{"conversationCode":"488-012","tapeNumber":488,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-488-012","startDateTime":"1971-04-27T14:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-27T14:16:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Apr-1971","startTime":"10:05 AM","endDate":"27-Apr-1971","endTime":"10:16 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Fletcher, James C.; Belson, James A.; Fletcher, Fay; Fletcher, Ginger; Fletcher, Mary Susan; Fletcher, James S.; Bennett, Wallace F.; Anderson, Clinton P.; Curtis, Carl T.; Miller, George P.; Teague, Olin E.; Fulton, James J.; Low, George M.; McCurdy, Richard C.; Bentlye, Helen D.; David, Edward E., Jr. (Dr.); Whitehead, Clay T. (\"Tom\"); Kriegsman, William E.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Paine, Thomas O.;","description":"On April 27, 1971, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, James C. Fletcher, James A. Belson, Fay Fletcher, Ginger Fletcher, Mary Susan Fletcher, James S. Fletcher, Wallace F. Bennett, Clinton P. Anderson, Carl T. Curtis, George P. Miller, Olin E. Teague, James J. Fulton, George M. Low, Richard C. McCurdy, Helen D. Bentlye, Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., Clay T. (\"Tom\") Whitehead, William E. Kriegsman, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Thomas O. Paine met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:05 am and 10:16 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 488-012 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 488-12\n\nDate: April 27, 1971\nTime: Unknown before 10:05 am - 10:16 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nH.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman met with James C. Fletcher, Judge James A. Belson, Fay Fletcher,\nGinger Fletcher, Mary Susan Fletcher, James Stephen Fletcher, Missy Fletcher, Wallace F.\nBennett, Clinton P. Anderson, Carl T. Curtis, George P. Miller, Olin E. Teague, James G. Fulton,\nGeorge M. Low, Richard C. McCurdy, H. Dale Grubb, Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., Clay T.\nWhitehead, William E. Kriegsman, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Thomas O. Paine; the White House\nphotographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting.\n\n     [General conversation]\n\nThe President entered at 10:05 am.\n\n     Introductions\n\n     [General conversation]\n\n     [Camera noise]\n\n     Oath of office\n\n     [Applause]\n\n     Photo session\n          -Fletcher's family\n                -Children\n\n     [Camera noise]\n\n     National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]\n          -Importance\n\n     [Camera noise]\n\n     Space\n\n     [General conversation]\n          -Cabinet meeting\n\n      Presentation of gifts\n           -Presidential cuff links\n           -Presidential bows\n                 -Seal\n           -Judge Belson\n\n     Farewells\n\n     [Applause]\n\n     [General conversation]\n\nBelson, et al., left at an unknown time before 10:16 am.\n\n     President's schedule\n           -Possible meeting with Fulton\n                 -Dwight D. Eisenhower\n                 -Scheduling\n                 -Space\n\n     Space\n          -Future\n          -Ideas\n          -Fulton's activities\n                -Pennsylvania delegation\n\n     Fulton\n          -Congressional career\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/21/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[488-012-w001]\n[Duration: 3s]\n\n     James G. Fulton\n          -Chairman Nixon for Pennsylvania\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     James G. Fulton\n          -Congressional career\n     -Bob [Surname unknown]\n          -Health\n\n     President's schedule\n           -Possible meeting with Fulton\n\nFulton left at 10:16 am.","filename":["488-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:48:23","tapeEnd":"00:59:40","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. 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(\"Tom\")","Kriegsman, William E.","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Paine, Thomas O."],"prevCode":"488-011","nextCode":"488-013","transcript":[{"start":56.73,"end":59.83,"text":"We have a threat."},{"start":59.85,"end":60.34,"text":"How far are they coming?"},{"start":60.36,"end":60.62,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":60.64,"end":60.9,"text":"I'm too late."},{"start":182.4,"end":185.71,"text":"We'll be right back after the break."},{"start":449.23,"end":473.77,"text":"We want to get all of you prepared here for this ceremony."},{"start":571.08,"end":593.69,"text":"In fact, sometime I've been asked to come and see if he doesn't have anything to say."},{"start":593.71,"end":594.41,"text":"But we'll see if I can work it out."},{"start":594.43,"end":594.73,"text":"A future space."},{"start":594.75,"end":595.15,"text":"Yes, a future space."},{"start":595.17,"end":595.29,"text":"Ideas."},{"start":595.31,"end":596.21,"text":"Everything from security to growing finances."},{"start":596.23,"end":596.71,"text":"I think you'll enjoy it."},{"start":596.73,"end":597.93,"text":"I've given a lot of thought on the ranking number there now."},{"start":600.19,"end":604.57,"text":"I know you are."},{"start":604.59,"end":604.73,"text":"I know."},{"start":604.75,"end":606.42,"text":"And I'm very proud and inspired to realize that all of you are special."},{"start":631.05,"end":636.42,"text":"He had this terrible diabetes, and he got gangrene of both feet."},{"start":636.44,"end":637.84,"text":"He was told to stay off of them."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon hosted a ceremonial event in the Oval Office for the swearing-in of James C. Fletcher as the new Administrator of NASA, attended by Fletcher's family, members of Congress, and administration officials. Following the photo session and official proceedings, the President discussed the importance of space exploration and future policy ideas with attendees. The meeting concluded with a private discussion regarding Representative James G. Fulton’s congressional career and potential future scheduling.","topics":["NASA","James C. Fletcher","Space policy","James G. 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