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I have a question on whether you want to suggest you might want to leave and see him tomorrow.

Does the Navy want to leave the story of the West Coast papers today and get a lead ride tomorrow and then announce it tomorrow to get another ride the next day?

I don't think that makes any problem.

We don't have a list of those stories.

And you just give us a double ride, Ron, just so you might want to get it.

Sure, Ron, I'll just leave it at that.

No, no, time's a person.

I'm going to cover the whole thing.

It's time's a person.

I mean, it's an L.A. story, really.

Yeah, very probably.

Good.

Then McCracken has Ezra Solomon in town today.

I'm going to bring him in just to say hello.

All right.

Pete Peterson.

I'm going to see you to discuss the Japan trade strategy.

which is at a critical stage and he wants to consult with you before he takes further action.

So that's, and it must be today.

As another question, what does that do?

Is your strategy regarding .

Someone said .

I could send a trigger and write him back, you know what I mean?

Oh, it's a paper.

I disagree.

I want to compromise personally.

I want Harlow to be strictly, that is, critically, absolutely strictly, we must have political problems.

He and all the rest of the time, we're the four of us.

Yeah, we're the four of us.

You know what I mean?

Sure.

Not this year.

Now, I'm at the right time.

Yeah.

I don't want to talk to him a little about that sheet.

I want to spend some time with him because that is a complete mess when you send in a paper with five options and it is an option paper at all.

That's right.

And the point is there are three options that were not the right ones.

It's really gets down to the future.

The only thing I can't refuse to do is send me in a whole damn thing, and I might as well let the hell out of my head and stand for it.

But be that as it may, I'm going to get the views of comedy.

I'm going to get the views of horror, mainly because it's a political problem.

And as the other people said about the two that did study this through, it gets down to the internet.

They're all of it.

The domestic council believes this, and I have to hell with the domestic council.

It's a sure problem.

You know?

They don't know anything about it.

It's a whole political problem.

It involves state.

It involves, frankly, inter-government.

It involves politics.

That's all.

There's a bubble.

There's other people who will be held.

What the hell do they know about the issue?

You know how tough, you know how hard the issue is, isn't it?

That's the God damn risk we face.

And that's the biggest lobby in Washington, the most racist.

I mean, on both sides.

Both sides.

Versus that whole lobby.

So you don't want to hear either.

Are they worse than the other?

Oh, yeah.

Hey, maybe it's sugar.

I know they're very tough.

Sugar photos, both sides.

Like I said, the message about it came in, and each foreign country has a huge lobby bill, and they fight and scratch and fight and so forth and so on.

So what I mean is, at this moment, if our guys are in the game with that, you know, I think commonly it will be tough enough to be able to take the time to read that paper and harble and all.

And those two, it's not his fault, he just got in one fight, it's uh... What, some of my planning again on the fighting, you know what I mean?

I mean, I'm certain, I've been on the Japan trade.

I'm glad you can know something about Japan.

I know.

Tell us about this.

It's a real hard thing for people to get involved in too many deals.

It would be good if Schultz came here with Solomon.

He's a great friend of Solomon.

He's done a hell of a lot of work in the industry.

I don't think it's good at all.

It is good.

The reason he has five options is he's a hell of a cop.

I don't know.

I'll figure it out.

The other, or another possibility, although I think the beat's out of town anyways.

We've got the Vice President, Conley, Sands, Schultz, and Peterson are all speaking to the Business Council Friday and Saturday.

I have a question.

What issue might one vote with them as a group before they get out of the state?

Well, I'll tell you one thing.

I'm going to get a call from the business council this time.

They meet all the time.

Not asking you to.

Yeah, well, I know.

They meet all the time and everything.

Why the hell do we have to send everybody down there now?

Well, they, we just make an update and we get money out of that.

And the whole point of the business council is supposedly to send money.

No.

I didn't see much of that.

I don't know.

I was hoping so.

I'm like you.

I mean, I'm all for it.

We sucked around it when I met him over here.

Conny went out and spoke to him before, you know.

You went over there.

Now, God damn, Pop, there's just so much you could do.

They weren't that good.

We always sent a whole team of a bachelor's.

We did it three months ago.

We just did it three months ago.

That's my point.

I wouldn't let Conny go this time.

He didn't last night.

Get him off.

He's busy.

Unless he really wants to go.

He's probably booked and probably wants to.

All right.

I think we're overdoing it, the business council.

He arranges those.

They're overdoing it.

I mean, I, there are other businessmen in the business council.

Second, the business council, except for two or three, have not been very helpful to us when we refine.

They really haven't.

I'm not gonna count them.

So, sending that many people to it, well, that's my point.

Give them two, not four.

See, don't you agree?

That means five, we have five in our district.

I'm going to get that done.

Too many?

No more than two and a half million people?

No, except for Congress.

Congress, they always send them down.

No more?

Too many?

Not a million more.

No money.

I'm true of it.

It's not going to be next year.

Years from now, the more I've got to get them.

They just shake hands with those same people over again.

It's like that damn thing we had with the volunteers.

I know a mentalist falls and shakes their hands.

He says, Christ, you've done it.

That's all.

The damn thing is it becomes a tradition, you know, that every year they come into town every month and they have to meet the president.

Every month they've got to meet the president.

You've got to have a reception or you've got to go over there, buddy.

So that's what by and large he noticed that they could be busted that way.

That's what it is.

It should be trusted.

You should.

It's ridiculous.

Even the meetings that you have with the science advisory.

We knocked that down.

And so we have to do something for it on that.

But that, if I have an arrest, it's the same thing we have with the cabinet and the rest.

Let's have meetings where they're in the interest of accomplishing something, right?

Do something.

why should i have that quadrant meeting

I thought maybe tomorrow or the next day, but I think that since we'll get out, it'll look like we, it's too much of a crisis.

I think we ought to have it next week.

Quadrant, I mean, just set a week from, say, if they have it next Wednesday, just say that, no, Thursday, excuse me, or Tuesday, you know, any day that you like.

Right.

Good sense.

I think you could find out if I used to want to hear it.

I told them today, I picked up that alarm, dropped it yesterday, and I was even ready.

What was the situation today?

Did they have any more actions?

There's going to be a, they're going to, if the Congress at noon was to think about that, well, that's the plan.

Whether they do it, I'm not quite sure, but they've followed the plan pretty much up.

The theory is they're going to demonstrate over there at the Capitol for 12 minutes until the People's Peace Treaty is signed.

So they're demanding the Congress sign.

That's just this peace treaty that they've signed with North Vietnam.

And no permit.

The best estimate is 2,000 demonstrators struggled very likely.

They've planned two meetings tonight to plan, that was last night, to plan demonstration activities.

We don't, I haven't had a late reading on what came out of that.

This is granted the federal employee's permit.

After all, before they left the stand, they couldn't get a base for an injunction permit, so they didn't grant one.

So that's what they're going to do.

That's the new amount here today.

There will also be the students of Shelton College

I'm on the sidewalk in front of the White House.

It's in New Jersey.

They're demonstrating favor of the war.

They're going to be on our side of the street and other people are going to be in the park.

I'm afraid it has something to do with Carl McIntyre.

And McIntyre is having a victory next Saturday.

Sunday.

It's coming Sunday.

Victory by the 4th of July at 6 o'clock.

Can we get in here and go get our employees?

I guess you can.

I should get them all the pictures.

Just get guys with loose things so that they don't... Do they have a plan to do anything?

We sure have good intelligence, don't we?

I don't know what's going to happen.

They had, in the suite yesterday, they arrested Abby Hoffman.

They got Dr. Spock, as you know, the day before.

They got all the other, the veterans, the guy that had posed, the black, who had posed as a, well, I mean, as an Air Force captain and turned out not to have been a captain.

They arrested him.

I'll be damned.

So they scooped up, they got all these people in these nets, you know, they took them along to the fishmonger, and they also discovered much to their horror.

They got two or three Washington Star reporters and a couple of life reporters, according to one reporter, I noticed that you wrote an article this morning.

Well, they let them out when they told me about it.

Well, the life reporters didn't go out.

They were delighted to be in.

I think there's a lot of photographer in there, too, so that means a lot of fiction.

Well, they had a big issue regarding the nude dance.

That was one of the big things in the stockade is that a lot of men and women took off all their clothes and did some sort of operation.

Well, the reporters certainly

I've got to damn well understand that if they're in there and they're told to move and don't, they're going to get picked up.

I noticed that most of us are screaming about it.

Nicholas Von Hoffman, help me out, Jesus Christ.

Why do they carry that song with them?

Because he says the kind of things they like to say.

He says it with total irresponsibility.

That's right.

They had a reporter in there, so he was a Vietnam Marine veteran, an associate editor in the Society of Pictures of the Dead.

But they let that out because they found out who they were, right?

It's not the whole business about repression and so forth.

Don't you think it's on that side?

Has anybody thought, you know, I mean, maybe it occurred to you that you put some of these guys in the spot.

Why doesn't somebody introduce a resolution if you can't get a resolution?

That's a letter.

Supporting the President on the handling of the demonstrations.

You know, we ordered something like that.

Or, you want to embrace the Chief of Police.

Or, embrace the Attorney General.

Do you know what I mean?

Couldn't even think of either idea.

There's been any speeches that have been made yet, supporting us or on this or not.

Yeah.

The speeches don't mean they're going to do it.

No.

I mean, the resolution or letter might.

Maybe it is worth a problem.

I just thought that it might get them thinking about it.

That's my point.

I think really even Sam Urban went through a big transition of praising the

The whole operation, justice, the administration, the police, everybody for him.

He's a great defender of constitutional liberties in Madison.

What do you praise?

The handling of the demonstration.

Overall.

The whole, you know, it was a very, it was a sweeping praise.

Well, one thing I was going to say there, Pat, what a compliment.

It sounded wise.

I need that luncheon.

He said they were all...

I'm sorry for that man, right?

She said Mrs. Irwin.

Mrs. Stannis came through line.

She said, you know, for the sake of our country, they were scared.

Do you really think this is good?

We may have more going for us than you think here, Bob.

We shouldn't be afraid of it.

That's my point.

Let me put it this way.

I know what it is that you're going to run into all this.

You're going to run into people with overreactions and all that sort of thing.

You're not going to get accustomed to that anymore.

No way you're going to avoid it.

That's right.

So therefore, play it hard.

Play it responsibly.

But play it hard.

And don't back off from it.

I make it.

You see, they all went back to the San Jose thing, you know, forgetting that San Jose was fine except for the goddamn silly speech, you know.

Carving that bill, everything we've been living on, home free, we all are inside.

Nobody's raised that analogy, and I think there's been no thought of backing off.

Don't back off.

The whole line has been, stay firm.

They probably get credit.

Well, that's my point.

See, I want to make an asset of it.

I don't want to be doing the base as well.

We're sort of sitting here in battle and doing the best we can.

I think the idea here is really to show, well, you see, maybe, it may be that we're setting an example, Bob, for the, for universities, for other cities, and so forth and so on, right?

Take a look here.

These people try something awesome.

Generalize the duty of your people.

Yeah, goodness.

I think all the way forward, yeah, we can stick with that all the way to show.

In other words, let's be proud of all the people that are out there.

I don't think there is.

I don't think there's some folks out there that have to be a compromise today.

And you'll have a foundation on that.

And he'll think that's what we're trying for.

That would be good.

And, uh,

I don't think they realized they were doing them a disservice, but I think the Newsweek coverage hurt the demonstrator.

They had them to show this rural theater, so their faces all painted up.

And via conflag, this kind of thing, in color, very vivid color pictures.

So, we'll get back to it.

That was the first of last week's stuff.

They don't have it this week.

Don't you think they'll have quite a bit this week, too?

Oh, sure.

They'll have to.

I would guess that the time Newsweek covers this week would probably be cheap.

Well, if something happens the other part of the week, some news story, but they have to go pretty much with what's in by Wednesday.

I would think that might be the...

It might be the story, maybe not.

I'll do the job.

You got it.

You know, Muskie sent those oranges down to the veterans, to the group on Saturday, and he didn't even go down himself, but he sent oranges down.

Colson ordered some oranges for him.

Colson sent oranges out yesterday from Muskie.

Get it out.

I don't know whether it's out yet or not.

He'll get it out.

He just ordered a couple of cases of oranges.

I don't know how mentally he knows that stuff, but he...

It's good, you know, he's been around the district here so long.

He has a lot of contacts and he, as a local guy, he can get stuff done here.

And he's got no, he's going to get caught in some of those things.

And he has been caught.

But he's got a lot done that he hasn't been caught at.

And he gets those guys, you know, something like that going.

Which is just as well, we've got some stuff that's just coming in about to, through, uh...

Excuse me.

No, through Chapin's crew and Ron Walker in the advance.

And we've got, we've got, uh, CR plans in, uh, from you two.

In advance, we've got some of our guys who've got a... What we've got is a, is a guy that nobody, none of us knows except Dwight.

who is just completely removed, there's no contact at all, who has mobilized a crew of, I don't know what it is, he's starting to build an application for the campaign next year, an author, yeah.

And this guy is a real conspirator type, who can sort of... Watch Houston.

No, he's a stronger guy.

Houston is a state in the background that says you've got to get out.

What do they do with him?

They were the ones that did the Nixon signs, for instance, when Muskie was in New Hampshire.

Everybody thought that was great.

You know, things of that sort.

Some of that.

They're going to stir up some of this big, complicated business.

Colson's going to do it through hard hats and legionnaires.

What Colson's going to do, what I suggest to you, and I think they can get over this, do it with the teamsters, just ask them.

They've got to do it.

They're eight thugs.

And I'll just call, what's his name, 5th sentence is trying to get, play our game anyway, is just tell this.

And they've got guys that go and knock their heads off.

Sure, they're murderers, guys that really, you know, that's what they really do, like the steelworkers have.

And, except we can't deal with the steelworkers at the moment, we can deal with the tinksters.

And they, you know, it's the regular strikebuster types and all that, and they...

and types and just send that in and beat the shit out of some of these people.

And hope they really hurt, you know.

I mean, Gould was a little, smashed his nose in.

It was a pretty good fight.

It's interesting to know that they picture a guy on a post with a reporter and they say, you know, looking back, you know, I didn't see that.

So much the best you can.

It's obvious the Post is going for a feelin' surprise on their coverage of the thing or something, because they're just filling in, you know, a ton of all these stories and everything else.

They just don't want to work away.

They're just going to come here, they're just going to tell you all these people.

They have some good footage of the big mob out in the Justice Department.

and some close-up.

Fortunately, they're all just really bad on the people.

There's no semblance of restriction.

There's not as many spokesmen as there was for the veterans here.

No, there's not.

Randy Davis has been a spokesman, and he's good for us.

He's a convicted conspirator and discredited.

I think Abbie Hoffman and Miss John, the other Chicago 7 guys, they got him.

But that sort of takes, aren't the Chicago 7 all Jews?

David's a Jew.

I don't think David's a Jew.

Abbie Hoffman is.

And so are the Lugins or whatever it is in Seattle they got him.

He has about half of these.

He had one shot in the police's club and he got hit.

It doesn't do us any good, but you can't avoid that.

They're about to get one somewhere along the line.

Most of it was very much the other way.

And I think people probably recognize that.

And there was, you don't have anything like in Chicago, if you remember.

It was a totally different kind of thing there.

The policemen were just, they were really ruthless.

They had good reason to be.

But these cops don't come even to that.

I'll let you remember.

All our workers on Porter.

They all worked for Porter.

We thought the public was not on their side.

The public was on their side with the cops all the way to July.

And this time the public's going to be on the side.

But I'd like to see some congressmen and senators here.

Well, maybe they won't come out for me, but they could come out for Wilson, couldn't they?

Yeah.

I don't think we can get them to come out.

Okay.

This is the thing on the, uh, the employees for peace thing.

They, uh, put 500 people in and they filed a permit, so they've got to do it.

I get an injunction because we have to show that it represents a clear threat to security in the White House.

We're getting an injunction.

That's what it's generally going to be, because all that activity is managed, you know what I mean?

College people are going to start.

They were saying go through Saturday.

So they are going to be out there today.

I don't know why.

I don't know.

I don't know what some preacher talks about.

I don't know about immediate victory in Vietnam.

Military victory.

All of them.

Not really.

No, I mean, it changed.

It had to.

It was changing.

Two weeks ago, everybody was worried about the goddamn veterans and so forth.

And this week, they're on the side of the cops.

They're going to be people.

Well, I think we're too much on the side of the veterans.

The fascinating thing is that full of ours, which shows the shit back.

The 48-40 approval of Vietnam, President's handling of Vietnam, uh, you know, shifted just the other way, just that we could have better had a demonstration.

That's all.

That's really what happened.

It sure shows the effect of the television barrage, which is all it can be.

That's the only way they can do anything about it.

That's the thing.

We shouldn't give that much of a play outside of Washington.

What's that called?

Yeah.

And that was before, that article was taken before they threw the medals over the fence, which was the most effective of period.

On TV.

Yeah, the one that dropped me.

The drop.

The drop, yeah.

The 45, sure, the day before the plane.

And on this one, yeah, it's the same year.

I think you're going to have to...

I think there's one or two, there's almost three.

Any more now?

That's it, you can't...

That ought to be a national.

Could I suggest that the Legion and the FW should have that as a national project?

Is that in the blinds?

Anybody that would care to tell me?

You know, that's part of their growing line.

Wouldn't that be a good idea?

How could we do that?

It's just a million people.

They're lying upside down here, burning and so forth.

The hell would we do?

You let them start with that.

Yep.

Cool spring.

It's supposed to warm up now today.

It's up to seven.

I wonder if the Congress today will really get out of trouble.

I don't know, sir.

They can just move in a host of Congress somewhere.

They've got to find something.

The congressional police are probably going to try.

The capitol police will try to help out.

I don't know what their plan is.

At least it hasn't, for some reason.

You see the thing about the, the story about the bomb in the bridge over here?

It turned out that it wasn't a live bomb, it was fake.

What about the test tube?

It was there.

It was, you know, like the syrup one.

It was a fake one.

These people run.

Yeah, I'm sure you'll be sure.

Don't they?

Yeah.

Their technique was theoretically non-violent, but trying to shoot somebody down with regard to violence, you know.

Oh, almighty.

The worst thing I ever heard.

What was it?

I guess they had their copies of Madagascar.

No, no, no.

They're not necessarily the first runner of the Congress.

They didn't have, the last week, they just wanted a few of them to be determined.

They didn't have any demonstrations?

Well, the second was second.

No, the third was the main, no, the half was second.

Yeah, and that was small groups.

That was small groups.

So you're talking about barraging vans.

Well, they may decide to crank it up.

It's going to be a big day.

Oh yeah, this is going to be a big day.

That's the situation reporters get scooped up for.

Reporters would be illogical.

They're there to cover.

If you circle, which is then the tactic they've used, if you move or disperse, they don't, then they circle and arrest everybody inside the circle.

And the thing is, they're moving fast under the vans, and, uh... Now, they've changed that tactic now.

They won't get any more press, because the press guy always will show his badge, of course, unless he wants to be arrested.

Some of them probably wanted to be.

Some of them probably purposely didn't show their badge.

They wanted to be, so that they all were going to float in the grass.

To be pulled into his car.

And Eisenhardt College is trying to get me to make a fundraising.

And I've got Julie putting the pitch to it.

And I'm going to do it.

A lot for the Eisenhardt.

And I've got to do something with Bob Hope's Eisenhardt Center in the desert.

That Eisenhardt College is one small college.

I'll be goddamned if I'm going to go there.

Yeah.

And they're just milking.

Oh, this is Eisenhardt.

Yeah, she said it on her birthday.

Using all of her prestige to try and

She calls Julie.

Oh, my.

After all, there isn't any sort of crap

That was just your weekly get-together that we had scheduled for yesterday.

Pete Peterson, and then this group that's part of the business council.

It was just a, you know, what's the line, or is the name of the line, it's Cognizant.

To get Cognizant, that's still not necessary.

We don't have to do the Lockheed thing.

The Lockheed thing doesn't have to be done.

I don't have to do it.

No, I don't.

I want Cognizant to go with the creation.

I want to go to Cognizant to get it done.

I didn't do it anyway today.

I only did it one more day, so I don't think he's going to do that much good.

He said he'd announce it Tuesday.

We've got to say, I didn't do it.

I think you're right.

I didn't believe he was going to do it.

Today in Los Angeles, it's all the same.

It doesn't matter anyway.

It's my job.

It's got to take good care of it.

Yes, if I had to do it every day, one more day isn't going to make that much difference, probably.

Peterson wanted to talk about the Japan trade there.

Does he say he has to know about it today?

He's at a critical stage.

He needs to consult prior to taking any further action.

Yeah, okay.

And because we don't have anybody in there.

Ken, you can start guiding.

He gets down on his feet all the time.

His wife, Kirsten, has his own understanding of the whole thing.

She's a 13-year-old.

When is that finding?

Finding is the one to stay with.

Finding is better.

I'm going to try to do these this morning and the evening after.

I'm going to clear that.

I think that Peter's the one too important for exciting because I don't think he's a hell of a lot of value.

So, uh, Tom wants to come over right now.

Well, I think probably the risks have not come today.

He's busy with his...

Yeah, there's no pressure.

I'll leave it to you, Mitchell.

I'll take the box and fill it.

I'd let it, but I'd let it dry today.

If you do it tomorrow.

Watch your head.

I've got water 10 degrees from the flood.

Okay?

Ah, okay.

All right.

If you want, I'll see you.

We'll meet again, then.

Yes, sir.

a clear day on the agriculture thing.

Do I speak outside?

No.

To the dinner?

No.

You go to the agriculture department on Friday morning.

We have a seminar that we just opened.

Do I have to expect the speech then?

Do I have to do something?

Remarks?

Just what in the hell is out there?

I don't have to go out there and take one.

Is this something?

What is it, just a barricades administration that goes and drops civil services at the time of the program?

I'm not going to comment upon that.

This is the one where you don't...

I don't want to say a word.

We've never done the ceremony.

It's not through the ceremony.

Yes, we were only going to just come in for a picture.

Well, I broke your open.

We should put chairman in.

We broke it.

You might wish to comment.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm not going to... See, I don't want to make a speech about these men.

I don't want to do it.

Name Senator for your signature to the head senator.

Well, with regard to this thing here and all this stuff...

Well, there's nothing to say.

You know, really, this is going to make me lose anyway, Bob.

Just present the order.

It's a very interesting story.

And tell them that there's not going to be any comments.

And then the reporter says, that's not how they take the picture.

Can we do that this time?

We have so many coming in.

How about a press booth?

You don't have to say anything.

There's no, you know, okay.

Good.

So they don't have to get in.

Okay.