it out there.

It's that center of voluntary action.

There we can have press coverage.

I mean, we're just supposed to... That's right, you don't need to make... We try to play that press that's not good, and they be there, and they're around, and they shoot pictures, and they expect something.

This is for the purpose of buttering up the guy that runs it, that's all.

Yes, okay.

The last segment is from the worship service for Mother's Day, May 9th.

The girls that were there, and only girls, they said, we're pushing for a black, but I don't think, I ever won a black minister.

Mother's Day?

Yeah, I said, I don't think that's...

They come under no circumstances.

He's got one.

We've got another one that's supposed to be here.

We've got a couple of suggestions.

The last time you talked to me about it, you said, let's have some more Catholics.

We are heavy on the Catholic side.

We've had three Catholics.

They should do very well, unfortunately.

They're obviously very concerned.

If you've got a Western Protestant man, I had no objection to having a black Mother's Day.

If they could get that good one that Graham talks about.

It doesn't make any damn difference.

We don't care who they are.

You know, these are just throwaways anyway.

So, Jeremy?

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

And you got one of those frames.

Really good.

Oh, man.

I don't care.

I'm sure that it's going to be a bad scene.

One of the intent of the clause she asked me to check on that, which I did some time ago.

He's available.

He had a heart attack a year ago, so he's operating at a reduced pace.

But he's around and he's available.

And Penny Adams is going to be talking to his agents to sort of check their reaction to Iowa State.

Right now, we're not finding any more clients.

He's still performing, though.

Yeah, he's back performing.

He was out of circulation.

Great.

just gave me, Red Blunt called and said, Elton Stevens, who's going to be in one of these quick five-minute open-door hours today, he's a no-goodnik, he's in Alabama, he's the head of the Medal of Honor League in Alabama, I guess he's a political foe of Red Blunt's, but he's just going to leave him there.

He's always fighting.

But we were fighting the congressman, and the congressman's bringing this guy because he's part of this little group that's coming in.

Rick said there's no problem.

Just don't get into a conversation with any of the guys.

It's not an invitation to a chamber of commerce.

It's secure in the way we're doing now.

I'm sorry for the accomplishment of the understanding that it's not going to happen.

I actually don't know.

Rick just wants to be sure.

This is what you get involved with.

Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.

Ah, you tell Ron, there, I mean, that's somebody else, maybe there's a...

I can't remember.

I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember, I can't remember.

It's, Richardson's committed to reporting on the White House Youth Conference at the next conference.

Let him do it and then once he's at the Youth Conference, if you want to cut the $2400 advance, I mean, I want to, I don't, I don't want him to submit it to me.

He wants it to be cut.

So put a mark on what he thinks should be cut.

I just want to know what he wants cut.

Then I'll, then I'll probably look at it and then call him and talk to him.

He says, I want to know what he thinks should be cut.

And I don't know what I'm really talking about.

If you get to call him on the phone, he'll tell you about a paragraph.

You mark it on there and say, I don't know, whatever it is.

The party wants to cover it, or she basically wants to cover it.

All right, we'll move.

We're just not as smart as that might be.

There might be a benefit to not the youth conference.

Is there a way we can do it?

Well, just by rejection and report out and do it the way we did the obscenity one.

I say this is a disgrace to the hell with him.

When is your report getting here?

Well, the report wouldn't be here, but Elliot has assured the conference that he will report on the conference to the cabinet at the next cabinet meeting.

That's good.

So we should let Elliot do that and not have a...

I wouldn't have much, or so long.

It would be so negative, so it's a little...

I know, I think maybe on, yes, I was trying to rough on him.

Maybe it's just probable that the congressman raised the point with me.

He didn't want to pass.

I just got the impression, Bob, that the invitations were too heavily loaded, as usual, for the kind of schools, in other words, that we didn't get.

You know what I mean?

There are some better schools.

There really are.

They had better schools there.

The problem is they went through a big, a lag of processes.

So, like, Peterson was, you know, he was the chairman of one of the task forces, and then he resigned when he came into the government, of course.

But, uh...

Okay.

He said it was just unbelievable.

His task force consisted of a black guy named Gino, who was taken off the streets of Harlem, who was about as radical as they'd come, and a Mexican-American from Wisconsin, and then some girl from someplace who was, two hours after she had met him, sleeping with the Mexican-American from Wisconsin.

They couldn't get him out of the sack.

He didn't come to the meetings.

And, you know, he went through this, he said, it's just terrible.

Oh, that is not typical of American youth.

Of course not.

No, don't believe him.

That's right.

We should have polled.

We should have, instead of trying to look representative, which is what they did, we should have gone for a square youth conference.

I love this.

That's right.

Just have young people like 4-H clubs.

That's exactly what I was going to say.

You're not probably more major than the 4-H clubs.

Why not have them?

I'll bet there wasn't anybody from 4-H there.

I'll bet there was.

But the 4-H would have a chance against these people.

Okay.

I was too rough on that, so I forget it a little later.

I think we've got to shoot the thing down.

If it gets any...

Yes, it's got a hell of a lot of guns.

Not very much.

It's not gotten very much, and if it doesn't, then we ought to just leave it not getting any, which is the right place for it to be.

Excuse me.

Did you get that right on the bench, too?

That's very important.

Okay.

I was here, so I had to get it down.

Al was fully up on it.

Then what about us anyway?

What are we going to do?

We can mine.

I'm excited on Volpe.

We can't be moving on Volpe.

We've got to do mine.

Grab your rochers and meet me there after the first opportunity.

And catch him before he goes to Earth.

Tell him we've got to move.

And we have to eat.

And give it a space all the way back there.

We've got to move on Volpe.

We've got to move it fast.

I think it's very important for me to feel, you know, very confident, you know, and it's less, as least irritated as possible.

We've got an awfully good group now, and, you know, we're going better.

If I could get anyone out of the military.

And I think that's a good...

I was on the verge, we were playing chicken with each other, I was on the verge of calling him and I didn't because it was really an accident that I didn't and that I was going to call him and I found out he was out of the building.

I was in the late afternoon.

Oh, I thought you were here.

No, I was here till about four thirty.

That time I thought I met Bob and said you were gone.

That's why, because the man you were about to meet is still alive.

That's what I'm saying.

Oh, is she, or no?

Yeah.

Well, the thing that is very important to me, and I think this is terribly important, is that you get that message to, in order to show my, quickly, I just don't hate to see

Well, I have held it up because, oh, about our contacts.

You see, the problem is, Mansfield thing looks to me like, I think the minute they get this thing from Mansfield, it's a formal request they'll invite me.

And I kind of need to see, I just don't want to see Mansfield be the first American invited, I can't say, by the Democrats.

Well, already, does that worry you?

I am impressed by the fact that the Chinese haven't played it like the Russians would.

They haven't played it for cheap little angles.

On the other hand, Jeterberg Hansfield said in Cheatham's letter that Cheatham said that they would welcome him and his wife and send a date whenever he wanted.

Oh, yeah.

So if you don't tell me that they mean that.

No, no, I believe they mean it.

And that was before Hansfield sent his letter.

Well, what I'm getting at, Henry, that's a question of what he's trying to say.

They're not going to do it.

Oh, well, I don't think it's easy for us.

First of all, we need a channel where we can talk to the Chinese.

That's an imperative.

I agree.

But what about having somebody in terms of the public?

I mean, the first man going to China, the public man being Mansfield, doesn't that bother you?

Well, it bothers me.

It bothers me.

Why don't I get to remain here then?

It's maybe too late now.

I thought you thought we should just, thought we were going to just send a message.

Well, you told me on Monday you didn't want me to do anything.

I want to send a message to indicate that you're alive and on these visits.

How are we going to say it?

I'm going to say that this is a very delicate place in our time in our relationship and that

And the official contacts we strongly recommend should be with the government.

I won't even mention Mansfield.

Yeah.

On the interstate, Mansfield is a building, not an armory.

And Mansfield, who, without a question, go out and talk to all the press that we arranged, we worked with.

So it's not going to be a question about our, we'll say this is a bipartisan, we can handle it, we can deal with it.

And if he goes, we may be able to set it up as we did it with Muskie.

After all, it's obvious now that the Russians didn't tell Muskie a damn thing, that they did play our game.

They saw him for a long time, but he got absolutely no mileage.

That's how it is to the quads.

Muskie had a damn big show in Moscow.

Yeah, and also in Manistew.

Manistew is just going.

We'll be in a story.

Anything, Muskie, everything in Moscow.

Everybody in Moscow.

Manistew, this is a very big...

Anybody who goes to China, as we can now see, is an enormous star here.

It's like going to the moon.

It really is in China.

So what we need...

I just can't...

I think that any of us will go.

You know what I mean?

I believe it goddamn high.

And there's no reason to screw around with this thing.

And we're playing for very high stakes now.

And the major game on this one, if they're not going to be major,

They'll probably invite him, I have to add, because they sent out that sealer before even the ping-pong thing.

They told that to that Truman Maynard.

Well, this, they haven't, but that Sheena thing is clearly there.

She says, I'm authorized to inform you that the Prime Minister would welcome him.

You and Mrs. Mansfield showed a great, and that was before his people were sent to Joe Mansfield, showed great characters, and said that he would not follow up on that as he was starting to do it.

He's now having sent an official message to Sheehan, and we're waiting, I mean, Joe and I are waiting for a response, so.

I don't know if that's a good information.

Oh yeah, no, they'll deliver a message.

I'll send a message saying it is a delicate,

How about having Waller see the Chinese ambassador in Paris?

Well, that's the next thing I want to do, but the trouble with that is, Mr. President, that channel isn't tested yet, and they take such a long time.

And I have that in mind.

That's the channel we've got to get.

And I'm going to channel directly to the White House.

So that any time you want to pass a message to them.

This can't be done through steps.

This is what we all understood.

That's what I meant.

What I'm part of is the same thing.

I'm just here to see Mansfield over.

It's Mansfield.

The time to get through the reports back and through state and everything else.

We've got to have this directly to the White House.

We've got to control this situation.

The quickest way, I think, is through the Romanian.

I will tell them the Chinese are very subtle.

I think we should tell them that this is a delicate and hopeful state in our relationship and we are willing to set up a separate channel to them from the White House.

And that until that channel functions, we think it would be best if

political visits were kept at a minimum.

We have to be careful that this stuff... We can't indicate that we're blocking hand-sealed visits.

We believe that political visits should be required on a bipartisan basis.

Why don't you put it that way?

Yeah, but I'll make clear to Buck that we really don't want any political visits.

I don't think so.

And I think we ought to make clear that at this time, the best... That political visits should be

should be just agreed upon.

Or to say the best way to proceed now is on a government-to-government and people-to-people basis, and that the political side should... We're completely open on it, but it should be controlled.

If it takes place, it should be bipartisan.

I'll get in that.

And I'll get that off the deck.

I think it's important.

As I happen to know, they went down the line.

I think it is.

We've got this one under very good control.

I suggested to him over a year ago that we could go.

So he's so weird, and he'll play it that way.

He'll be our envoy.

Yeah, but it has to be somebody from the other side.

It's a question of whether it's somebody on the other side that's the point.

Mansfield will say that 16 months ago, the president, he discussed it.

It'll be clearly our initiative.

And you've told him at least five or six times since then.

I think it's better that he go than one of the candidates.

And much better that he go?

Oh, absolutely.

Then let's go.

Okay.

Right.

I'll let you know.

What is the situation on the brain when we see him?

I'm seeing him at one o'clock.

Well, I'm over at the map room.

And he said he wanted to see you.

Yeah.

This will be it.

Oh, I think I ought to be very tough as them.

I mean, if he doesn't have anything, that's being tough.

There's nothing now that...

I mean, they either go ahead and solve in the summit or they don't.

There's nothing else.

As soon as... Well, oh yeah, they'll accept it.

The North Vietnamese.

Tomorrow at 2.30.

And then he will then ask them, suggest that they year-end.

He'll suggest, uh... My dad and my mother can't agree.

Yeah, they'll be giving them two days.

Either May 9th or May 16th.

That's how the date may succeed.

I just feel it's very important to get this done, Henry.

Don't let it rest.

They're not going to change anything by the 16th.

Oh, no.

If you lay it off till then, nine.

Right, okay, we'll say the nine.

They may still come back 16th, but we'll... You say you're going to be there on May 9th, then you better sit.

They come back and say the 16th, then you do the 16th.

Don't offer them two days, they'll take the seven.

Okay, we'll keep them for the night.

Yeah.

I'll get the... Yeah, I think for May, you better get that done.

Yeah.

All right.

We're done.

Yeah.

Well, I have nothing but an idea.

I got to talk to Alton about his youth conference.

He said that's a fine, splendid group of young Americans.

Disgusting.

Unbelievable.

Did you see this?

No, I know you don't watch Hollywood.

This fellow, Hubbard, the head of these veterans, turns out he's a phony.

He said he was a captain who had flown missions.

Turned out he was a sergeant who was a mechanic with airplanes.

The black guy who was the one of the two leaders of this veteran's side.

No, he did it this morning on the Today Show, and it was so revolting, he made it look like, he said, now that I have explained the discrepancies in my story, I call on the government to explain the discrepancies in their story.

Who brought it up?

I don't know.

Apparently, this fall, they put it in the front row, because that was put in front of the country.

The real star is Kerry.

Kerry, he is.

He did a hell of a big job on that.

He did extremely good.

He did a superb job on that, the foreign relationship that he has with Kennedy.

Thank God.

He looks like Kennedy.

And he talks exactly like Kennedy.

He was a Navy Lieutenant J.G.

on a gunboat.

And he used to run his gunboat up and shoot babies out of women's arms.

Oh, okay.

He was in the Navy.

It's not called service in Vietnam, which you well know.

He was only over there for, I think it's four months or five months.

I think he didn't have any characters in Vietnam except in the air.

Well, this guy got a...

Purple Heart with two clusters and the Hungry Star.

He's got a hell of a bundle of lettuce up here.

The imposing thing now of the opponents is what they really are saying now is to turn it over to the communists.

And I think we ought to hit them on that rather than on that line.

What's the, did you see their program last night?

I didn't see it.

I've got it set to release it this morning.

No.

They put on their program.

I forgot about it.

At 10 o'clock last night, I picked up the log to see when it was on.

So they go on at 9.

Go on at 1.30 when it's on.

At 19, that's not fair.

I let it go.

And what they are saying is, war's only end if you turn.

prisoners only come back if you end the war.

Well, on this basis, we could have ended the war in 1942 with the Germans.

They didn't have a one-line line and Scoot Humphrey's line was that we, that the guys in our team, were pretty sharp in the whole thing.

Yeah.

With your strong support, that's not going to wash over people.

Yeah.

When Eisenhower left,

there were 300 people or 400 people in vietnam working in the embassy or out of the embassy a typical military mission no one sure i mean no one can convince the people that there's no difference between 400 and 550 000. yeah or between canada 16 000 if you want to take a lesser

Well, I think the Republicans will start spiking the hell out of them on that, but there's no, they're not going to get anything out of that.

What's your, what would you think in your staff meeting is Colson's crowd going to kick the hell out of them on their program, or just leave it alone for a while?

There's not much to do.

There is much to do on the program.

There's no point building up the program.

They said the same things they've been saying all along.

It got them a little more audience than they get on the news, probably.

Maybe not.

What was it, BBC?

Yeah.

Oh.

They didn't have as many as I had with the conversation.

Oh, no.

It was not.

It didn't happen.

It's still, it's a lot of people, but it's...

I know, but compared to what we had, we only had 10 million.

Our recession came up, I would say, in the month of May.

This is the end.

I talked to the other...

It's amazing how they're building Hubert up.

He completely stole the show there, Andres.

He's twice as big a man as anybody else, and all the play has been on Hubert since then.

They gave Hubert the lead position on the TV thing last night, which is 5-0.

infinite margin the best shot because that kind of a show which is so dull people turn off and drive by the trillions you know so the first guy up is going to get three times the audience or ten times the audience the last time again and uh that's not all bad as you were built up but then we gotta start getting ready to be the most responsible of these guys

He's the hardest to attack on irresponsibility.

Well, not really.

No, Henry, he's on and off.

He can be responsible one day and he's not responsible the next day.

His volatility is, of course, very volatile.

He has no consistency.

None at all.

The Australian ambassador was in yesterday with the Australian foreign minister, who's here.

And he said he's been traveling around the country.

And he said you'd be surprised, because I don't know what he knows,

you'd be surprised how much support you have, but the trouble is that in every town that he's visited, the opponents are well-organized, and your supporters, who have a sort of great feeling of wanting to support, don't have anyone to rally around.

And he said the only one that's out fighting is the president, and he said that's wrong.

That's right.

And I didn't know...

But this group of congressmen told me...

I didn't know the guy.

They said you're the only one that can do this.

Oh yeah, it's discouraging.

And these are our fighters.

I guess they get discouraged probably.

Like yesterday, they had five senators on, and Colson was very excited about it, and they all did very well.

They didn't get a goddamn thing in the news.

They did a hell of a job.

That was a range of senators, you know, a great range.

They had Saxby and Saxby and Scott, and they didn't get anything in the news, did they?

No.

Well, it was in the news summary magazine, but they mentioned minimal coverage right on.

It was minimal coverage.

Ziegler was in there just wanting to complain, remember?

He said, the problem is, all the only spokesmen we have up is Rainwater from the BFW, and that's a lousy way, lousy spokesman to have.

And I said, well, that's just fine, but why doesn't your TV put on the other people who were speaking?

They all went up to the TV, obviously.

Was that theirs?

Yeah.

Well, they wouldn't put on the tag.

Why didn't they put the sacks behind?

They put rainwater on because rainwater's a typical old winner.

He's a good guy.

He's in the best motion.

Well, it's an outrage that 800 veterans, of whom I'm sure a significant percentage are ponies, get five minutes on national television every night.

Well, they've got about six paraplegics up there, the whole bunch, and that's kind of everything you're even thinking of.

All those guys out there had no legs.

Richard?

Because they keep talking about the paraplegics, and they write these nauseating stories about the guy that went to the hospital because his leg was bothering him, and he couldn't, they wouldn't let him have a wheelchair to come back and join the demonstration.

Yeah.

In Nebraska.

Yeah.

They're writing these very human interest type stories.

Absolutely.

They're playing it pretty cool right now, and it just events.

They may not be able to control it.

That's the main advantage.

But now, hell, they gave in on their Rock Creek Park fight.

I'm going to do it to stop the business thing.

That'll be violating laws.

How did Sullivan do?

He did well, but he didn't give him much play.

He gave Kennedy the play on that, which is what Bill said they would do.

He said, so Bill's going to go on today.

Bill's doing a press conference.

They've got to fight him.

Sure.

I'm sure he gets the questions.

I don't know if he will.

I don't know if he'll fight us.

What they'll probably play on Bill is they'll try to get him across to Vice President and play that.

Yeah.

Well, let's not be downhearted about it.

You know, the main thing is, Henry, you got to agree with this, and we got to keep it all in perspective.

I must say, the meeting with our congressional hawks, dude, we felt better with them.

Senate people.

These guys all want out, too.

Fortunately, about three-elevens of us, there are five Southerners there.

They're guys that still talk about, well, we want a little honor.

I would say if you were to poll the whole Congress, you'd only have, and probably the whole government, you'd only find a lot of appointees.

You'd only find 10% to take the

May urine throw back to an essential American tradition that these guys won't pay the price for their own irresponsibility either, things then go wrong.

We got a group up there behind me.

One of our guys said they'd back out, but McCartney, remember McCartney, the book, the marker, the poor son of a bitch, said, I have it.

He said, there are so many in the state for him to drive.

He said, his number was too small, I said.

His number was too small.

And yet, day after day, they would ask him, where's the cruise center?

And he'd bring in papers, a whole lot of proof.

They would spread the proof, but Bob's a spy, and he provided the information.

And they made the son of a bitch come home.

I figure this press corps is a bunch of bastards who should never have even been in a swimming pool.

I mean, I really think they should be out there.

I'm telling you, we were discussing this last year.

They should have left the water in.

Well, that's the big thing that I think on China.

Oh, yes, Opato, did you see his column today?

Oh, yes, I did.

Oh, yes, I gave it to him.

And he used it, and it makes it perfectly plain that you were the leader.

And that's trickling through.

Now, let's see what the reference...

We have to get this over.

I really mean it.

We've got to take it off and say, we're truly going to go over and take care of this thing.

We have to work on it.

One of the Vietnam things that we've got to have, we must.

Frankly, we should play the other anyway.

We should keep picking and play no matter what we do with it.

They want to lose.

They cannot justify themselves unless they're communists in Saigon.

And they're already starting.

You already see the kids saying that the military and economic aid have to be stopped, too.

Sure.

That's going to be the next round.

So there's no placating them.

He must be an honest man.

He's an honest man.

I'm sorry.

and the letter to Chavis.

Chavis has been kicking me in the balls every day.

But there's been quite a few times I've looked at Chavis.

He does something for me real strong.

I do something for him.

And it's not that Chavis does not, will not appreciate that.

Chavis is a clever guy, sir.

And he will not appreciate swallowing over him when he knows he's kicking him, sir.

He will not.

He will appreciate hearing

and if he thought there was anything we weren't doing, he should let me know that we should be doing.

Did he want to take any initiatives that he wasn't taking?

He said, absolutely not.

You're doing exactly the right thing.

And that's what I meant.

Bruce.

That's the one.

Bruce.

No, no.

Bruce is the guy I spoke to.

No, I told Bruce, please tell us, are there any offers we can make or should make?

He also said, I said, our story is getting through, perhaps on ceasefire.

He said, it's not because we're not making it, it's the press won't report anything.

It was a very beautiful cable.

That man is strong.

He had the subordinate, the negotiator we've had, who has never harassed us.

I know.

Oh, it's true.

Spunker, if he wouldn't, well, you'd expect it from him.

I know.

He and Barker are the two great men in the service.

The only two great ones left.

They're above 70.

Russia's all right with me.

Russia's good.

No, Russia's... And he's smart.

He hasn't got that experience yet, but Russia's done a good job.

But he is capable of being a debunker or a bruiser.

Oh, yeah.

I thought that in the second term you might consider Russia's head of the CIA.

At any rate, he's done a superb job.

Oh, Henry, I've got one thing I'd like to do.

I'm going to get Lincoln out.

He has not been affected politically, and he's not worth a damn in the NSC.

I want to go ahead and get out and make hardline speeches for you, and I think I'd like to put Andrew

not to try this man-in-the-world, but that isn't so important.

The one argument against it, and I like Anderson, is you've got the Navy as chairman of the Chiefs, and the Navy guys are very...

Although Anderson is better, Lincoln is just nothing.

I like Anderson better.

Chapman is a bit of a blowhard, but it would take the effect.

He's a good speaker.

But either one of them would be good.

I don't know.

Anderson.

I believe in this rap.

Chapman gives a good rap around things, sort of presentation, emotional.

I know.

Good.

I mean, he comes up like this, this team that does, you know, everybody else does, except me.

I believe they have, you know, a colleague that I can link to as well.

You know what I'm saying?

Chapman gets a better rapport.

On television, I can't tell.

On television, understatement sometimes comes across better.

But under Anderson, there's no understate either.

And Anderson is doing a good job for UFC.

Well, let's see.

Except for the one that you can assess better than I, that it is not as good as it is.

Exceptly the Army is getting off to the brink.

They have not any good force.

They're terrible.

I mean, I know this is a job that I have to do, but it has nothing to do with that.

That's right.

What can you do about it?

Okay, let me know what you're doing.

Yes, I'll see you in a minute.

My question is, you've got to get something done.

Oh, yeah.

You can.

But that's something too.

It's a better way to put in drafts back and forth for three months.

That's right.

There's only one issue with that.

I believe it rocks down technically if I don't have some equipment.

Anything else we can.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also, the other issue is about sun.

too, you know, crazy about, you know, repression and all that sort of thing.

Repression's a big issue, don't you think?

That's fine.

They're killing us now, but I've got to leave.

That's right.

And just, you just see it every day.

You run, you run one day and you get trying.

There's a couple of

And immediately over to John, don't you think?

But so is what the other people are saying.

The veterans were.

the Prime Minister would let him come, and I'll bring the Foreign Minister, and he won't come with the Foreign Minister, so he doesn't come.

Thank you.