{"conversationCode":"489-034","tapeNumber":489,"conversationNumber":34,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-489-034","startDateTime":"1971-04-27T00:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-27T00:51:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Apr-1971","startTime":"8:30 PM","endDate":"26-Apr-1971","endTime":"8:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"United States Secret Service agents;","description":"On April 26, 1971, United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:30 pm and 8:51 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 489-034 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 489-34\n\nDate: April 26, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 8:30 pm and 8:51 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nUnknown people (Secret Service agents) met.\n\n     President's location\n           -Bowling alley\n\nThe unknown persons left at an unknown time before 10:11 pm.\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 489-35/491-1\n\nDate: April 28, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 9:28 am and 11:03 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Rose Mary Woods.\n\n     Memoranda\n        -Number\n        -Tape\n\n          -John D. Ehrlichman and H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n          -Copies\n\n     Frederick Stone\n          -Louis Stone [?]\n          -Letter\n          -Louis Stone (sp?)\n          -Family\n\n     Woods schedule\n         -The President’s schedule\n              -California\n         -Kentucky Derby\n\nHaldeman entered at 9:30 am.\n\n          -Timing\n\n     Memoranda\n        -Ehrlichman\n\n     Woods schedule\n         -President's schedule\n               -California\n         -Kentucky Derby\n               -Jack Whitney\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:28 am.\n\n     President's schedule\n           -Henry A. Kissinger\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:30 am.\n\n     Woods schedule\n         -Kentucky Derby\n              -President's schedule\n\n     Kentucky Derby\n          -President's 1969 visit\n                -Ehrlichman and Secret Service\n                -Departure\n\n           -Woods schedule\n               -Roses\n\nWoods left at 9:31 am.\n\n     President's schedule\n           -Possible meeting with Gerhardt Schroeder\n                 -Kissinger                               Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n                 -Dr. Rainer Barzel\n                       -Kissinger’s view\n          -April 29, 1971\n                 -Civil Service Commission\n                       -Jayne B. Spain\n                             -Scheduling\n                 -Forthcoming press conference\n                 -Spain's appointment\n                       -Significance\n\n     Unknown black admiral\n         -Press story\n         -Leonard Garment\n         -President's schedule\n               -James E. Johnson\n         -Appointment\n         -Press story\n         -Gen. James D. (“Don”) Hughes\n         -Johnson\n               -Forthcoming meeting with the President\n\n     Press story\n           -Baltimore Sun-Times\n                 -[Forename unknown (sp?)] Sinnelli\n\nKissinger entered at 9:34 am.\n\n     Stock market\n          -Volume\n          -Dow-Jones average\n\n     Kissinger's schedule\n\n     Forthcoming press conference\n\n           -Preparation\n                 -Patrick J. Buchanan\n           -Questions\n           -Format\n                 -Talking points\n                 -President’s view\n           -Answers to questions\n           -Preparation                                         Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n           -Questions\n           -Buchanan, John A. Scali, and Ronald L. Ziegler\n                 -Briefing book\n                       -Possible questions and responses\n           -Scali\n                 -Input\n           -Richard A. Moore and William L. Safire\n           -Format\n\n     People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n          -Message from Chou En-lai\n               -Agha Hilaly\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Military activity\n          -Casualties\n                -Press reports\n                      -Numbers\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.\nPowell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this\ntranscript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]\n\n     Youth conference\n          -Clark MacGregor\n          -Recommendations\n                -Homosexuality\n                      -Consenting adults\n                -The President’s view\n          -Elliot L. Richardson\n                -Report\n\n            -Stephen Hess\n                 -Cabinet meeting, April 27, 1971\n                      -Alexander P. Butterfield\n                      -Role\n\n     Cabinet\n          -Meetings\n               -Hess                                            Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n               -Richardson\n                    -Youth conference\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.\nPowell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this\ntranscript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]\n\n     Gays\n            -Allen Ginsberg's call to Kissinger\n            -The President’s position\n            -Problem\n            -Boy scout leaders\n            -Young Men’s Christian Association [YMCA] leaders\n            -Teachers\n            -Societies\n                  -[Unintelligible name]\n                  -Oscar Wilde\n                  -[Unintelligible name]\n                  -Nero\n                  -Vitality\n                  -Romans\n                  -Greeks\n            -Legislation\n                  -The President’s view\n            -Discretion\n            -Ginsberg's call to Kissinger\n                  -Gay liberation\n            -Ginsberg\n            -Public policy\n            -Issue\n\n     Youth and Society\n          -Drinking\n                -18-year olds\n                      -President’s view\n          -Swearing\n                -Girls\n          -Men\n                -Drinking and swearing                   Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n                      -Masculinity\n          -Swearing\n                -Girls\n                      -Femininity\n                -Dirty stories\n         -Jewish religion\n                -Old Testament\n                      -Drinking\n         -Prostitution\n                -Legalization\n                      -Barriers\n                -Girls\n                -Love\n          -Morality\n                -The President’s view\n          -Beliefs and disbeliefs\n          -Homosexuality\n          -Marijuana\n         -Drinking\n         -Prostitution\n         -Decadence\n         -Communist societies\n                -Personal morals\n                -Ethics\n\n     PRC\n           -Letter from Chou En-lai\n                  -Secrecy\nKissinger left at 9:54 am.\n\n     Memoranda\n        -Ehrlichman\n        -Haldeman\n        -Woods\n\n           -Cancer policy\n                -Ehrlichman\n                -White House staff\n                -President's conversation with Elmer H. Bobst\n           -John B. Connally's speech to Chamber of Commerce, April 27, 1971\n\n     Cabinet\n          -Clifford M. Hardin                                Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n          -John N. Mitchell\n                -Effectiveness\n          -Public relations efforts\n                -The President’s policies\n                -Harold L. Ickes\n                      -Effectiveness\n                      -Republicans\n                -Connally's speech to Chamber of Commerce\n\nKissinger entered at 9:55 am.\n\n                      -Reception\n           -Support for the President\n                -Ickes\n                -Dean G. Acheson\n                      -Harry S Truman\n                -Dean Rusk\n                -John Foster Dulles\n                      -Dwight D. Eisenhower\n                -Connally\n                -Maurice H. Stans\n                -Hardin\n                -James D. Hodgson\n           -Optimistic outlook\n           -Herbert L. Block\n                -Connally\n           -Administration strategy\n\n     Cancer program\n         -National Institutes of Health [NIH]\n               -Bobst’s view\n               -Funding\n               -Accomplishments\n               -Bureaucracy\n\n      -Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.\n      -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.\n-President's State of the Union address\n      -Funding\n-Credit\n      -Public relations\n      -President's name\n      -Rogers C.B. Morton                      Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n-Slogans\n      -Safire\n      -Peace Corps\n            -John F. Kennedy\n            -William D. Blair, Jr.\n      -\"Open skies\"\n            -Eisenhower\n      -Administration programs\n      -Medicare\n      -Health\n            -Richardson\n      -Heart program\n      -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy\n-NIH\n      -Memorandum\n            -Cole\n                  -George P. Shultz\n                  -Ehrlichman\n      -Funding\n      -Dr. Henry S. Kaplan\n            -Stanford University\n            -Background\n                  -Research\n-Bobst’s view\n      -Bobst's views\n-Agency\n-Purpose\n      -Cure\n      -Public relations efforts\n-Administration objectives\n-NIH\n      -The President’s position\n      -Salaries\n      -Research\n\n                -Mice\n     -Credit\n          -Public relation efforts\n\nAdministration programs\n    -Nixon legacy\n          -Nixon Doctrine\n                -Foreign policy                       Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n    -White House staff\n    -Public relations\n    -Need for slogans\n    -Speechwriters\n          -Safire\n          -Public relations efforts\n    -Ehrlichman and Shultz\n          -Cancer initiative\n          -Special funds\n    -Space program\n    -Atomic energy\n    -March of Dimes\n          -Franklin D. Roosevelt\n          -Polio\n    -White House staff\n    -Cabinet officers\n    -Spokesmen\n    -Need for public relations\n    -White House staff\n          -John A. Scali\n          -Cole\n          -Ehrlichman\n          -John C. Whitaker\n          -Excitement\n\nMemorandum\n   -National Center for Voluntary Action leadership\n        -Edwin D. Etherington\n        -Unknown man\n        -Staff\n        -Professionals\n              -Left-wing Democrats\n              -Backgrounds\n        -President's reception for April 27, 1971\n\n                 -Unknown California man\n                       -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n           -President's meeting, April 27, 1971\n           -Etherington\n           -George L. Grassmuck\n           -Robert H. Finch\n                 -Location\n           -President's reception                        Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n                 -Attendees\n                       -Jaycees\n                       -Boys Club\n                       -Farmer\n           -Etherington\n                 -The President’s view\n                 -Plans\n                       -East\n                       -Charts\n\nKissinger's schedule\n     -California\n\nWhite House staff\n     -Need for public relations efforts\n          -Abilities\n     -Congress\n\nCabinet officers\n     -Meetings\n     -Public relations efforts\n     -Reflection of President\n     -Richardson\n           -Report on Youth conference\n\nYouth Conference\n     -Report\n          -The President’s view\n     -Hess\n          -Cabinet meeting\n                -Previous attendance\n                     -Reasoning\n          -Ehrlichman\n          -Cabinet meeting\n\nCabinet\n     -Youth Conference\n          -Richardson\n     -Hodgson\n          -Jobs\n     -Hess\n          -Possible letter                           Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n\nYouth Conference\n     -Dialogue\n          -Kissinger’s view\n          -Richardson\n     -Administration's position\n     -Youth\n          -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II's views\n                -Ivy League\n     -Richardson’s view\n     -Haldeman’s view\n\nForeign relations\n     -PRC initiative\n\nPress conference\n      -Briefing\n            -Buchanan\n                 -Leadership\n\nCabinet\n     -Press\n     -Administration counterattacks\n           -Connally\n           -Robert J. Dole\n                -Role\n           -Richardson\n           -Hodgson\n           -Stans\n           -William P. Rogers and Melvin R. Laird\n     -Rogers’ press conference, April 23, 1971\n           -Southeast Asia\n                -The President’s policy\n           -Vietnam\n\n               -Possible US military activity\n                    -US options\n               -Television\n\nGen. George A. Lincoln\n     -Tenure\n     -Reassignment\n          -Kissinger’s role                            Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n          -Ehrlichman's view\n     -Ambassadorial appointment\n          -Spain\n          -Latin America\n          -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]\n                -Robert F. Ellsworth\n                -Andrew J. Goodpaster\n\nOffice of Emergency Preparedness\n     -Director\n           -General Leonard F. Chapman, Jr.\n           -Maj. Gen. Earl E. Anderson\n           -Politics\n\nVietnam\n     -Democrats\n         -Henry A. (Scoop”) Jackson\n         -J. William Fulbright\n\nCabinet\n     -Effectiveness\n     -Hardin\n          -Bryce N. Harlow's views\n          -Farm organizations\n          -Accomplishments\n                -Farm bill\n          -Replacement\n                -Farm Belt\n     -Foreign policy\n     -Domestic scene\n          -Stans\n          -Mitchell\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 05/21/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[489-035-w007]\n[Duration: 44s]\n                                                             Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n     Cabinet\n           -Domestic scene\n                -John N. Mitchell\n                      -Campaign\n                      -Timeline of departure\n                -Maurice H. Stans\n                      -Timeline of departure\n                           -Republican National Committee [RNC] finance\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Cabinet\n          -Commerce Department\n                -Peter G. Peterson\n                      -Role\n                            -Charles H. Percy\n                      -Possible activities\n          -Benefits\n                -Camp David\n                -Gifts\n                -Trips abroad\n                      -Stans\n                            -Remarks\n                            -Athens\n          -Peterson\n          -Connally\n          -Qualifications\n          -Peterson\n                -Loyalty\n                -Publicity for the President\n          -Opportunists\n                -Walter J. Hickel\n                      -Color\n\n                     -Dismissal\n          -John A. Volpe\n                -Tenure\n                -Donald H. Rumsfeld\n          -Peterson\n                -Possible role\n                -Connally\n                -Commerce Department                         Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n\n     Ambassadorial appointment for Volpe\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8\n[National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number LPRN-T-MDR-\n2014-008. Segment exempt per Executive Order 13526, 3.3(b)(1) on 04/30/2019. Archivist: DR]\n[National Security]\n[489-035-w008]\n[Duration: 1m 10s]\n\n     ITALY\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Volpe’s possible activities\n          -Public relations\n          -Compared with Clara Booth Luce\n               -Publicity\n               -Congressional opposition\n                      -Argentina\n\n     Ambassadorships\n         -Congress\n              -Luce\n              -Lewis L. Strauss\n\nCabinet\n     -Connally\n          -Congressional opposition\n     -Hardin\n          -Replacement\n          -Harlow\n          -Purdue University\n          -Cattleman                                   Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n\nOffice of Emergency Preparedness\n     -Lincoln\n           -Tenure\n           -Replacement\n     -Director\n           -National Security Council [NSC]\n           -Administration spokesman\n     -Lincoln\n     -Chapman\n           -Mrs. Chapman\n     -[David] Kenneth Rush\n     -Political ability\n     -Public relations abiltiy\n           -Speeches\n                 -Lincoln\n                 -Price denial\n                        -Lyndon B. Johnson\n     -Rush\n           -Berlin negotiations\n                 -Possible US position\n                 -Timing\n           -Cabinet\n\nCabinet\n     -Rumsfeld\n     -Volpe\n     -Rumsfeld\n          -Trade negotiations\n\nPeople's Republic of China [PRC] initiative\n     -The President’s previous letter to Chou En-lai\n           -Mohammad Yahya Khan\n                -United Nations [UN]\n\n                -Negotiations\n          -The Chinese response to the President’s letter\n                -Mao Tse-tung and Lin Piao\n                -Chou En-lai\n                -Pakistan\n                -Possible visit\n                -Chou En-lai’s comments\n          -State Department’s knowledge                       Conv. No. 489-35/491-1 (cont.)\n          -The Chinese response to the President\n                -Text\n                      -Negotiations\n                      -PRC position\n                      -Taiwan\n          -The President’s latest letter to Chou En-lai\n                -Direct negotiations\n                -US position\n                      -Taiwan\n                -Yahya Khan\n                -Direct negotiations\n                      -Topics\n                           -Taiwan\n                           -US position\n                           -Southeast Asia\n                      -US proposal\n                           -Meeting\n                           -Attendees\n                           -Agenda\n          -Timing\n\nThe conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 11:03 am.","filename":["489-034.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:42:25","tapeEnd":"05:44:09","participantsList":["United States Secret Service agents"],"prevCode":"489-033","nextCode":"489-035","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":24.25,"text":"Let's go, Frank."},{"start":24.27,"end":24.47,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Secret Service agents gathered in the Oval Office to coordinate logistics and escort procedures for the President, who was located at the White House bowling alley. 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