{"conversationCode":"489-030","tapeNumber":489,"conversationNumber":30,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-489-030","startDateTime":"1971-04-27T00:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-27T00:51:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Apr-1971","startTime":"8:30 PM","endDate":"26-Apr-1971","endTime":"8:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On April 26, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:30 pm and 8:51 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 489-030 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 489-30\n\nDate: April 26, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 8:30 pm and 8:51 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President dictated a memorandum for George P. Shultz.\n\n     Appropriations\n         -Freeze\n               -Russell B. Long\n               -Republicans\n               -Budget\n               -Administration policies\n\n     Schedule\n          -Emil (“Bus”) Mosbacher, Jr.\n               -Coral Sea\n               -President's position\n               -Gerald R. Ford","filename":["489-030.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:38:48","tapeEnd":"05:40:20","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"489-029","nextCode":"489-031","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":13.24,"text":"I wrestle along today, as you will recall, and has been raised by a number of our senators."},{"start":13.3,"end":21.63,"text":"As there are difficult budgetary considerations involved here, we debate this reexamination of our policy."},{"start":22.02,"end":46.79,"text":"I take that re-examination and then see if we can do the best we can to our friends."},{"start":46.81,"end":47.41,"text":"There was a moss macker today."},{"start":47.43,"end":48.53,"text":"He told me that the rivers were going on the Coral Sea."},{"start":48.55,"end":51.54,"text":"Perhaps we may have offered this to him and turned down the opportunity for somebody who I would like to have further exploration made to see whether"},{"start":51.52,"end":59.55,"text":"Through Congress, Senator, to Jerry Ford, on the one hand, and through him."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George P. Shultz met to discuss the management of budgetary constraints and the administration's fiscal policy in relation to key congressional figures like Russell B. Long. The President sought to navigate complex appropriations challenges by re-examining current policies to better support political allies. Additionally, they touched upon scheduling matters involving Emil Mosbacher, Jr., the Coral Sea project, and coordination efforts with Gerald R. Ford.","topics":["Budgetary policy","Appropriations","Fiscal restraint","Congressional relations","George P. Shultz","Gerald R. Ford"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T21:59:39.538Z"},"topicSlugs":["budgetary-policy","appropriations","fiscal-restraint","congressional-relations","george-p-shultz","gerald-r-ford"],"audioDurationSec":60,"audioFiles":[{"file":"489-030.mp3","bytes":2392607,"durationSec":59.68,"bitrate":320707,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:48.989Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/489-030.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/489-030","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/489/conversation-489-030","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}