{"conversationCode":"487-008","tapeNumber":487,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-487-008","startDateTime":"1971-04-23T17:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-23T17:19:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Apr-1971","startTime":"12:19 PM","endDate":"23-Apr-1971","endTime":"12:19 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at 12:19 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 487-008 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 487-8\n\nDate: April 23, 1971\nTime: 12:19 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Open door hour\n               -Deaf child\n                      -Communication\n                      -Lip-reading\n                      -Age\n\nBull left at 12:19 pm.","filename":["487-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:40:23","tapeEnd":"02:41:43","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"487-007","nextCode":"487-009","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":9.3,"text":"His first arrival at Dura is death-sickness."},{"start":9.32,"end":10.72,"text":"He's growing in a way that you can communicate with him."},{"start":10.74,"end":10.98,"text":"It happened."},{"start":11,"end":13.16,"text":"Just, just, James has to."},{"start":13.19,"end":13.81,"text":"He won't have it."},{"start":13.83,"end":14.21,"text":"Let him be the one."},{"start":14.23,"end":14.53,"text":"But he's left."},{"start":14.55,"end":15.01,"text":"He knows that he does."},{"start":15.03,"end":17.73,"text":"He just knows that a few landslides to his parents."},{"start":17.75,"end":18.52,"text":"He's only two years old."},{"start":18.9,"end":19.46,"text":"Probably."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to discuss logistical arrangements for an upcoming public engagement involving a two-year-old deaf child. The conversation centered on the child's communication abilities and potential interactions during the meeting. The President specifically considered how to facilitate a comfortable environment for the child while managing the broader constraints of his daily schedule.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Deafness","Communication","Public relations","Stephen B. Bull"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T21:53:03.243Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","deafness","communication","public-relations","stephen-b-bull"],"audioDurationSec":22,"audioFiles":[{"file":"487-008.mp3","bytes":521612,"durationSec":21.67,"bitrate":192551,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:48.989Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/487-008.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/487-008","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/487/conversation-487-008","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}